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That's actually not good. 1,400 yards from your top two backs almost always gaurantees a bottom 10 NFL rushing offense.
All this is true, but the fact is that Love is already a damn good QB and Rodgers was until Father Time kicked his ass. Love and in fact the entire offense exceeded reasonable expectations but there is plenty of room for improvement this season especially if Watson stays healthy.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑06 Apr 2024 12:31None of what you said is true. Please actually read and internalize the below:Yoop wrote: ↑06 Apr 2024 10:52come on, your the people that wont allow my opinions, your the people that take anything I say to extreme black or white answers, you make no quarter for reasons why a play went bad, the only thing that matters to you is what goes down on a stat sheet, and to me that hardly describes a damn thing.go pak go wrote: ↑06 Apr 2024 08:39
Then why not allow people to point out the imperfections without emotional trigger and feel the need to set ablaze/bash the rest of the team to defend your guy?
Because that is how it comes across. I mean just reading your posts you REALLY don't like our Olilne, wide receivers, tight ends, coaches, etc. unless they do in fact play/coach to perfection.
I defend the QB's because you and others don't, right away they are at fault when a receiver botches up a route, when a rusher sacks them, or (and this is so common) when a pass appears OFF target, the why never matters to some of you, such as when a receiver is wide freaking open and the QB doesn't see him, as though he should see every receiver as soon as they separate, doesn't matter that he was locked onto another who was deeper and appearing to clear, it's still just his fault. and thats BS
as to the last part, it doesn't deserve a response so I wont give one
We allow your opinion, just don't need to hear it EVERYTIME we point out a QB could have played better or played poorly.
We don't take what you say to the extreme, you actually say the extreme, ie... you actually said you do not believe Love had bad games/halves.
We absolutely delve into all the reasons a play went bad, including the QB. You are the only one that excuses the QB.
We definitely do not only care about the stat sheet. We have brought many examples of the QBs poor play that are not shown on a stat sheet.
We defend all players when all players are worthy of defending, but we are not blind to the fact that all players have bad games.
When a WR messes up a route, it is the receivers fault, not the QBs fault. No one has ever said otherwise.
Sometimes a sack is on the QB. Most of the time it is the line or TE or RB or even coach. No one has ever said otherwise.
When a pass is off target it can be a number of things from the route to the pressure to the QB simply being inaccurate. No one has said otherwise except you seem to believe in is never on the QB.
The why has always mattered to us. You however will not accept that the why may be that the QB wasn't good.
No one has every said that a QB should see every receiver at all times. There are times a QB should go through their progressions and see an open receiver, but instead they lock onto a certain receiver and don't make it through their progression or misread a defense and miss the open man. It happens to ALL QBs.
who are the un happy people in this forum that are never happy Skeptic? lets not confuse disagreements with unhappiness.TheSkeptic wrote: ↑07 Apr 2024 08:43All this is true, but the fact is that Love is already a damn good QB and Rodgers was until Father Time kicked his ass. Love and in fact the entire offense exceeded reasonable expectations but there is plenty of room for improvement this season especially if Watson stays healthy.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑06 Apr 2024 12:31None of what you said is true. Please actually read and internalize the below:Yoop wrote: ↑06 Apr 2024 10:52
come on, your the people that wont allow my opinions, your the people that take anything I say to extreme black or white answers, you make no quarter for reasons why a play went bad, the only thing that matters to you is what goes down on a stat sheet, and to me that hardly describes a damn thing.
I defend the QB's because you and others don't, right away they are at fault when a receiver botches up a route, when a rusher sacks them, or (and this is so common) when a pass appears OFF target, the why never matters to some of you, such as when a receiver is wide freaking open and the QB doesn't see him, as though he should see every receiver as soon as they separate, doesn't matter that he was locked onto another who was deeper and appearing to clear, it's still just his fault. and thats BS
as to the last part, it doesn't deserve a response so I wont give one
We allow your opinion, just don't need to hear it EVERYTIME we point out a QB could have played better or played poorly.
We don't take what you say to the extreme, you actually say the extreme, ie... you actually said you do not believe Love had bad games/halves.
We absolutely delve into all the reasons a play went bad, including the QB. You are the only one that excuses the QB.
We definitely do not only care about the stat sheet. We have brought many examples of the QBs poor play that are not shown on a stat sheet.
We defend all players when all players are worthy of defending, but we are not blind to the fact that all players have bad games.
When a WR messes up a route, it is the receivers fault, not the QBs fault. No one has ever said otherwise.
