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Did Favre ever lose 4 in a row?

RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2022 06:37

Did Favre ever lose 4 in a row?

Just in case this was not rhetorical: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... b/2005.htm how could you forget the wonders that were 2005?

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2022 06:58

RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2022 06:37

Did Favre ever lose 4 in a row?

Just in case this was not rhetorical: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... b/2005.htm how could you forget the wonders that were 2005?

Oh ........... the well chronicled "SHERMAN TANKED" season.

TheSkeptic wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2022 06:33

BF004 wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2022 19:00

go pak go wrote: ↑

31 Oct 2022 05:44

Why are people so willingly wanting to give up future assets on a team that has just lost 4 straight?

I would have loved to have one more week.

Beat Detroit, 4-5, just looks better and odds much better. Already all in with Aaron, might as well give it a go.

Lose to Detroit, 3-6, ship has officially sunk. I’d be trying to trade off Amos, Savage, Preston, Dean, Reed, Lazard, Cobb, Tonyan. Maybe even Campbell or Rasul. I’d even listen to offers for Elgton or Aaron Jones, someone goes nuts, ya gotta build for cap space and a 2025 window.

?? I do not understand this. The guys you name are mostly on their last year of their contract. They give no cap space. Who are you going to replace them with? Draft picks? Free agents that are not as good and cost more? UDFA's?

Why don't you name the player who is most overpaid and most underperforming? Aaron Rodgers. Hell, neither Love nor Etling would have led the team to 4 consecutive losses as AR just did. Fixing this team starts with #12, WR will fix itself with the rookies getting experience. Oline will fix itself as guys get healthy. But that will not happen this season. All AR will do from now on is to delay the development of his replacement. Keeping AR will also ruin at least one of the rookie WR's and might just chase MLF out of town.

Do you think our record would be better with Love starting? These past few weeks MLF had AR with a bad thumb on his throwing hand start over a healthy Love. What that tells me is they felt AR, even with that injury, gave us the best chance to win. Could we have traded AR this summer? Sure but we'd be the first team I ever heard of who traded the reigning league MVP.

Pugger wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2022 07:37

These past few weeks MLF had AR with a bad thumb on his throwing hand start over a healthy Love. What that tells me is they felt AR, even with that injury, gave us the best chance to win.

They probably did think that, and correctly, but, ... ever hear of a thing called politics? AR probably gave us the best chance to win in Favre's last year with us, but we were never going to start him over Favre so long as Favre could play.

Even if Love did give us the best chance to win, they would not play him over AR if he's not injured badly enough to need to sit, which he's not. It's politics; until the balance of power changes, this is Rodgers's team.

Pugger wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2022 07:37

TheSkeptic wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2022 06:33

BF004 wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2022 19:00

I would have loved to have one more week.

Beat Detroit, 4-5, just looks better and odds much better. Already all in with Aaron, might as well give it a go.

Lose to Detroit, 3-6, ship has officially sunk. I’d be trying to trade off Amos, Savage, Preston, Dean, Reed, Lazard, Cobb, Tonyan. Maybe even Campbell or Rasul. I’d even listen to offers for Elgton or Aaron Jones, someone goes nuts, ya gotta build for cap space and a 2025 window.

?? I do not understand this. The guys you name are mostly on their last year of their contract. They give no cap space. Who are you going to replace them with? Draft picks? Free agents that are not as good and cost more? UDFA's?

Why don't you name the player who is most overpaid and most underperforming? Aaron Rodgers. Hell, neither Love nor Etling would have led the team to 4 consecutive losses as AR just did. Fixing this team starts with #12, WR will fix itself with the rookies getting experience. Oline will fix itself as guys get healthy. But that will not happen this season. All AR will do from now on is to delay the development of his replacement. Keeping AR will also ruin at least one of the rookie WR's and might just chase MLF out of town.

