Re: Packers @ Bills GDT: Sunday, Oct. 30th, 7:20 PM CST
Posted: 31 Oct 2022 15:31
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Re: Packers @ Bills GDT: Sunday, Oct. 30th, 7:20 PM CST
Posted: 31 Oct 2022 15:49
Re: Packers @ Bills GDT: Sunday, Oct. 30th, 7:20 PM CST
Posted: 31 Oct 2022 15:50
Some good looks into the game above, but I want to highlight this one especially.
This is what pre-snap RPO looks like. The is a give for DAYS if there is an actual post snap read. There is just no way this should be a pass. I think we went to more called runs shortly after this and went under center more.
This is what pre-snap RPO looks like. The is a give for DAYS if there is an actual post snap read. There is just no way this should be a pass. I think we went to more called runs shortly after this and went under center more.
Re: Packers @ Bills GDT: Sunday, Oct. 30th, 7:20 PM CST
Posted: 31 Oct 2022 16:37
I love you guys posting the play breakdown vids. Great stuff! (And more reason to be optimistic going forward!) Two points.
1. Tom seems to be a good run blocker. But his pass pro is bad. MLF depends on those guys carrying their own load. But Tom is bad at stunts and power rushes. If he can be sorted, or when Jenkins comes back, I really think this OLine will vastly improve. And they are starting to show this, at least in spots. Yes doctor, the patient is still alive. Maybe our chances at a wild card are almost shot. But there is life, if our D can stand up and chew bubble gum at the same time.
2. 4th down and 1. I so wish that MLF would learn an old tactic that Holmgren used to use. On those short yardage (<2 yards) situations, use more WRs and SPREAD OUT the defense. When you do that, the D CAN’T put 10 in the box. Your OLine and lead blocker must win. But they probably are only facing 7-8 guys instead of 9-10 anyhow. Win ratio was VERY high. And that would still work.
1. Tom seems to be a good run blocker. But his pass pro is bad. MLF depends on those guys carrying their own load. But Tom is bad at stunts and power rushes. If he can be sorted, or when Jenkins comes back, I really think this OLine will vastly improve. And they are starting to show this, at least in spots. Yes doctor, the patient is still alive. Maybe our chances at a wild card are almost shot. But there is life, if our D can stand up and chew bubble gum at the same time.
2. 4th down and 1. I so wish that MLF would learn an old tactic that Holmgren used to use. On those short yardage (<2 yards) situations, use more WRs and SPREAD OUT the defense. When you do that, the D CAN’T put 10 in the box. Your OLine and lead blocker must win. But they probably are only facing 7-8 guys instead of 9-10 anyhow. Win ratio was VERY high. And that would still work.
Re: Packers @ Bills GDT: Sunday, Oct. 30th, 7:20 PM CST
Posted: 31 Oct 2022 17:03
You guys tell me if I'm insane, but on 4th and short, why not put Love out there sometimes and run read-option? He's fast enough to do it. Can't be any worse than what they're doing now, right? Hell, maybe he can actually QB sneak?
Re: Packers @ Bills GDT: Sunday, Oct. 30th, 7:20 PM CST
Posted: 31 Oct 2022 17:56
I think it is insane to think that Love would be a better option than Rodgers in any conceivable situation against the Bills.Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑31 Oct 2022 17:03You guys tell me if I'm insane, but on 4th and short, why not put Love out there sometimes and run read-option? He's fast enough to do it. Can't be any worse than what they're doing now, right? Hell, maybe he can actually QB sneak?
Re: Packers @ Bills GDT: Sunday, Oct. 30th, 7:20 PM CST
Posted: 31 Oct 2022 18:08
As the great Captain takes a puff on his cigarette, followed by a swig of high end tequilaCaptain_Ben wrote: ↑31 Oct 2022 17:56I think it is insane to think that Love would be a better option than Rodgers in any conceivable situation against the Bills.Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑31 Oct 2022 17:03You guys tell me if I'm insane, but on 4th and short, why not put Love out there sometimes and run read-option? He's fast enough to do it. Can't be any worse than what they're doing now, right? Hell, maybe he can actually QB sneak?
