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I have to say, if they think the OC of the team wouldn't be on the card, they are idiots.RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑01 Apr 2025 11:32The Giants 1956 Team card features Vince Lombardi. This is not well known amongst Packers card collectors. He's in the 2nd row far left. Packers great Emlen Tunnell is on the card as well.
Jesus NO!. The smartest thing they could do is not even think about bringing him in. I'd rather see Case Keenum back in purple than Rodgers.Yoop wrote: ↑04 Apr 2025 11:26could be, but the smartest thing Minny could do IMHO is hire Rodgers to start this season if he'll take a one-year deal, actually I think that's what's holding Minny back, possibly issues going to Pitt as well, Rodgers I expect wants a two year deal.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 09:57I absolutely believe the report.
Father time is undefeated. All the 41+ year old QBs with 300+ attempts in a season:
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Minnesota has doubled down on JJ Mccarthy being their starter. I don't think they have any interest in Rodgers as their starting QB. They would have to do some interesting cap gymnastics to sign Rodgers and there is just no way they sign him to a 2 year deal.
Case wasn't why they won that year. A lot of people don't understand that. Granted, he didn't play poorly, but he wasn't the reason they won. 15,75 ppg on defense is why they won. There is one team that has done better on defense since that year. The 2019 Patriots were at 14.06 ppg on defense. But alas, I'm talking out my butt again about how defense wins. The point being, you don't need a Brady or Mahomes to win if you have a good defense. It helps for sure. But it's not required. Case is proof of that. FWIW, Cousins had a better year every year in MN than Case did. What he didn't have was a better or as good defense.musclestang wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 05:37hey, I agree 100%. I was very much hoping they'd cave and sign Keenum to a big contract to keep him. Didn't get my wish though
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Oh brother, this again?
And the 85 Bears. And the 2000 Ravens.......................Labrev wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 10:08Oh brother, this again?
"To win," what, regular-season games? Sure, you can win a lot of those with middling QBs if the defense is elite.
To win championships? No, you can't win that way, not often enough for anyone to rationally consider it a viable model.
There is a reason the Case Keenums of the world virtually never hoist the Lombardi trophy. That Ravens team led by Dilfer was an outlier, pretty much the only example of it happening in the modern era. Apart from that 1 anomaly, it has been full-scale dominance by elite QBs (hilariously, specifically the two you say aren't needed: Mahomes and Brady).
So you came up with 2 examples, one which I already mentioned that took place 25 years ago, the other took place 40 years ago (and the game was very different than the present, much more O-friendly era).Raptorman wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 10:32And the 85 Bears. And the 2000 Ravens.......................Labrev wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 10:08Oh brother, this again?
"To win," what, regular-season games? Sure, you can win a lot of those with middling QBs if the defense is elite.
To win championships? No, you can't win that way, not often enough for anyone to rationally consider it a viable model.
There is a reason the Case Keenums of the world virtually never hoist the Lombardi trophy. That Ravens team led by Dilfer was an outlier, pretty much the only example of it happening in the modern era. Apart from that 1 anomaly, it has been full-scale dominance by elite QBs (hilariously, specifically the two you say aren't needed: Mahomes and Brady).
Vince had 3 vintage cards. 1956, 1964 and 1965. Bud Grant had none.Raptorman wrote: ↑10 Apr 2025 21:42I have to say, if they think the OC of the team wouldn't be on the card, they are idiots.RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑01 Apr 2025 11:32The Giants 1956 Team card features Vince Lombardi. This is not well known amongst Packers card collectors. He's in the 2nd row far left. Packers great Emlen Tunnell is on the card as well.
Bud had a NBA Championship ring with the Lakers.RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 22:44Vince had 3 vintage cards. 1956, 1964 and 1965. Bud Grant had none.Raptorman wrote: ↑10 Apr 2025 21:42I have to say, if they think the OC of the team wouldn't be on the card, they are idiots.RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑01 Apr 2025 11:32The Giants 1956 Team card features Vince Lombardi. This is not well known amongst Packers card collectors. He's in the 2nd row far left. Packers great Emlen Tunnell is on the card as well.
