Packers Huddle

This game reminded of when I used to play tennis.

The most frustrating matches were the games where I was just off on my own game, regardless of the opponent, and made a series of unforced errors. With an easy opponent, I maybe could overcome it, but would still feel bad about the way I played. With a tough opponent, they wouldn't have to do anything special to win the points necessary, and it woulda taken an even worse off-day for them for me to win.

I hated losing. But if I lost in a game with few unforced errors, at least I knew the opponent beat me, and could learn from it. At least I didn't beat myself.

This was an unforced errors -kinda game for the Packers.

SO many false starts at home, where crowd noise isn't an issue and yards are at a premium in run-first and short passing -conditions. So many drops, oh so many bad drops not even attributable to the weather. Horrid snaps. D jumping. So many basic mistakes... AAaaargh!

I hope the Packers enter their bye mighty pissed off, with full motivation to improve and come back stronger and more learned. We can beat these chums on another day.

AR as a relatively new starter drove us crazy by being too conservative. Taking sacks on 4th down in their territory instead taking a shot, that percentage wise, wasn't going to hurt you. The odds were in favor of giving your guys a shot versus a huge int return. Love is taking stupid chances in situations where the odds of an int leading to a score is far greater than benefit of a couple of yards on either side of the line of scrimmage. He hopefully is learning and this is getting drilled into his skull. These picks keep bad teams in and are killer against teams that are good.

Even with the extra game, it is still the same. Get to 10 wins as fast as possible and look around see what else you need to do to get in the playoffs or improve your seeding. .500 the rest of the way gets our 10 wins. Thank god the bye is here. Heal up, self scout, and smarten up for the playoff run. We are playing a lot of good teams not great teams that should sharpen the spear for the playoffs. I think we are going to be 12-5 and ready to roll come January.

Huh. The Packers offense had 9 drives.

In the Packers first 8 drives, every single drive ended by a Packers mistake including:

1. Drops
2. Terrible Interceptions
3. Pre Snap penalties
4. Fumbled snaps
5. WR not tracking the ball.

In the first drives, these mistakes led to the Packers offense scoring 6 points and giving up 7 points for a negative 1 point.

In the 9th drive, the Packers made no mistakes and scored a TD and the 2 pt conversion.

There were no dries where the Lions just straight up beat GB. GB beat themselves on each drive.

go pak go wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 07:30

Huh. The Packers offense had 9 drives.

In the Packers first 8 drives, every single drive ended by a Packers mistake including:

1. Drops
2. Terrible Interceptions
3. Pre Snap penalties
4. Fumbled snaps
5. WR not tracking the ball.

In the first drives, these mistakes led to the Packers offense scoring 6 points and giving up 7 points for a negative 1 point.

In the 9th drive, the Packers made no mistakes and scored a TD and the 2 pt conversion.

There were no dries where the Lions just straight up beat GB. GB beat themselves on each drive.

I go along with everything except receivers tracking the ball, obviously, there is some truth to that, but, Love is so late to throw at times, and off target, receivers too often have to adjust their routes to make the catch, and too often are not able too, last year Love was throwing receivers open, and on schedule, He's thinking too much, and it's lead to poor decisions, last year he did the thinking on the sidelines and just played the game. jmo

Yoop wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 07:53

go pak go wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 07:30

Huh. The Packers offense had 9 drives.

In the Packers first 8 drives, every single drive ended by a Packers mistake including:

1. Drops
2. Terrible Interceptions
3. Pre Snap penalties
4. Fumbled snaps
5. WR not tracking the ball.

In the first drives, these mistakes led to the Packers offense scoring 6 points and giving up 7 points for a negative 1 point.

In the 9th drive, the Packers made no mistakes and scored a TD and the 2 pt conversion.

There were no dries where the Lions just straight up beat GB. GB beat themselves on each drive.

I go along with everything except receivers tracking the ball, obviously, there is some truth to that, but, Love is so late to throw at times, and off target, receivers too often have to adjust their routes to make the catch, and too often are not able too, last year Love was throwing receivers open, and on schedule, He's thinking too much, and it's lead to poor decisions, last year he did the thinking on the sidelines and just played the game. jmo

I am talking about one specific play. No need to get philosophical and think of extra variables.

It was a perfect ball. It was a TD. Watson absolutely screwed up on that play.

What a flip flop from 2 years ago. If one flipped flopped any harder they would be on the beach.

go pak go wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 07:55

Yoop wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 07:53

go pak go wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 07:30

Huh. The Packers offense had 9 drives.