Do you think our record would be better with Love starting? These past few weeks MLF had AR with a bad thumb on his throwing hand start over a healthy Love. What that tells me is they felt AR, even with that injury, gave us the best chance to win. Could we have traded AR this summer? Sure but we'd be the first team I ever heard of who traded the reigning league MVP.

Honestly?

I don't think our record would be much worse and yes...could even be better because the team is playing a different brand of football. I still think this is a 5 - 7 win type season with Love at the helm, but with the factors, I think the attitude and aura of the team is very different.

Pugger wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2022 07:37

TheSkeptic wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2022 06:33

BF004 wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2022 19:00

I would have loved to have one more week.

Beat Detroit, 4-5, just looks better and odds much better. Already all in with Aaron, might as well give it a go.

Lose to Detroit, 3-6, ship has officially sunk. I’d be trying to trade off Amos, Savage, Preston, Dean, Reed, Lazard, Cobb, Tonyan. Maybe even Campbell or Rasul. I’d even listen to offers for Elgton or Aaron Jones, someone goes nuts, ya gotta build for cap space and a 2025 window.

?? I do not understand this. The guys you name are mostly on their last year of their contract. They give no cap space. Who are you going to replace them with? Draft picks? Free agents that are not as good and cost more? UDFA's?

Why don't you name the player who is most overpaid and most underperforming? Aaron Rodgers. Hell, neither Love nor Etling would have led the team to 4 consecutive losses as AR just did. Fixing this team starts with #12, WR will fix itself with the rookies getting experience. Oline will fix itself as guys get healthy. But that will not happen this season. All AR will do from now on is to delay the development of his replacement. Keeping AR will also ruin at least one of the rookie WR's and might just chase MLF out of town.

Do you think our record would be better with Love starting? These past few weeks MLF had AR with a bad thumb on his throwing hand start over a healthy Love. What that tells me is they felt AR, even with that injury, gave us the best chance to win. Could we have traded AR this summer? Sure but we'd be the first team I ever heard of who traded the reigning league MVP.

Yes, I think that if the Packers had parted ways with Rodgers and kept Z the record would be 4-4 or 5-3. Love would have 8 more full games under his belt and probably 4 wins. The team would have hope for the future as it works its way out of salary cap hell. As for the MVP, it is a popularity contest that has very little to do with on the field performance. It certainly has nothing to do with playoff performance because AR just plain sucked in the last 2 years playoffs.

Yes, as others have said, the situation is politics. Politics, as we are learning, often makes things worse. It is time to move on now, not wait until next season when we look up and the Packers are 1-7 and the HC is not MLF but some loser that was willing to sign onto a 2-15 team in salary cap hell with a washed up QB and a locker room in shambles.

While Love looked a little bit better this year, I still have seen very little to provide any confidence in him winning against regular season defenses. Once this season is definitely gone, I would like to see him play some full regular season games.

williewasgreat wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2022 09:07

While Love looked a little bit better this year, I still have seen very little to provide any confidence in him winning against regular season defenses. Once this season is definitely gone, I would like to see him play some full regular season games.

I mean if we are truly being fair and reasonable, I absolutely agree that Jordan Love hasn't shown anything to instill confidence he can be a winning quarterback in this league.

At the same time, if I am being fair and reasonable, I haven't seen Rodgers show anything since the Browns game on Christmas last year (even that is suspect) to instill confidence he can be a winning quarterback in this league.

go pak go wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2022 09:17

williewasgreat wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2022 09:07

While Love looked a little bit better this year, I still have seen very little to provide any confidence in him winning against regular season defenses. Once this season is definitely gone, I would like to see him play some full regular season games.

I mean if we are truly being fair and reasonable, I absolutely agree that Jordan Love hasn't shown anything to instill confidence he can be a winning quarterback in this league.

At the same time, if I am being fair and reasonable, I haven't seen Rodgers show anything since the Browns game on Christmas last year (even that is suspect) to instill confidence he can be a winning quarterback in this league.