Raptorman wrote: ↑12 Apr 2025 17:36Bud had a NBA Championship ring with the Lakers.RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 22:44Vince had 3 vintage cards. 1956, 1964 and 1965. Bud Grant had none.
Vince was probably the best coach ever. At least in my book. Even better than anyone today. Who else has the number of championships in the number of years he did? No one.RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑12 Apr 2025 19:01Raptorman wrote: ↑12 Apr 2025 17:36Bud had a NBA Championship ring with the Lakers.RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 22:44
Vince had 3 vintage cards. 1956, 1964 and 1965. Bud Grant had none.
Would never argue against Vince as the GOAT, but remember that the game was a whole lot different then. Much like college sports now with NIL and the portal as opposed to the way things used to be. Both were much easier, or at least simpler, to manage in the past.Raptorman wrote: ↑12 Apr 2025 21:01Vince was probably the best coach ever. At least in my book. Even better than anyone today. Who else has the number of championships in the number of years he did? No one.
Wait until June 1st and swap Ramsey for Jaire straight up? haha
Based on what I've read from this short exchange, I agree with you. Curious, though. Would you consider 2007/2011 NYG to qualify?Labrev wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 10:52So you came up with 2 examples, one which I already mentioned that took place 25 years ago, the other took place 40 years ago (and the game was very different than the present, much more O-friendly era).Raptorman wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 10:32And the 85 Bears. And the 2000 Ravens.......................Labrev wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 10:08
Oh brother, this again?
"To win," what, regular-season games? Sure, you can win a lot of those with middling QBs if the defense is elite.
To win championships? No, you can't win that way, not often enough for anyone to rationally consider it a viable model.
There is a reason the Case Keenums of the world virtually never hoist the Lombardi trophy. That Ravens team led by Dilfer was an outlier, pretty much the only example of it happening in the modern era. Apart from that 1 anomaly, it has been full-scale dominance by elite QBs (hilariously, specifically the two you say aren't needed: Mahomes and Brady).
Even if I gave you that Bears team, you think the smart thing to do is go with the thing that has succeeded a whopping 2 times out of 40?
Tom Landry coached on that team too. And yes, he's also on the card.Raptorman wrote: ↑10 Apr 2025 21:42I have to say, if they think the OC of the team wouldn't be on the card, they are idiots.RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑01 Apr 2025 11:32The Giants 1956 Team card features Vince Lombardi. This is not well known amongst Packers card collectors. He's in the 2nd row far left. Packers great Emlen Tunnell is on the card as well.
My reply was to the claim that you can win Superbowls with Case Keenum quality as QB1. No, you can't. That happened like two times (Keenum notably not being one of the two). And no, Eli Manning may not have been an elite QB, but he was FAR better than Case Keenum.Papa John wrote: ↑22 Apr 2025 18:09Based on what I've read from this short exchange, I agree with you. Curious, though. Would you consider 2007/2011 NYG to qualify?Labrev wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 10:52So you came up with 2 examples, one which I already mentioned that took place 25 years ago, the other took place 40 years ago (and the game was very different than the present, much more O-friendly era).
Even if I gave you that Bears team, you think the smart thing to do is go with the thing that has succeeded a whopping 2 times out of 40?
Correct. And I’d go so far as to say Eli Manning is an all time elite postseason QB. Without seeing the stats.Labrev wrote: ↑22 Apr 2025 19:29My reply was to the claim that you can win Superbowls with Case Keenum quality as QB1. No, you can't. That happened like two times (Keenum notably not being one of the two). And no, Eli Manning may not have been an elite QB, but he was FAR better than Case Keenum.Papa John wrote: ↑22 Apr 2025 18:09Based on what I've read from this short exchange, I agree with you. Curious, though. Would you consider 2007/2011 NYG to qualify?Labrev wrote: ↑11 Apr 2025 10:52
So you came up with 2 examples, one which I already mentioned that took place 25 years ago, the other took place 40 years ago (and the game was very different than the present, much more O-friendly era).
Even if I gave you that Bears team, you think the smart thing to do is go with the thing that has succeeded a whopping 2 times out of 40?