Re: Packers @ Bills GDT: Sunday, Oct. 30th, 7:20 PM CST
Posted: 31 Oct 2022 18:51
Ok first of all, it's moral victory, not morale victory
Second, yes it is perfectly reasonable to find things which could signal better performance down the road and be optimistic about those things. It is entirely possible that we go back to sucking and end up 5-12 or whatever, but it is also possible (because it happens all the time in the NFL) that something clicked, finally, and the new strategy or mindset or advantage or whatever it was that we saw will propel us to some wins (combined with being able to play the Lions) and more buy-in and belief from the players, and it all snowballs. There are plenty of teams who had midseason slumps who went on to win the Super Bowl that same year. And what's cool about last night was that if that is how we are going to look, and Rodgers is going to buy into it, then that is exactly the type of style that we need to overcome Playoff Aaron.
Second, yes it is perfectly reasonable to find things which could signal better performance down the road and be optimistic about those things. It is entirely possible that we go back to sucking and end up 5-12 or whatever, but it is also possible (because it happens all the time in the NFL) that something clicked, finally, and the new strategy or mindset or advantage or whatever it was that we saw will propel us to some wins (combined with being able to play the Lions) and more buy-in and belief from the players, and it all snowballs. There are plenty of teams who had midseason slumps who went on to win the Super Bowl that same year. And what's cool about last night was that if that is how we are going to look, and Rodgers is going to buy into it, then that is exactly the type of style that we need to overcome Playoff Aaron.
Re: Packers @ Bills GDT: Sunday, Oct. 30th, 7:20 PM CST
Posted: 31 Oct 2022 21:03
Who's talking about the Bills? I'm talking about 4th and short situations. They have to do something different because they suck right now.Captain_Ben wrote: ↑31 Oct 2022 17:56I think it is insane to think that Love would be a better option than Rodgers in any conceivable situation against the Bills.Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑31 Oct 2022 17:03You guys tell me if I'm insane, but on 4th and short, why not put Love out there sometimes and run read-option? He's fast enough to do it. Can't be any worse than what they're doing now, right? Hell, maybe he can actually QB sneak?
Re: Packers @ Bills GDT: Sunday, Oct. 30th, 7:20 PM CST
Posted: 31 Oct 2022 21:51
I just can’t see how it’s a moral victory when we were already blown out early in the game. The Bills weren’t playing for real up 3 possessions.texas wrote: ↑31 Oct 2022 18:51Ok first of all, it's moral victory, not morale victory
Second, yes it is perfectly reasonable to find things which could signal better performance down the road and be optimistic about those things. It is entirely possible that we go back to sucking and end up 5-12 or whatever, but it is also possible (because it happens all the time in the NFL) that something clicked, finally, and the new strategy or mindset or advantage or whatever it was that we saw will propel us to some wins (combined with being able to play the Lions) and more buy-in and belief from the players, and it all snowballs. There are plenty of teams who had midseason slumps who went on to win the Super Bowl that same year. And what's cool about last night was that if that is how we are going to look, and Rodgers is going to buy into it, then that is exactly the type of style that we need to overcome Playoff Aaron.
Re: Packers @ Bills GDT: Sunday, Oct. 30th, 7:20 PM CST
Posted: 31 Oct 2022 22:07
Totally agree. How many times have the Packers up 3 scores just go thru the motions in the second half? Bills could have named the score.lupedafiasco wrote: ↑31 Oct 2022 21:51I just can’t see how it’s a moral victory when we were already blown out early in the game. The Bills weren’t playing for real up 3 possessions.texas wrote: ↑31 Oct 2022 18:51Ok first of all, it's moral victory, not morale victory
Second, yes it is perfectly reasonable to find things which could signal better performance down the road and be optimistic about those things. It is entirely possible that we go back to sucking and end up 5-12 or whatever, but it is also possible (because it happens all the time in the NFL) that something clicked, finally, and the new strategy or mindset or advantage or whatever it was that we saw will propel us to some wins (combined with being able to play the Lions) and more buy-in and belief from the players, and it all snowballs. There are plenty of teams who had midseason slumps who went on to win the Super Bowl that same year. And what's cool about last night was that if that is how we are going to look, and Rodgers is going to buy into it, then that is exactly the type of style that we need to overcome Playoff Aaron.
