Packers Huddle

BF004 wrote: ↑

21 Dec 2020 14:59

So just a couple little notes for those 'this isn't a good enough win' folks.

Panthers only lost by more than 8 twice this year, both to Tampa Bay and they do already have a shutout on the year. This is their 3rd biggest loss of the year.



Also, out of the current NFC Playoff caliber teams

1) Packers - won by 8 over 4-9 Panthers
2) Saints - lost at home to Chiefs
3) Seahawks - won by 5 over 6-7 Football Team
4) Football Team - lost by 5
5) Rams - lost by 3 to 0-13 Jets
6) Buccaneers - won by 4 over 4-9 Falcons, taking a huge comback
7) Cardinals - won by 7 over 4-8-1 Eagles
8) Bears - won 6 over the 6-7 Vikings


Biggest win margin of any team. This team certainly is good enough to play in the Super Bowl.


Few more notes to combat the auto-replies, yes we have warts of our own, we are far from perfect, but clearly so does every other team. Saying we are good enough does mean we should expect to be in the Super Bowl, we still have to win two games, even if you give us a 60% chance to win both games given we have the bye. That is still only a 36% chance of making the Super Bowl, still a decent chance we aren't the #1 seed, meaning 3 games, maybe 15-20% chance tops. It is just being realistic that we can definitely be good enough to get there, yet is isn't the most likely outcome.


538 now has us at 79% chance of getting the 1st round bye and 13% chance of winning the Super Bowl.

3rd & 2 at GB 23
(9:58 - 3rd) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers sacked at GB 14 for -9 yards (D.Brown).

BF004 wrote: ↑

21 Dec 2020 13:11

Bill White Shoes Bootstrap Turner came to play.

LaFleur used jet motion on just three snaps, a season-low, and Tavon Austin (four) was the jet man twice.

Lucas Patrick practiced on a limited basis all week with a lingering toe injury that caused him to exit Game 11 early. Patrick isn’t limping as he did against the Bears on Nov. 29, but his pass blocking has slipped of late. Patrick allowed 4 1/2 of the 8 1/2 pressures charged to the line. Panthers rookie DT Derrick Brown, the seventh player drafted in April, was having a disappointing season as a pass rusher with no sacks. Able to gain an edge against Patrick, Brown beat him up the field for a sack in 3.0 seconds and then on a power rush in 3.3 for a half-sack. DE Efe Obada beat Patrick off his left side for another full sack in 3.0. Four of the pressures were credited to Brian Burns. The Packers selected Rashan Gary at No. 12 in 2019 before Burns went No. 16 to the Panthers. Burns is undersized playing defensive end in a 4-3. His blazing speed would fit better at outside linebacker in the Packers’ 3-4. Burns collected one clean-up sack after Brown beat Billy Turner, registered a full sack on a naked bootleg late in the game and beat David Bakhtiari to set up Obada’s sack. Bakhtiari was charged with a half-sack when Burns beat him outside. Burns, who seems to have considerable strength to go with the speed, was one of the few rushers all year to give Bakhtiari trouble. The leading pass blockers were Elgton Jenkins (no pressures) and Rick Wagner (one-half). Although the pass blocking was suspect, the run blocking was terrific. Just one of the 22 carries by the running backs failed to gain at least two yards. That’s remarkable. The combination blocks were heavy and well-timed. LaFleur opened up the playbook, using Turner as a pulling guard on five runs. He hadn’t pulled a lineman in the last two games. With Turner moving from right to left, the five carries gained 27 yards. Turner’s seal block on DT Bravvion Roy got Aaron Jones started on his early jaunt for 46 yards.

Aaron Rodgers has had a wonderful go of it in 2020. Given what turned out to be a most benign schedule, he has seen few heavy pass rushes and not many high-caliber defensive backfields. He has been available to take every snap, his synergy with LaFleur appears good and his mood during weekly interviews has seemed upbeat. Three possessions, three lengthy touchdown drives to start Saturday night represented more of the same. Then came the last seven possessions, six of which ended in punts and one with a long field goal. Rodgers didn’t look pleased. Sacked merely 13 times in the first 13 games, Rodgers had to absorb five sacks from the Panthers. For someone not used to getting knocked around this season, it wasn’t ideal. His teammates dropped four passes. He certainly didn’t appreciate some missed assignments, either, especially in light of the fact LaFleur said during the week that MAs had been in steady decline. Phil Snow, a first-time NFL coordinator after 35 years of coaching in college, puzzled the Packers with unconventional fronts and coverages. Rodgers held the ball at times against the Panthers’ heretofore docile (28th-ranked) pass rush, and 1 1/2 of the sacks were placed on him. With Adams often double-covered, Rodgers went overboard trying to get him untracked. There were too many occasions when he let the run go in favor of flips to the perimeter. The Panthers caught on after a while, and began tattooing Adams in his tracks. Jones averaged 7.3 yards per carry, but Rodgers and LaFleur had other ideas in the second half and emphasized the pass. Rodgers ran effectively, especially a TD on third down from the 6-yard line. The fact his longest completion was 22 yards against a team that gave up 280 yards and four TD passes to Denver’s Drew Lock in the previous game might have affected his MVP hopes. Rodgers couldn’t even generate one first down in the final two minutes to close out Carolina.

