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Really? I thought he wasn't all that big to begin with...YoHoChecko wrote: ↑07 Jun 2022 16:43Amari Rodgers says he lost 6 pounds and 4% body fat this offseason.
Many people around this board indicated that was a wise path for him to take; I guess he and the team agreed
4% body fat is a lot for a conditioned athlete, 6 lbs, not so much, He just looked slow at everything last year, a lot of it imo had to do with thinking to much versus just reacting and using his god given instincts and skills, I remember a couple receptions he was decisive and quick in and out of his breaks and got good yardage, hopefully we see a lot more of that.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑07 Jun 2022 16:43Amari Rodgers says he lost 6 pounds and 4% body fat this offseason.
Many people around this board indicated that was a wise path for him to take; I guess he and the team agreed
I think he played his position fine. Makes it known publicly he wants a long-term deal without saying so. Can train on his own and not be subject to any workout stipulations that the Packers may enforce. Doesn't subject himself to injury in OTA's or mandatory minicamp and, most importantly for him, cannot be fined for not attending. I think he'll sign and be there for Day 1 of training camp having accomplished what he set out to do. We all want 100% attendance at these things, but I just don't think it really matters for a guy like Lazard who has been in the system for 3 seasons now.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑07 Jun 2022 12:28It's wild, right? Honestly,. if I'm him, I don't want a contract right now. Given the opportunity, he has a good chance at a career high in volume stats this year. His tender isn't necessarily small potatoes ($4 M). He could bet on himself this year.
I don't see it like that at all, his tender is 4 mil. he didn't get a long term deal because he is not in the long term plans, and he's holding out because he wanted a few mil. more, and wanted to entertain offers that might produce that.NCF wrote: ↑08 Jun 2022 08:38I think he played his position fine. Makes it known publicly he wants a long-term deal without saying so. Can train on his own and not be subject to any workout stipulations that the Packers may enforce. Doesn't subject himself to injury in OTA's or mandatory minicamp and, most importantly for him, cannot be fined for not attending. I think he'll sign and be there for Day 1 of training camp having accomplished what he set out to do. We all want 100% attendance at these things, but I just don't think it really matters for a guy like Lazard who has been in the system for 3 seasons now.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑07 Jun 2022 12:28It's wild, right? Honestly,. if I'm him, I don't want a contract right now. Given the opportunity, he has a good chance at a career high in volume stats this year. His tender isn't necessarily small potatoes ($4 M). He could bet on himself this year.
Interesting dilemma for Lazard: On one hand, the team is short on WRs, so the time to push for money is now.Yoop wrote: ↑08 Jun 2022 08:45I don't see it like that at all, his tender is 4 mil. he didn't get a long term deal because he is not in the long term plans, and he's holding out because he wanted a few mil. more, and wanted to entertain offers that might produce that.NCF wrote: ↑08 Jun 2022 08:38I think he played his position fine. Makes it known publicly he wants a long-term deal without saying so. Can train on his own and not be subject to any workout stipulations that the Packers may enforce. Doesn't subject himself to injury in OTA's or mandatory minicamp and, most importantly for him, cannot be fined for not attending. I think he'll sign and be there for Day 1 of training camp having accomplished what he set out to do. We all want 100% attendance at these things, but I just don't think it really matters for a guy like Lazard who has been in the system for 3 seasons now.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑07 Jun 2022 12:28
It's wild, right? Honestly,. if I'm him, I don't want a contract right now. Given the opportunity, he has a good chance at a career high in volume stats this year. His tender isn't necessarily small potatoes ($4 M). He could bet on himself this year.
when ya look at our receiver position last year with injury to MVS and Cobb, Winfray also for a few games, our number two by default was Lazard, so his 600 yrds where due to simply being able to play.
my thoughts as well, his one day hold out if ya can even call it that was to show other teams he'd accept offers, doesn't sound like he got any, and now it sounds like he'll sign the tender, but we just drafted 3 WR and signed Watkins, imo this is Lazards last year as a Packer.salmar80 wrote: ↑08 Jun 2022 09:31Interesting dilemma for Lazard: On one hand, the team is short on WRs, so the time to push for money is now.Yoop wrote: ↑08 Jun 2022 08:45I don't see it like that at all, his tender is 4 mil. he didn't get a long term deal because he is not in the long term plans, and he's holding out because he wanted a few mil. more, and wanted to entertain offers that might produce that.NCF wrote: ↑08 Jun 2022 08:38
I think he played his position fine. Makes it known publicly he wants a long-term deal without saying so. Can train on his own and not be subject to any workout stipulations that the Packers may enforce. Doesn't subject himself to injury in OTA's or mandatory minicamp and, most importantly for him, cannot be fined for not attending. I think he'll sign and be there for Day 1 of training camp having accomplished what he set out to do. We all want 100% attendance at these things, but I just don't think it really matters for a guy like Lazard who has been in the system for 3 seasons now.
when ya look at our receiver position last year with injury to MVS and Cobb, Winfray also for a few games, our number two by default was Lazard, so his 600 yrds where due to simply being able to play.