Re: Packers @ Bills GDT: Sunday, Oct. 30th, 7:20 PM CST
Posted: 01 Nov 2022 00:56
Idk, I think they were. I don't think the game was enough out of reach for them to have stopped trying. We were sort of destroying them with the RBs all game too, even early on when it was close.lupedafiasco wrote: ↑31 Oct 2022 21:51I just can’t see how it’s a moral victory when we were already blown out early in the game. The Bills weren’t playing for real up 3 possessions.texas wrote: ↑31 Oct 2022 18:51Ok first of all, it's moral victory, not morale victory
Second, yes it is perfectly reasonable to find things which could signal better performance down the road and be optimistic about those things. It is entirely possible that we go back to sucking and end up 5-12 or whatever, but it is also possible (because it happens all the time in the NFL) that something clicked, finally, and the new strategy or mindset or advantage or whatever it was that we saw will propel us to some wins (combined with being able to play the Lions) and more buy-in and belief from the players, and it all snowballs. There are plenty of teams who had midseason slumps who went on to win the Super Bowl that same year. And what's cool about last night was that if that is how we are going to look, and Rodgers is going to buy into it, then that is exactly the type of style that we need to overcome Playoff Aaron.
Re: Packers @ Bills GDT: Sunday, Oct. 30th, 7:20 PM CST
Posted: 01 Nov 2022 06:43
Yeah overall I wouldn't call this a moral victory or a game that has the potential to propel us moving forward.
I will say I thought this was the best offensive performance of the season. I thought Rodgers played his best game and our running attack was fantastic against a great defense. All that being said...we scored 17 points.
Defensively, I was overall disappointed. I thought Alexander was fantastic but otherwise I wasn't impressed. Maybe Douglas (although he got beat a lot in coverage for big plays in the first half). Gary got pressure but it was never any real pressure. Clark was invisible. Our ILBs were terrible and they need to bench Savage immediately.
I think it was Demovsky who reported that the defense is starting to get disgruntled about the scheme and overall I think you can tell. They just don't have any juice. There were a few drives I was proud of. A few RZ stops I was proud of. But overall I think the Bills not putting up more than 27 was more to do with the Bills making mistakes than it was the Packers controlling the game.
If the defense played like their talent level is and the offense played like they did all year with some future signs of stardom from the young guys...we'd be right on track.
But instead the defense is regressing, was never dominant to begin with, and the offense is coming on too late.
I expect a win vs Detroit but all that will do is push the inevitable out another week. I don't see it with this team.
I will say I thought this was the best offensive performance of the season. I thought Rodgers played his best game and our running attack was fantastic against a great defense. All that being said...we scored 17 points.
Defensively, I was overall disappointed. I thought Alexander was fantastic but otherwise I wasn't impressed. Maybe Douglas (although he got beat a lot in coverage for big plays in the first half). Gary got pressure but it was never any real pressure. Clark was invisible. Our ILBs were terrible and they need to bench Savage immediately.
I think it was Demovsky who reported that the defense is starting to get disgruntled about the scheme and overall I think you can tell. They just don't have any juice. There were a few drives I was proud of. A few RZ stops I was proud of. But overall I think the Bills not putting up more than 27 was more to do with the Bills making mistakes than it was the Packers controlling the game.
If the defense played like their talent level is and the offense played like they did all year with some future signs of stardom from the young guys...we'd be right on track.
But instead the defense is regressing, was never dominant to begin with, and the offense is coming on too late.
I expect a win vs Detroit but all that will do is push the inevitable out another week. I don't see it with this team.
Re: Packers @ Bills GDT: Sunday, Oct. 30th, 7:20 PM CST
Posted: 01 Nov 2022 07:09
If all you said isn't a moral victory, I'd like to know what it is.go pak go wrote: ↑01 Nov 2022 06:43Yeah overall I wouldn't call this a moral victory or a game that has the potential to propel us moving forward.
I will say I thought this was the best offensive performance of the season. I thought Rodgers played his best game and our running attack was fantastic against a great defense. All that being said...we scored 17 points.
Defensively, I was overall disappointed. I thought Alexander was fantastic but otherwise I wasn't impressed. Maybe Douglas (although he got beat a lot in coverage for big plays in the first half). Gary got pressure but it was never any real pressure. Clark was invisible. Our ILBs were terrible and they need to bench Savage immediately.
I think it was Demovsky who reported that the defense is starting to get disgruntled about the scheme and overall I think you can tell. They just don't have any juice. There were a few drives I was proud of. A few RZ stops I was proud of. But overall I think the Bills not putting up more than 27 was more to do with the Bills making mistakes than it was the Packers controlling the game.
If the defense played like their talent level is and the offense played like they did all year with some future signs of stardom from the young guys...we'd be right on track.