Defensive line (4)
Kenny Clark is the absolute anchor of the Packers’ run defense. He has put the groin injury behind him and is playing as well if not better than ever before. Undersized C Matt Paradis, the ex-Bronco, gave it his all against Clark but kept getting outmuscled. Some nose men can hold the fort against double teams but can’t find the ball. What makes Clark special is the ability to stuff blockers and make the tackle. Amos got credit for a sack by tackling Teddy Bridgewater for no gain but it was Clark’s pressure against Paradis that made Bridgewater flee the pocket. He had another hurry on a stunt involving Paradis. Clark’s effort in long pursuit must be used as an example in the D-line room. He’s also recognizing screen passes better than in the past. Clark played 50 of the 69 possible snaps on defense compared to 44 for Dean Lowry, 24 for Kingsley Keke, 21 for Tyler Lancaster and one for Anthony Rush. Lowry has been affecting the passer in the past month or so like he was in 2018. He can move a guard back with one arm and is becoming more of a threat using his hands to win on an edge. He batted down another pass, too. With Lowry playing well and Lancaster serving as a reliable fire hydrant, the coaches don’t need to wear out Keke playing run downs. The best part of his game always has been rushing the passer, anyway, and playing just 24 snaps kept him fresh. RG John Miller, a former Bill and Bengal, is in his sixth season as a starter. Of Keke’s three pressures against Miller, one precipitated a holding penalty that wiped out a Panthers TD. On the other hand, Keke rushed seven yards deep in the pocket giving Bridgewater too-easy entrance downfield for a 13-yard TD scramble. With the Packers sucking air on a 16-play drive, the coaches waved in Rush for his first snap as a Packer.

Linebackers (4)
Rhule scolded Bridgewater for his game-changing fumble, saying leaping on sneaks is acceptable on fourth down but never on first down. Still, Bridgewater might have scored from the half-yard line if not for Za’Darius Smith (60 snaps) and Barnes (31). Smith, who played with his left thumb in a cast, was standing up over guard in a strange goal-line look brought about by the Packers’ inability to substitute. Timing the snap, he leaped first and crashed into Bridgewater’s hip, limiting his explosion upward. Then Barnes jumped at Bridgewater from the front, knocking the ball straight back and out of his grasp. It might be the Packers’ red-letter defensive play of the season. There was more on which to commend Barnes. He wrecked an end-around with a read no doubt stemming from intensive classroom study, and tackled a screen for minus-6 by beating Paradis to the spot. Barnes’ night ended early with an eye injury that LaFleur said on Sunday wasn’t a concern. Christian Kirksey (49) picked up the lion’s share of Barnes’ snaps and played a little bit better than he has been. He eluded some linemen and made a few tackles after short gains. In coverage, he didn’t react well to a tight-end crosser and failed to wrap up WR D.J. Moore on a 9-yard in-breaking route that ruptured into 40. When Bridgewater broke the pocket on his 13-yard TD run, there was only RB Rodney Smith between Kirksey and the quarterback. Take a shot. Trash Smith. Make Bridgewater change course and maybe the cavalry will show up. Kirksey did little more than bump the quarterback as he was crossing the goal line. Kamal Martin (22) has to calm down. It’s like he’s chasing ghosts. On two occasions he made hits for no gain. Other times, he took himself out of plays or wound up on the ground. Za’Darius Smith, Preston Smith (52) and Gary (35) each settled for just two pressures even though LT Russell Okung (calf) didn’t play and replacement Trent Scott was vulnerable. Every now and then Za’Darius notches a sack or makes a play against the run. On his sack Saturday, he was getting close to a delay-of-game penalty as he crawled on his belly. Why? Another of Za’Darius’ senseless plays was his decision to jump the count as the play clock wound down to zero. Just 24 seconds remained. The game remained at hand. Stunts like that will get you beat. Preston Smith beat RT Taylor Moton, probably the Panthers’ best blocker, up the field for a sack in 3.2 seconds. Gary rushed adequately but also yielded a 10-yard scramble to Bridgewater with poor rush awareness. Randy Ramsey (4) stayed home on an end-around pass.