Sometimes a sack is on the QB. Most of the time it is the line or TE or RB or even coach. No one has ever said otherwise.
When a pass is off target it can be a number of things from the route to the pressure to the QB simply being inaccurate. No one has said otherwise except you seem to believe in is never on the QB.
The why has always mattered to us. You however will not accept that the why may be that the QB wasn't good.
No one has every said that a QB should see every receiver at all times. There are times a QB should go through their progressions and see an open receiver, but instead they lock onto a certain receiver and don't make it through their progression or misread a defense and miss the open man. It happens to ALL QBs.
I am really happy with the offseason so far. But some people are never happy
As others have pointed out, Deguara had nothing to do with Love and the offense performing at a better level. He hardly played in the second half of the season anyway.
Deguara was used as a pass blocker a total of only 15 times last season. He didn't have any impact on the offense improving because of it.Yoop wrote: ↑05 Apr 2024 11:07snap count doesn't tell us a thing about the production when used.
maybe I'am thinking of the LAR's game when his blocking was most notable, other wise ya have to watch the games to see, whatever, once Lafleur got the secondary blocking to pick up the blitzer Love looked more secure, more able to focus from the pocket.
Yoop wrote: ↑06 Apr 2024 10:40not according to this, Stroud was set up well with experienced receivers and had the most expensive LT in the league, and a defense that kept him on the field, plus a coaching staff that designed schemes for him to win, we didn't/couldn't because our receivers struggled to even run simplistic routes, Lafleur was hog tied do to there lack of experience.
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Love was sooo much better then any of you give him credit for right from day one, pass pro issues, receiver issues and lousy defense held LOve back and actually led to poor tech, poor decision making, it took him longer to settle in as a result of that, stuff out of his control.
these are my opinions, your all welcome to yours
Collins and Brown significantly improved with Stroud throwing them the ball compared to their previous seasons in the NFL. Dell was impressive for a third round pick in his rookie campaign. The Texans didn't enter the season with a better situation at wide receiver than the Packers did though.
If you want to say he started off hot and then regressed when everything kind of crashed down around him, that would actually be kind of supported by facts. You just can't ignore this 4 game stretch and say he had no fault in it. 7 of his INT's on the year. He had 1 pick during our 6-2 finish to the season. His stats against Atlanta and New Orleans are worse than I remembered, but you can literally see the switch flip with that LA game.Yoop wrote: ↑06 Apr 2024 10:40Love was sooo much better then any of you give him credit for right from day one, pass pro issues, receiver issues and lousy defense held Love back and actually led to poor tech, poor decision making, it took him longer to settle in as a result of that, stuff out of his control.
There is plenty of legit reasons why he was bad the first half of the season but the results are in fact stunning when looking at it from a very simplistic perspective.NCF wrote: ↑08 Apr 2024 13:29If you want to say he started off hot and then regressed when everything kind of crashed down around him, that would actually be kind of supported by facts. You just can't ignore this 4 game stretch and say he had no fault in it. 7 of his INT's on the year. He had 1 pick during our 6-2 finish to the season. His stats against Atlanta and New Orleans are worse than I remembered, but you can literally see the switch flip with that LA game.Yoop wrote: ↑06 Apr 2024 10:40Love was sooo much better then any of you give him credit for right from day one, pass pro issues, receiver issues and lousy defense held Love back and actually led to poor tech, poor decision making, it took him longer to settle in as a result of that, stuff out of his control.
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Love struggled the week following the Rams game against the Steelers as well but played lights out from there on until the fourth quarter against the Niners.NCF wrote: ↑08 Apr 2024 13:29If you want to say he started off hot and then regressed when everything kind of crashed down around him, that would actually be kind of supported by facts. You just can't ignore this 4 game stretch and say he had no fault in it. 7 of his INT's on the year. He had 1 pick during our 6-2 finish to the season. His stats against Atlanta and New Orleans are worse than I remembered, but you can literally see the switch flip with that LA game.
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Yep, I'm not so worried about the bad stretch during the regular season. Every QB had some bad games, and of course he was part of a bad team during that stretch as well.Labrev wrote: ↑08 Apr 2024 20:19He was bad vs. DET, @OAK and @NYG but the first two were terrible gameplans by MLF that allowed Hutch and Crosby to wreck the game, and NY was the wind messing up his throws, so I don't blame him too much for them.
He had a bad Q4 against SanFran, though. Gotta be better if you want to bring home the Lombardi.