But instead the defense is regressing, was never dominant to begin with, and the offense is coming on too late.
I expect a win vs Detroit but all that will do is push the inevitable out another week. I don't see it with this team.
best running performance of the year, best passing performance of the year, offensively this was our best performance of the year.
Defense has been a cluster f of mis cues and broken coverage all season, the line schemes are worse then Capers ever where, we don't have the body's to play two gap, yet thats what Berry does, not sure I've ever seen a 20 front with 4 yards in between the tackles before, that puts all the strain on 2 ILBs to fill to much space against guys that outweigh them by over 50lbs, Berry is a dead coach walking, he may not even last out the season.
Re: Packers @ Bills GDT: Sunday, Oct. 30th, 7:20 PM CST
Posted: 01 Nov 2022 08:20
After half with Campbell and Walker out, we went to a more attacking style across the line and held the running game to 14 rushes and 46 yards. And it isn't like they just gashed us in the passing game either, 5 catches on 14 attempts, 89 yards and 2 INTs.
Re: Packers @ Bills GDT: Sunday, Oct. 30th, 7:20 PM CST
Posted: 01 Nov 2022 08:47
They kept throwing deep well into the 3rd quarter. Thought it was kind of a dick move, really. They were already up 17 pts!lupedafiasco wrote: ↑31 Oct 2022 21:51I just can’t see how it’s a moral victory when we were already blown out early in the game. The Bills weren’t playing for real up 3 possessions.texas wrote: ↑31 Oct 2022 18:51Ok first of all, it's moral victory, not morale victory
Second, yes it is perfectly reasonable to find things which could signal better performance down the road and be optimistic about those things. It is entirely possible that we go back to sucking and end up 5-12 or whatever, but it is also possible (because it happens all the time in the NFL) that something clicked, finally, and the new strategy or mindset or advantage or whatever it was that we saw will propel us to some wins (combined with being able to play the Lions) and more buy-in and belief from the players, and it all snowballs. There are plenty of teams who had midseason slumps who went on to win the Super Bowl that same year. And what's cool about last night was that if that is how we are going to look, and Rodgers is going to buy into it, then that is exactly the type of style that we need to overcome Playoff Aaron.
Re: Packers @ Bills GDT: Sunday, Oct. 30th, 7:20 PM CST
Posted: 01 Nov 2022 09:01
yep, Allen was picked twice forcing the pass, we had two back up lbers in using 20 fronts why would you pass the ball up 17 pts? one reason, they where hoping for a big blow out, the moral victory is that we didn't let that happenCaptain_Ben wrote: ↑01 Nov 2022 08:47They kept throwing deep well into the 3rd quarter. Thought it was kind of a dick move, really. They were already up 17 pts!lupedafiasco wrote: ↑31 Oct 2022 21:51I just can’t see how it’s a moral victory when we were already blown out early in the game. The Bills weren’t playing for real up 3 possessions.texas wrote: ↑31 Oct 2022 18:51Ok first of all, it's moral victory, not morale victory
Second, yes it is perfectly reasonable to find things which could signal better performance down the road and be optimistic about those things. It is entirely possible that we go back to sucking and end up 5-12 or whatever, but it is also possible (because it happens all the time in the NFL) that something clicked, finally, and the new strategy or mindset or advantage or whatever it was that we saw will propel us to some wins (combined with being able to play the Lions) and more buy-in and belief from the players, and it all snowballs. There are plenty of teams who had midseason slumps who went on to win the Super Bowl that same year. And what's cool about last night was that if that is how we are going to look, and Rodgers is going to buy into it, then that is exactly the type of style that we need to overcome Playoff Aaron.
Re: Packers @ Bills GDT: Sunday, Oct. 30th, 7:20 PM CST
Posted: 01 Nov 2022 09:10
OK, but just imagine if we'd used that attacking style with Campbell and Walker in the game
Re: Packers @ Bills GDT: Sunday, Oct. 30th, 7:20 PM CST
Posted: 01 Nov 2022 09:12
Re: Packers @ Bills GDT: Sunday, Oct. 30th, 7:20 PM CST
Posted: 01 Nov 2022 09:16
Exactly. It always seems to me like our ILBs are reading and reacting too much. Maybe I'm wrong but it sure seemed like Campbell was attacking the LOS a lot more last year than this year. I don't know X & O's like some of you guys so I just rely on the old eye test and I very seldom see our ILBs in the backfield this year.