I'd like to hear what some GM's think of your last comment? seriously, maybe we didn't trade him last year because the GM's agree with you, maybe the best way to deal with his massive decline in talent is just to keep him, use him till the dead cap doesn't break the bank and cut him for a 5th round comp pick, or have Rodgers do a fake season ending injury, play Love the rest of the season and hope we can fool some GM to trade for him, and take that 50 mil dead cap hit in this coming off season

just joking of course, give Rodgers some quality receivers and time to build some chemistry with them and he's top 5 in this league

people just are tired of Rodgers, I'am myself, but he's still better then most options and certainly better then Love is now and probably will ever be.

Yoop wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2022 10:04

people just are tired of Rodgers, I'am myself, but he's still better then most options and certainly better then Love is now and probably will ever be.

Irrelevant. The expectations for Rodgers are not equal to those for Love. You don't know how competitive you are going to be with a first-year starter at QB, it can be anything from a losing season to a playoff team. With Rodgers, the expectation is you will be competitive, not play poorly and lose against bottom-of-the-barrel teams like WAS.

At 3-5, it doesn't matter if Rodgers is "better" than Love because he is performing so well below expectations that now you can seriously discuss the possibility that we might honestly not be doing appreciably worse with Love. At 3-5, you may as well have been playing Love all this time.

As I said earlier I can't think of another ream ever trading away their reigning league MVP, let alone one who won it in back to back seasons. I can understand why there are folks like yourself who wanted the Packers to trade Rodgers. I submit had MLF called his plays like he did Sunday starting in week one even with AR starting we wouldn't be 3-5.

Labrev wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2022 10:22

Yoop wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2022 10:04

people just are tired of Rodgers, I'am myself, but he's still better then most options and certainly better then Love is now and probably will ever be.

Irrelevant. The expectations for Rodgers are not equal to those for Love. You don't know how competitive you are going to be with a first-year starter at QB, it can be anything from a losing season to a playoff team. With Rodgers, the expectation is you will be competitive, not play poorly and lose against bottom-of-the-barrel teams like WAS.

At 3-5, it doesn't matter if Rodgers is "better" than Love because he is performing so well below expectations that now you can seriously discuss the possibility that we might honestly not be doing appreciably worse with Love. At 3-5, you may as well have been playing Love all this time.

I doubt your opinion that he is playing well below expectations is shared by many, most realize that what he's had to work with have been, both ol and receivers would make any QB look bad, throw Love in there and I'd bet you whatever you want he would look ten times worse.

Pugger wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2022 10:31

As I said earlier I can't think of another ream ever trading away their reigning league MVP, let alone one who won it in back to back seasons. I can understand why there are folks like yourself who wanted the Packers to trade Rodgers. I submit had MLF called his plays like he did Sunday starting in week one even with AR starting we wouldn't be 3-5.

I have not seen some of the run schemes Matt used Sunday all season

If Love was the starter right now this team would have 1 win at best. Right now we by far and away have the worst group of receivers. On top of that our offensive line is playing terribly. On top of that our defense can’t stop the run.

This offense is so far away from being competitive right now.

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2022 11:26

If Love was the starter right now this team would have 1 win at best. Right now we by far and away have the worst group of receivers. On top of that our offensive line is playing terribly. On top of that our defense can’t stop the run.

This offense is so far away from being competitive right now.

Our defense held Chicago to 10 points
Our defense held Tampa Bay to 12 points
Our defense held New England to 17 points

The Packers could very well have the same amount of wins no matter who is playing at quarterback in those games.

No. I don't see any difference that Rodgers has provided to the 2022 Packers in terms of getting an extra win. The games we won were not offensive production related.

