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Re: Rodgers wants out
Posted: 14 Jan 2022 15:47
by salmar80
What would REALLY blow peoples' fuses is if AR were to force a trade elsewhere, and THEN he would take a hometown discount to max the cap space for his new team... Since the Packers would eat a lot of dead cap, AR could have CRAZY low cap numbers on the new team...
But YoHo is right, don't think AR is changing his stripes. I think AR views being paid his market worth as the right thing to do. That QBs should push the contracts as high as they go, since that's paving way for bigger contracts for others. Certainly he hasn't hinted that the expectation should be to take discounted deals or be labeled as selfish.
Re: Rodgers wants out
Posted: 14 Jan 2022 15:54
by TheSkeptic
go pak go wrote: ↑14 Jan 2022 15:46
bud fox wrote: ↑14 Jan 2022 15:26
@YoHoChecko
Would you say it is unfair to expect Rodgers to take less money than he is worth? Given the fact this expectation is not on any other packer player or employee.
I believe that is his and many other's primary point.
It is completely reasonable if Rodgers wants to be paid what he is worth. He has always shown in the past that is what he values and I see no reason for that to not continue. And he is worth that and would deserve that.
But there is also a cost to that.
No, there is no cost to that, if he goes to the Broncos or 3 or 4 other teams. He gets a raise, he gets to take Adams and others with him and he gets to be on a team that will be a legitimate playoff team at a minimum. He gets a legitimate shot at another SB next year.
Re: Rodgers wants out
Posted: 14 Jan 2022 16:04
by YoHoChecko
bud fox wrote: ↑14 Jan 2022 15:26
@YoHoChecko
Would you say it is unfair to expect Rodgers to take less money than he is worth? Given the fact this expectation is not on any other packer player or employee.
Unfair? Not really. I don't love the word fair. It means too many different things to too many different people.
But, like, is it reasonable for him to be expected to be payed what he's worth? Absolutely! This is not insulting him. This is just saying that we will either pay him what he wants and make the appropriate roster cuts; or he will go somewhere else.
It's perfectly within his right to get financially compensated as the best player in the league while being widely recognized as such.
If he wants to win 7 Super Bowls like Tom Brady, he should take less money like Tom Brady has for nearly his entire career (only one top of market contract out of around 5 contracts). But that is not at issue here.
If I didn't think that it was on some level unreasonable to ask it of him, I would not be so steadfast that he would not accept it.
Re: Rodgers wants out
Posted: 14 Jan 2022 16:04
by TheSkeptic
salmar80 wrote: ↑14 Jan 2022 15:47
What would REALLY blow peoples' fuses is if AR were to force a trade elsewhere, and THEN he would take a hometown discount to max the cap space for his new team... Since the Packers would eat a lot of dead cap, AR could have CRAZY low cap numbers on the new team...
But YoHo is right, don't think AR is changing his stripes. I think AR views being paid his market worth as the right thing to do. That QBs should push the contracts as high as they go, since that's paving way for bigger contracts for others. Certainly he hasn't hinted that the expectation should be to take discounted deals or be labeled as selfish.
Yeah, that is a really good point. If Denver could pay Rodgers only around 10 mil they could really do damage in the FA market. Adams would be just the beginning.
Re: Rodgers wants out
Posted: 14 Jan 2022 19:17
by bud fox
TheSkeptic wrote: ↑14 Jan 2022 16:04
salmar80 wrote: ↑14 Jan 2022 15:47
What would REALLY blow peoples' fuses is if AR were to force a trade elsewhere, and THEN he would take a hometown discount to max the cap space for his new team... Since the Packers would eat a lot of dead cap, AR could have CRAZY low cap numbers on the new team...
But YoHo is right, don't think AR is changing his stripes. I think AR views being paid his market worth as the right thing to do. That QBs should push the contracts as high as they go, since that's paving way for bigger contracts for others. Certainly he hasn't hinted that the expectation should be to take discounted deals or be labeled as selfish.
Yeah, that is a really good point. If Denver could pay Rodgers only around 10 mil they could really do damage in the FA market. Adams would be just the beginning.
He will get closer to 50m than 10m.
Re: Rodgers wants out
Posted: 15 Jan 2022 13:32
by German_Panzer
YoHoChecko wrote: ↑14 Jan 2022 14:04
This entire thread is full of evidence that Rodgers will not accept less money than the best money, primarily that he has not done so since 2008 despite having an opportunity to reduce his salary or give money back in every year of his career, but also I have included ample statements in which he discussed his priorities and pointed out what has been missing from those statements. I have also drawn the connection between what Rodgers is looking for in his own words and the perception of what money means in this league, which has been plainly articulated by Davante Adams and others
My scenario is this: #12 knows he won’t reach Brady, he also knows that any half-way good QB travels to some loaded team in his twilight years, he also is more interested in his legacy as in anything else, he wants to be remembered, he wants to be special and therefore he decides his legacy to be to have done it all in GB like Starr did, trying to win 3-4 titles for titletown, so he goes to Gute and extends for 50% of what he could get.