Nah, I don't think he did struggle against the Steelers. His stats don't look good, but the tape told a different story. He was put in a hole by the defense and threw one bad 4th quarter pass that he would love to have back. The second INT was on the last play of the game from the PIT 16, so what are you going to do? The INT, earlier, intended for Watson was on 2nd down. Can't do that. Of course, both of those potential game winning drives in the 4th quarter might have gone differently if Carlson had not missed another XP and we would have been down only 3 and could have settled for a game tying FG in either instance.CWIMM wrote: ↑09 Apr 2024 04:31Love struggled the week following the Rams game against the Steelers as well but played lights out from there on until the fourth quarter against the Niners.NCF wrote: ↑08 Apr 2024 13:29If you want to say he started off hot and then regressed when everything kind of crashed down around him, that would actually be kind of supported by facts. You just can't ignore this 4 game stretch and say he had no fault in it. 7 of his INT's on the year. He had 1 pick during our 6-2 finish to the season. His stats against Atlanta and New Orleans are worse than I remembered, but you can literally see the switch flip with that LA game.
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Yup. The Steelers was the first game, outside of Week 1, where I thought we legitiately had something with Jordan Love. Love looked comfortable. He just slinged it and you could see stuff to build off of. Between the Falcons - Steelers game you could tell he wasn't comfortable yet.NCF wrote: ↑09 Apr 2024 08:57Nah, I don't think he did struggle against the Steelers. His stats don't look good, but the tape told a different story. He was put in a hole by the defense and threw one bad 4th quarter pass that he would love to have back. The second INT was on the last play of the game from the PIT 16, so what are you going to do? The INT, earlier, intended for Watson was on 2nd down. Can't do that. Of course, both of those potential game winning drives in the 4th quarter might have gone differently if Carlson had not missed another XP and we would have been down only 3 and could have settled for a game tying FG in either instance.CWIMM wrote: ↑09 Apr 2024 04:31Love struggled the week following the Rams game against the Steelers as well but played lights out from there on until the fourth quarter against the Niners.NCF wrote: ↑08 Apr 2024 13:29If you want to say he started off hot and then regressed when everything kind of crashed down around him, that would actually be kind of supported by facts. You just can't ignore this 4 game stretch and say he had no fault in it. 7 of his INT's on the year. He had 1 pick during our 6-2 finish to the season. His stats against Atlanta and New Orleans are worse than I remembered, but you can literally see the switch flip with that LA game.
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Why don't you make this your signature, then you wouldn't have to keep saying the same thing over and over.Yoop wrote: ↑09 Apr 2024 15:43Love had it going right from the get go, then the supporting cast led to some of his problems, he looked like he had aints in his pants, frustration of receivers not getting open, inconsistent blocking, he starting forcing the ball, making some poor decisions, all signs of a rattled QB, then the supporting cast improved, Love settle in and we saw who he was again when the season started, better do to more time in the saddle..I predicted a 12 win season based on the Love I saw in PS games, in limited duty he had 109 rating and 63 % completion ratio, give Love a better supporting cast early and we'd had never seen a mid season slump
did Love play poorly at times, sure, but it was exaggerated do to issues out of his control, just admit it, some of U's guys just hate QB's
Love only completed half of his passes vs. the Steelers and had some bad throws in that game as well. He completely turned it around starting the following week though.NCF wrote: ↑09 Apr 2024 08:57Nah, I don't think he did struggle against the Steelers. His stats don't look good, but the tape told a different story. He was put in a hole by the defense and threw one bad 4th quarter pass that he would love to have back. The second INT was on the last play of the game from the PIT 16, so what are you going to do? The INT, earlier, intended for Watson was on 2nd down. Can't do that. Of course, both of those potential game winning drives in the 4th quarter might have gone differently if Carlson had not missed another XP and we would have been down only 3 and could have settled for a game tying FG in either instance.
I was at that Steelers game.CWIMM wrote: ↑10 Apr 2024 04:05Love only completed half of his passes vs. the Steelers and had some bad throws in that game as well. He completely turned it around starting the following week though.NCF wrote: ↑09 Apr 2024 08:57Nah, I don't think he did struggle against the Steelers. His stats don't look good, but the tape told a different story. He was put in a hole by the defense and threw one bad 4th quarter pass that he would love to have back. The second INT was on the last play of the game from the PIT 16, so what are you going to do? The INT, earlier, intended for Watson was on 2nd down. Can't do that. Of course, both of those potential game winning drives in the 4th quarter might have gone differently if Carlson had not missed another XP and we would have been down only 3 and could have settled for a game tying FG in either instance.
Tank Dell?????