In the Packers first 8 drives, every single drive ended by a Packers mistake including:

1. Drops
2. Terrible Interceptions
3. Pre Snap penalties
4. Fumbled snaps
5. WR not tracking the ball.

In the first drives, these mistakes led to the Packers offense scoring 6 points and giving up 7 points for a negative 1 point.

In the 9th drive, the Packers made no mistakes and scored a TD and the 2 pt conversion.

There were no dries where the Lions just straight up beat GB. GB beat themselves on each drive.

I go along with everything except receivers tracking the ball, obviously, there is some truth to that, but, Love is so late to throw at times, and off target, receivers too often have to adjust their routes to make the catch, and too often are not able too, last year Love was throwing receivers open, and on schedule, He's thinking too much, and it's lead to poor decisions, last year he did the thinking on the sidelines and just played the game. jmo

I am talking about one specific play. No need to get philosophical and think of extra variables.

It was a perfect ball. It was a TD. Watson absolutely screwed up on that play.

thought you were talking about their first 8 drives, scuse me for having a opinion

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 07:58

What a flip flop from or 2 years ago. If one flipped flopped any harder they would be on the beach.

there is no comparison, except Love has a stable of receivers, and Rodgers didn't

Yoop wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 08:00

go pak go wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 07:55

Yoop wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 07:53

I go along with everything except receivers tracking the ball, obviously, there is some truth to that, but, Love is so late to throw at times, and off target, receivers too often have to adjust their routes to make the catch, and too often are not able too, last year Love was throwing receivers open, and on schedule, He's thinking too much, and it's lead to poor decisions, last year he did the thinking on the sidelines and just played the game. jmo

I am talking about one specific play. No need to get philosophical and think of extra variables.

It was a perfect ball. It was a TD. Watson absolutely screwed up on that play.

thought you were talking about their first 8 drives, scuse me for having a opinion

The WR (Watson) not tracking the ball did happen in the first 8 drives.

I listed categories of Packers mistakes.

go pak go wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 07:30

Huh. The Packers offense had 9 drives.

In the Packers first 8 drives, every single drive ended by a Packers mistake including:

1. Drops
2. Terrible Interceptions
3. Pre Snap penalties
4. Fumbled snaps
5. WR not tracking the ball.

In the first drives, these mistakes led to the Packers offense scoring 6 points and giving up 7 points for a negative 1 point.

In the 9th drive, the Packers made no mistakes and scored a TD and the 2 pt conversion.

There were no dries where the Lions just straight up beat GB. GB beat themselves on each drive.

100% agree. There was nothing Detroit did that made me think wow they are so good. GP gift wrapped that W. The Packers looked like the team that never played outside.

Good team don't make critical errors repeatedly. Right now GB can't seem to get out of their own way. From mind numbing ints to stupid penalties, this team needs to clean it up. Very fixable but the time starts now

Yoop wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 08:01

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 07:58

What a flip flop from or 2 years ago. If one flipped flopped any harder they would be on the beach.

there is no comparison, except Love has a stable of receivers, and Rodgers didn't

I'm not gonna lie. These receivers are a major, major let down this year.

The idea of them and their potential is far outpacing the reality of their play in 2024.

the good news: we missed a FG and threw an awful pick 6 and only lost by 10,
still def a playoff team

the bad news: They did bully us at the LOS. They did run the ball at will in awful weather. We ran the ball until we gave up on it near the redzone of each drive

More bad news: The receivers that have all been lauded as good...legit may cant catch. Especially in big moments. Wicks and Doubs both. Reed is not getting open as much as he is demanding more attention.

I dont take too much from the loss other that Love has to stop doing dumb stuff, and they may can just bully us like the 9ers used to. If thats true, thats a bad sign for the next few years.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 08:05

the good news: we missed a FG and threw an awful pick 6 and only lost by 10,
still def a playoff team

the bad news: They did bully us at the LOS. They did run the ball at will in awful weather. We ran the ball until we gave up on it near the redzone of each drive

More bad news: The receivers that have all been lauded as good...legit may cant catch. Especially in big moments. Wicks and Doubs both. Reed is not getting open as much as he is demanding more attention.

I dont take too much from the loss other that Love has to stop doing dumb stuff, and they may can just bully us like the 9ers used to. If thats true, thats a bad sign for the next few years.