This is literally what I would do if I was AR. Who cares about money, at this point it is about leaving behind footsteps in NFL history. It is also the only scenario that I find realistic. I mean Gute or Murphy are not his close buddies neither MLF and his wife does not come from GB or he is not a Wisc. boy like Watt. He also does not care particularly about us fans, there are just no bonds.
Re: Rodgers wants out
Posted: 15 Jan 2022 13:39
by Pckfn23
The shenanigans last summer kind of points to him not being too worried about his Packer legacy.
Re: Rodgers wants out
Posted: 15 Jan 2022 14:06
by German_Panzer
Pckfn23 wrote: ↑15 Jan 2022 13:39
The shenanigans last summer kind of points to him not being too worried about his Packer legacy.
He was hurt in his pride and that was the reason he reacted so sharply. But what was his pride? Could have been just his ego or could have been he saw his dream vanish to become a Packer legend? Again, if he does not feel sentimental to us he will be gone, that is the only thing that could make him stay and give a serious discount…and I know it is borderline insane to assume it in a professional league in the motherland of capitalism…but then P.Tillman always makes me hope that honor might find a way thru at least once in a while.
Re: Rodgers wants out
Posted: 15 Jan 2022 14:21
by Pckfn23
That would be a pretty big 180 in a very short time.
Although a Super Bowl win could change everything.
Re: Rodgers wants out
Posted: 15 Jan 2022 15:05
by bud fox
German_Panzer wrote: ↑15 Jan 2022 14:06
Pckfn23 wrote: ↑15 Jan 2022 13:39
The shenanigans last summer kind of points to him not being too worried about his Packer legacy.
He was hurt in his pride and that was the reason he reacted so sharply. But what was his pride? Could have been just his ego or could have been he saw his dream vanish to become a Packer legend? Again, if he does not feel sentimental to us he will be gone, that is the only thing that could make him stay and give a serious discount…and I know it is borderline insane to assume it in a professional league in the motherland of capitalism…but then P.Tillman always makes me hope that honor might find a way thru at least once in a while.
Did Tillman ask for a pay cut? Or do you mean joining the army?
Is basically everyone in the world not honourable because they don't go ask there employer for a pay cut?
Re: Rodgers wants out
Posted: 15 Jan 2022 16:48
by TheSkeptic
Lets assume the Packers win the SB this year. Rodgers' legacy is then in good shape. Well, maybe.....
Unless... Yes unless he stays in GB. Then he will be exposed as what he is, an aging QB that depended on Adams and years of experience with Adams that makes him look a lot better than what he is. Yoop is right, without Adams, the WR corp is not very good. There simply is no way that the Packers can pay Rodgers what he wants and keep Adams and Tonyan. So he gets to hand off to Jones and Dillon and if the Packers wind up in 3rd and long he has no one that can reliably get open. The best that can be hoped for in the 2022 season is winning the division and getting bounced by a wild card game. More likely the Vikings win the division and the Packers miss the playoffs. And then Rodgers has lost his legacy, especially if Adams excels with his new team. Especially if Tonyan also looks good. Rodgers would have to be a damn fool to stay in GB.
So what should Rodgers do if he wants to guarantee his legacy? That is easy, go to Denver, get Denver to sign Adams and Tonyan and win a third SB and maybe go to a 4th. He will earn more money by doing this and he will go down as perhaps the 2nd GOAT.
Oh, and as far as GB is concerned, they get to keep their D intact, they have their future QB, they have Denver's 1st and 2nd pick and the dynasty continues.
Re: Rodgers wants out
Posted: 15 Jan 2022 16:54
by Drj820
TheSkeptic wrote: ↑15 Jan 2022 16:48
Unless... Yes unless he stays in GB. Then he will be exposed as what he is, an aging QB that depended on Adams and years of experience with Adams that makes him look a lot better than what he is.
yikes
Re: Rodgers wants out
Posted: 15 Jan 2022 16:59
by Yoop
Drj820 wrote: ↑15 Jan 2022 16:54
TheSkeptic wrote: ↑15 Jan 2022 16:48
Unless... Yes unless he stays in GB. Then he will be exposed as what he is, an aging QB that depended on Adams and years of experience with Adams that makes him look a lot better than what he is.
yikes
He's desperate
Re: Rodgers wants out
Posted: 15 Jan 2022 17:05
by BF004
You keep bringing up Tonyan too.