Defensive backs (3)
Amos’ role has become even more prominent with the loss of Raven Greene, a player the Packers regarded as vitally important. It might have been his best game in Green Bay. He broke up three passes, including one in the end-zone corner. He tackled Moore in the flat for a 2-yard gain. He brought down Bridgewater for a sack by not falling for his jukes. He stripped Mike Davis, but the running back was ruled down. When Davis burst toward the goal line, it was Amos (69 snaps) who attacked and brought him down at the 1 after a 12-yard gain. Without that tackle, Bridgewater’s fumble on the next play never happens. The only negative was Amos’ inability to break up the 37-yard sideline take-off to Moore. Darnell Savage (69) has been more free-wheeling and effective now that the coaches have reduced his number of more difficult coverage assignments. He’s free now to play the passer’s eyes and accelerate into contact. Will Redmond (22) and Vernon Scott (10) contributed as well because Mike Pettine believes in playing most of his people. Bridgewater obviously targeted Kevin King (69), and King’s struggles continued. On the bomb to Moore, King opened his hips early and lost separation, only to recover at the ball but fail to dislodge it. He gave up a 20-yard corner route and drew a holding penalty on third-and-9. Last week, King lowered his helmet and missed some tackles. This week, he lowered his helmet and was penalized 15 yards. He also missed two tackles. King did show great reactions with his scoop-and-return of 48 yards at the goal line. Jaire Alexander (69) had more business than usual. He broke up a third-down pass and didn’t fall for a double move into the end zone by Robby Anderson. A player with better ball skills might have intercepted Bridgewater’s errant pass. The only other time Alexander blitzed all season was the opener, and the result was a safety. That was three months ago against Minnesota. This time, Alexander decided to try it again, but when the Panthers had a bootleg on, Bridgewater lobbed the ball to Moore over Alexander’s head for 18 ridiculously easy yards. Chandon Sullivan got beat twice inside by Curtis Samuel for 29 yards. He retaliated by smelling out an end-around, breaking up a pass, forcing a fumble that he lost to penalty and intercepting a pass that he lost to penalty. Josh Jackson wasn’t on the injury report but for the first time this season was a healthy scratch. Instead, Ka’dar Hollman was in uniform.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

21 Dec 2020 15:51

Huh?

BF004 wrote: ↑

23 Dec 2020 07:28

Damn

Haven’t seen eyes like this on a Packer lb... ever

kyle.mccarroll wrote: ↑

23 Dec 2020 08:23

Wow, Barnes looks legit. Can you even imagine how good Kirksey must look in practice?!

NCF wrote: ↑

23 Dec 2020 09:12

BF004 wrote: ↑

23 Dec 2020 07:28

Damn

Haven’t seen eyes like this on a Packer lb... ever

I wanted to start a thread on this, but was waiting for more evidence to mount. While Martin still looks lost at times, he has made plays in the backfield (or near plays in the backfield) several weeks in a row. I can live with some mistakes if the guy is going to be instinctive, shoot through the trash, and go for a play like that. That was the worst thing I could say about Blake Martinez. Maybe he was steady, but he wasn't going to make those kinds of plays for you. With offensive efficiency what it is this year, you need those negative plays more than ever before. All of a sudden, it is starting to look a little more like we have two guys capable of it. I get there is going to be a time and place for Kirksey, yet, but I really wish they would just ride and die with these young guns.

go pak go wrote: ↑

23 Dec 2020 15:24

Ooof. I wouldn't call the Krys Barnes PFF grade a compliment.

BF004 wrote: ↑

23 Dec 2020 15:54

Yeah, either could be something, either could be not much. Both already showing availability issues.

I'm all for adding more talent there in any round.



Similar to that WR talk last year, or maybe two years ago, Yoho would only want a stud WR who would be significantly better than our young potential, I say then and now, screw, make yourself make some hard cuts, best way to have quality depth. If you see a good player, add them.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

23 Dec 2020 16:07

BF004 wrote: ↑

23 Dec 2020 15:54

Yeah, either could be something, either could be not much. Both already showing availability issues.

I'm all for adding more talent there in any round.



Similar to that WR talk last year, or maybe two years ago, Yoho would only want a stud WR who would be significantly better than our young potential, I say then and now, screw, make yourself make some hard cuts, best way to have quality depth. If you see a good player, add them.

I'm sticking to it! Maybe the best way to make your team better is not only through camp and practice competition, but through continuity and internal growth, which is how we improved from 2019 to 2020