Yes Detroit was able to run on us. But we were equally able to run on them.

I was pleased we were able to provide pressure a couple of times on Goff. The road to New Orleans now goes through Detroit and MN, but I think GB has the horses to do it.

Now the question of if they do it is a completely different question.

PS. I am over Quay Walker.

go pak go wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 08:03

Yoop wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 08:01

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 07:58

What a flip flop from or 2 years ago. If one flipped flopped any harder they would be on the beach.

there is no comparison, except Love has a stable of receivers, and Rodgers didn't

I'm not gonna lie. These receivers are a major, major let down this year.

The idea of them and their potential is far outpacing the reality of their play in 2024.

I was hoping someone would bring the ALL-22 (aerial view) because I see receivers open and Love not throwing the ball, so IMHO you are blaming receivers at times when the fault actually is Love late to trigger, and when he finally does unload the coverage caught up to the receiver, the TV view doesn't show a broad enough view to confirm my opinion.

Wicks has had some drop issues, others as well, on occasion, but not abnormal, everyone drops a pass now and then, nah, I think the biggest issue is the guy throwing the ball

Drj820 wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 08:05

the bad news: They did bully us at the LOS. They did run the ball at will in awful weather. We ran the ball until we gave up on it near the redzone of each drive

We ran it 23 times for 138 yards, a 6 yard average. We bullied them as well. Just got down 21 points 6 minutes into the 2nd half and that hurt our ability to run.

As for not running inside the 30:
Drive 1 inside the 30 - 4 runs, 1 pass (dropped by Brooks for a TD)
Drive 2 got to the Lions 32 for 3rd and 3, but a false start on Rhyan put us at 3rd and 8.
Drive 3 inside the 30 - 2 passes, 2nd and 6 incomplete led to 3rd and 6 and a drop by Kraft and a missed FG.
Drive 4 - INT
Drive 5 - End of half
Now down by 21
Drive 6 - Didn't get past our own 40
Drive 7 - inside the 30 - 3 passes, 2 bad snaps, FG
Drive 8 - inside the 30 - 2 runs, 2 passes, turn over on downs
Drive 9 - inside the 30 - 1 run, 5 passes, TD

It wasn't the lack of running the ball, it was the unforced errors, drops, penalties, and bad snaps.

Yoop wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 08:24

go pak go wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 08:03

Yoop wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 08:01

there is no comparison, except Love has a stable of receivers, and Rodgers didn't

I'm not gonna lie. These receivers are a major, major let down this year.

The idea of them and their potential is far outpacing the reality of their play in 2024.

I was hoping someone would bring the ALL-22 (aerial view) because I see receivers open and Love not throwing the ball, so IMHO you are blaming receivers at times when the fault actually is Love late to trigger, and when he finally does unload the coverage caught up to the receiver, the TV view doesn't show a broad enough view to confirm my opinion.

Wicks has had some drop issues, others as well, on occasion, but not abnormal, everyone drops a pass now and then, nah, I think the biggest issue is the guy throwing the ball

Your flip flop is MIND BOGGLING! I can't even put into words how crazy hard you just flipped.

We dropped 6 $%@# balls last night! We lead the NFL in drops.

None of that absolves Love's pick 6, BTW. Love is not free of blame at all. I am not saying that, at all.

We bring analysis week in and week out, can you please make it a point to watch it?

The way we play at home maybe we're better off being on the road for the playoffs anyway. Just get 4 more wins and let's see what happens. Have to give the Lions credit. They came into this game with a mentality of "don't screw up" and outside of Branch's penalties they played a clean game. MLF better figure out how to stop the penalties or getting to 10 wins could be difficult.

Why does it seem like drops are an issue at WR, year in and year out?

This year, not even yoop can dispute the talent and investment at the position, so it is not a management issue. At this point, you have to look at the coach and ask questions.

Jason Vrable has been our WR coach since like 2020, and he has never gotten this issue ironed out. Actually, I think one of the first years he was coach, we had the fewest drops in the league, but since then it has been a drop fest under him.

Quay Walker returned to the lineup and led the team with 12 tackles, 7 solo. The problem with Walker’s tackles was the amount of yardage gained on each of those plays. In order of occurrence, Walker’s tackles had gains of 8, 4, 5, 1, 11, 4, 8, 8, 9, 3, 5, and 3 yards. If three yards is defined as a draw, then Walker’s 12 tackles included 1 win, two draws, and 9 losses.

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