He isn’t that good.
The fact you think Tonyan is a top TE and Aaron Jones is the best receiving back in the league and Aaron Rodgers is overrated is enough to end the conversation.
Just don’t respect your opinion enough to carry on any further.
Re: Rodgers wants out
Posted: 15 Jan 2022 17:16
by RingoCStarrQB
TheSkeptic wrote: ↑15 Jan 2022 16:48
Lets assume the Packers win the SB this year. Rodgers' legacy is then in good shape. Well, maybe.....
Unless... Yes unless he stays in GB. Then he will be exposed as what he is, an aging QB that depended on Adams and years of experience with Adams that makes him look a lot better than what he is. Yoop is right, without Adams, the WR corp is not very good. There simply is no way that the Packers can pay Rodgers what he wants and keep Adams and Tonyan. So he gets to hand off to Jones and Dillon and if the Packers wind up in 3rd and long he has no one that can reliably get open. The best that can be hoped for in the 2022 season is winning the division and getting bounced by a wild card game. More likely the Vikings win the division and the Packers miss the playoffs. And then Rodgers has lost his legacy, especially if Adams excels with his new team. Especially if Tonyan also looks good. Rodgers would have to be a damn fool to stay in GB.
So what should Rodgers do if he wants to guarantee his legacy? That is easy, go to Denver, get Denver to sign Adams and Tonyan and win a third SB and maybe go to a 4th. He will earn more money by doing this and he will go down as perhaps the 2nd GOAT.
Oh, and as far as GB is concerned, they get to keep their D intact, they have their future QB, they have Denver's 1st and 2nd pick and the dynasty continues.
Re: Rodgers wants out
Posted: 15 Jan 2022 17:17
by bud fox
TheSkeptic wrote: ↑15 Jan 2022 16:48
Lets assume the Packers win the SB this year. Rodgers' legacy is then in good shape. Well, maybe.....
Unless... Yes unless he stays in GB. Then he will be exposed as what he is, an aging QB that depended on Adams and years of experience with Adams that makes him look a lot better than what he is. Yoop is right, without Adams, the WR corp is not very good. There simply is no way that the Packers can pay Rodgers what he wants and keep Adams and Tonyan. So he gets to hand off to Jones and Dillon and if the Packers wind up in 3rd and long he has no one that can reliably get open. The best that can be hoped for in the 2022 season is winning the division and getting bounced by a wild card game. More likely the Vikings win the division and the Packers miss the playoffs. And then Rodgers has lost his legacy, especially if Adams excels with his new team. Especially if Tonyan also looks good. Rodgers would have to be a damn fool to stay in GB.
So what should Rodgers do if he wants to guarantee his legacy? That is easy, go to Denver, get Denver to sign Adams and Tonyan and win a third SB and maybe go to a 4th. He will earn more money by doing this and he will go down as perhaps the 2nd GOAT.
Oh, and as far as GB is concerned, they get to keep their D intact, they have their future QB, they have Denver's 1st and 2nd pick and the dynasty continues.
This type of take makes me think you don't watch the games or don't understand the game.
I don't to want to be mean but it is incredible.
Rodgers won superbowl, superbowl mvp, mvp and had the highest ever pass rating before Adams, Tonyan and Jones were on the team.
Re: Rodgers wants out
Posted: 15 Jan 2022 17:19
by Drj820
TheSkeptic wrote: ↑15 Jan 2022 16:48
Lets assume the Packers win the SB this year. Rodgers' legacy is then in good shape. Well, maybe.....
Unless... Yes unless he stays in GB. Then he will be exposed as what he is, an aging QB that depended on Adams and years of experience with Adams that makes him look a lot better than what he is. Yoop is right, without Adams, the WR corp is not very good. There simply is no way that the Packers can pay Rodgers what he wants and keep Adams and Tonyan. So he gets to hand off to Jones and Dillon and if the Packers wind up in 3rd and long he has no one that can reliably get open. The best that can be hoped for in the 2022 season is winning the division and getting bounced by a wild card game. More likely the Vikings win the division and the Packers miss the playoffs. And then Rodgers has lost his legacy, especially if Adams excels with his new team. Especially if Tonyan also looks good. Rodgers would have to be a damn fool to stay in GB.
So what should Rodgers do if he wants to guarantee his legacy? That is easy, go to Denver, get Denver to sign Adams and Tonyan and win a third SB and maybe go to a 4th. He will earn more money by doing this and he will go down as perhaps the 2nd GOAT.
Oh, and as far as GB is concerned, they get to keep their D intact, they have their future QB, they have Denver's 1st and 2nd pick and the dynasty continues.