But also, he's a replaceable possession receiver who is great at blocking. I don't think that's enough blackmail potential for a long-term deal. I LOVE Lazard on my team, but not at any cost.
If I were him, I really, really wouldn't hold out now. He isn't going to get an opportunity to shine more anywhere else in the league.
I don't fault Lazard for playing his hand, this is probably his best chance ever to do so, didn't seem to work, so now he'll sign the tender.Drj820 wrote: ↑08 Jun 2022 09:48This is how little sympathy I have for Lazard if he is playing some weird game of hard ball:
Aaron Jones made 2.2milion in his 4th year, played out his full deal, never held out.
Lazard is set to make 3.8m this year, the year before he is free to negotiate a new deal.
Jones should smack Lazard for his silliness when he finally shows up to town.
You have to, at least, be factual about this. Lazard played out his full deal, too. Lazard is not holding out. He is not under contract. He can do whatever the $%@# he pleases.Drj820 wrote: ↑08 Jun 2022 09:48This is how little sympathy I have for Lazard if he is playing some weird game of hard ball:
Aaron Jones made 2.2milion in his 4th year, played out his full deal, never held out.
Jones made about 3.8 million total in his first four years.
Lazard is set to make 3.98m this year, the year before he is free to negotiate a new deal. Almost double what Jones made the year before he could negotiate.
Jones should smack Lazard for his silliness when he finally shows up to town.
he obviously did it because he was putting up a small effort to get a long term deal. I am just scolding him for making that small effort considering he contributed 6 yards in his last game as a Packer.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑08 Jun 2022 11:22Other teams can't sign him unless they give a 2nd rounder to us.
Lazard not signing his tender yet has nothing to do with "showing off" to other GMs.
What over value are people placing on Lazard? What defense has been listened to? I think it has more to do with some being overly sensitive and blowing things out of proportion much more thank over valuing Lazard or even defending him. In reality I don't see any of that here.
He'll sign his tender soon. Come to TC. Play WR for the Packers and what will be, will be. Let's not make a mountain out of a mole hill here.
I am glad you are boiling this all down to 1 game. I am also glad we gave Aaron Rodgers that large extension for putting up 225 yards and 0 TDs in his last game! It looks like small efforts get Packers' players long term deals!Drj820 wrote: ↑08 Jun 2022 11:27he obviously did it because he was putting up a small effort to get a long term deal. I am just scolding him for making that small effort considering he contributed 6 yards in his last game as a Packer.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑08 Jun 2022 11:22Other teams can't sign him unless they give a 2nd rounder to us.
Lazard not signing his tender yet has nothing to do with "showing off" to other GMs.
What over value are people placing on Lazard? What defense has been listened to? I think it has more to do with some being overly sensitive and blowing things out of proportion much more thank over valuing Lazard or even defending him. In reality I don't see any of that here.
He'll sign his tender soon. Come to TC. Play WR for the Packers and what will be, will be. Let's not make a mountain out of a mole hill here.
Rodgers won MVP last season. Lazard has never caught more than 515 yards in a season. Players who lack an accumulation of gawdy stats certainly operate in a "what have you done for me lately" space when they want to get themselves a long term deal.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑08 Jun 2022 11:33I am glad you are boiling this all down to 1 game. I am also glad we gave Aaron Rodgers that large extension for putting up 225 yards and 0 TDs in his last game!Drj820 wrote: ↑08 Jun 2022 11:27he obviously did it because he was putting up a small effort to get a long term deal. I am just scolding him for making that small effort considering he contributed 6 yards in his last game as a Packer.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑08 Jun 2022 11:22Other teams can't sign him unless they give a 2nd rounder to us.
Lazard not signing his tender yet has nothing to do with "showing off" to other GMs.
What over value are people placing on Lazard? What defense has been listened to? I think it has more to do with some being overly sensitive and blowing things out of proportion much more thank over valuing Lazard or even defending him. In reality I don't see any of that here.
He'll sign his tender soon. Come to TC. Play WR for the Packers and what will be, will be. Let's not make a mountain out of a mole hill here.