Such disrespect for AR in this thread. It's one thing to say that he isn't living up to his contract. It's something completely bonkers to say that this offense would have fared better or as well with Jordan Love at the helm for any of these games. It's common sense that AR's production would diminish, given the circumstances. Much of the receiving corp is brand new, either to the team or to the league. The offensive line play is as poor as we've seen it in a long time. Rare is the play that AR is able to work with a clean pocket. And I know whenever he does have that luxury, we all expect him to make perfect reads and throw dimes, no exceptions. Or God knows that we'll have to endure some MMQB analyzing a screen shot exclaiming how he messed up. Football doesn't happen in a vacuum. If the line doesn't block and the receivers don't run the right routes, the QB isn't just going to erase that from memory.

I just think this organization has enjoyed great production from young WR's in the past, and maybe our expectations were a bit too high coming into this season. If you really think about it, it makes sense that it might take a half season (maybe even a whole season) for a revamped WR corps to develop chemistry with an incumbent QB. In that sense, what we are experiencing is really not surprising.

Yes AR took that big money. But I think it was going to be rough out of the gate regardless with this WR/OL situation. Most of us could have guessed that before the season started. We still can turn it around. It still is possible. Team just needs more time to gel. I have absolutely no idea why anyone would want Love to be playing right now.

Captain_Ben wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2022 17:03

Such disrespect for AR in this thread. It's one thing to say that he isn't living up to his contract. It's something completely bonkers to say that this offense would have fared better or as well with Jordan Love at the helm for any of these games.

How much lower of a bar do you need?

If you want to live in a land to think it requires a top level QB to score more than 10 points, 12 points, and 17 points that is absolutely bonkers. Our top level RB can score that alone. I am very confident any team with Aaron Jones as the RB can score more than 10 points and 12 points in the two games we needed it.

My statement was I think the Packers have about as many wins this season at this point with Love at Quarterback than they currently do.

That isn't a disrespectful statement at all. That is a truth statement. Even bad offenses are expected to win when the defense holds the opponent to 10 points, 12 points and 17 points. Like Taylor Heineke and his offense or Zach Wilson and his offense are putting up that kind of production.

I very much expect the Packers to have at least 2 wins this season if Love was our QB. The only real counter to my thought process is to say, "well Love would have more turnovers" for the exception that Rodgers already has multiple fumbles, 4 interceptions and nearly 2 pick 6's.

Like okay. The offense is bad. I agree with that. But it wouldn't be that much more bad if Love was the quarterback because you honestly can't get that much more bad.

The Packers offense is averaging less than 16 points per game. Even if a Love-led team is averaging 14 points per game (which this forum would be exploding and calling the pick a bust BTW)...we are likely in the same position at this point in the wins/loss column.

go pak go wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2022 16:16

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2022 11:26

If Love was the starter right now this team would have 1 win at best. Right now we by far and away have the worst group of receivers. On top of that our offensive line is playing terribly. On top of that our defense can’t stop the run.

This offense is so far away from being competitive right now.

Our defense held Chicago to 10 points
Our defense held Tampa Bay to 12 points
Our defense held New England to 17 points

The Packers could very well have the same amount of wins no matter who is playing at quarterback in those games.

No. I don't see any difference that Rodgers has provided to the 2022 Packers in terms of getting an extra win. The games we won were not offensive production related.

With the talent on the Bills, you could say that our D “held” them to 27 too. That’s a really good squad there.

Scott4Pack wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2022 19:11

go pak go wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2022 16:16

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2022 11:26

If Love was the starter right now this team would have 1 win at best. Right now we by far and away have the worst group of receivers. On top of that our offensive line is playing terribly. On top of that our defense can’t stop the run.

This offense is so far away from being competitive right now.

Our defense held Chicago to 10 points
Our defense held Tampa Bay to 12 points
Our defense held New England to 17 points

The Packers could very well have the same amount of wins no matter who is playing at quarterback in those games.

No. I don't see any difference that Rodgers has provided to the 2022 Packers in terms of getting an extra win. The games we won were not offensive production related.

With the talent on the Bills, you could say that our D “held” them to 27 too. That’s a really good squad there.

But irrelevant in my point that I think this team has the same amount of wins with Love as the QB.

Love isn't beating the Bills or any team that puts up more than 24 points.