Is this Jordan Loves agent burner account?
Re: Rodgers wants out
Posted: 15 Jan 2022 17:20
by wallyuwl
bud fox wrote: ↑15 Jan 2022 17:17
TheSkeptic wrote: ↑15 Jan 2022 16:48
Lets assume the Packers win the SB this year. Rodgers' legacy is then in good shape. Well, maybe.....
Unless... Yes unless he stays in GB. Then he will be exposed as what he is, an aging QB that depended on Adams and years of experience with Adams that makes him look a lot better than what he is. Yoop is right, without Adams, the WR corp is not very good. There simply is no way that the Packers can pay Rodgers what he wants and keep Adams and Tonyan. So he gets to hand off to Jones and Dillon and if the Packers wind up in 3rd and long he has no one that can reliably get open. The best that can be hoped for in the 2022 season is winning the division and getting bounced by a wild card game. More likely the Vikings win the division and the Packers miss the playoffs. And then Rodgers has lost his legacy, especially if Adams excels with his new team. Especially if Tonyan also looks good. Rodgers would have to be a damn fool to stay in GB.
So what should Rodgers do if he wants to guarantee his legacy? That is easy, go to Denver, get Denver to sign Adams and Tonyan and win a third SB and maybe go to a 4th. He will earn more money by doing this and he will go down as perhaps the 2nd GOAT.
Oh, and as far as GB is concerned, they get to keep their D intact, they have their future QB, they have Denver's 1st and 2nd pick and the dynasty continues.
This type of take makes me think you don't watch the games or don't understand the game.
I don't to want to be mean but it is incredible.
Rodgers won superbowl, superbowl mvp, mvp and had the highest ever pass rating before Adams, Tonyan and Jones were on the team.
I don't have a dog in this fight, but in 2011 AR had Driver, Jennings, Jones, and Finley, and a great pass pro and receiving RB and very good OL.
Re: Rodgers wants out
Posted: 15 Jan 2022 17:25
by bud fox
wallyuwl wrote: ↑15 Jan 2022 17:20
bud fox wrote: ↑15 Jan 2022 17:17
TheSkeptic wrote: ↑15 Jan 2022 16:48
Lets assume the Packers win the SB this year. Rodgers' legacy is then in good shape. Well, maybe.....
Unless... Yes unless he stays in GB. Then he will be exposed as what he is, an aging QB that depended on Adams and years of experience with Adams that makes him look a lot better than what he is. Yoop is right, without Adams, the WR corp is not very good. There simply is no way that the Packers can pay Rodgers what he wants and keep Adams and Tonyan. So he gets to hand off to Jones and Dillon and if the Packers wind up in 3rd and long he has no one that can reliably get open. The best that can be hoped for in the 2022 season is winning the division and getting bounced by a wild card game. More likely the Vikings win the division and the Packers miss the playoffs. And then Rodgers has lost his legacy, especially if Adams excels with his new team. Especially if Tonyan also looks good. Rodgers would have to be a damn fool to stay in GB.
So what should Rodgers do if he wants to guarantee his legacy? That is easy, go to Denver, get Denver to sign Adams and Tonyan and win a third SB and maybe go to a 4th. He will earn more money by doing this and he will go down as perhaps the 2nd GOAT.
Oh, and as far as GB is concerned, they get to keep their D intact, they have their future QB, they have Denver's 1st and 2nd pick and the dynasty continues.
This type of take makes me think you don't watch the games or don't understand the game.
I don't to want to be mean but it is incredible.
Rodgers won superbowl, superbowl mvp, mvp and had the highest ever pass rating before Adams, Tonyan and Jones were on the team.
I don't have a dog in this fight, but in 2011 AR had Driver, Jennings, Jones, and Finley, and a great pass pro and receiving RB and very good OL.
No doubt his best receiving group ever. That would help why he had the best season ever.
Okay what about when Rodgers was out this year how did Adams do?
How did Rodgers go without Adams, lazard, MVS, injured tonyan?
Rodgers career median passer rating is unbelievable.
Do people not watch other qbs? Do they not understand that other qbs do not make these passes? They need the receiver to be open ... Rodgers doesn't.
Re: Rodgers wants out
Posted: 16 Jan 2022 01:25
by German_Panzer
bud fox wrote: ↑15 Jan 2022 15:05
Did Tillman ask for a pay cut? Or do you mean joining the army?
I mean joining the army which was a huge statement about things more important than job & money.
Is basically everyone in the world not honourable because they don't go ask there employer for a pay cut?
No, of course not. This is special because #12 is loaded with money and because this sport is supposed to be more than a business (of course it is just that eventually).