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I firmly believe Love's accuracy issues are because of the Tom Clements effect. Clements is working on his fundamentals, especially footwork and that is causing the accuracy issues. Once Love gets this down he will be fine. He definitely seems more accurate out of the pocket than in the pocket which ties to the fundamentals. Clements is a master at getting guys to use proper technique consistently. Doesn't happen overnight.

Hopefully we don't see the results of this until next spring or Week 18 when Aaron gets some rest.

packman114 wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2022 13:42

I firmly believe Love's accuracy issues are because of the Tom Clements effect. Clements is working on his fundamentals, especially footwork and that is causing the accuracy issues. Once Love gets this down he will be fine. He definitely seems more accurate out of the pocket than in the pocket which ties to the fundamentals. Clements is a master at getting guys to use proper technique consistently. Doesn't happen overnight.

Hopefully we don't see the results of this until next spring or Week 18 when Aaron gets some rest.

Love was never accurate. If anything he is more accurate now because if the focus on fundamentals, he just has a ways to go still.

packman114 wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2022 13:42

Clements is working on his fundamentals, especially footwork and that is causing the accuracy issues.

His footwork is much better and thus his accuracy has been better.

He has still missed a few throws(Aaron misses throws too), but I see him improving overall, his accuracy is improving as well.

One thing I would like to see him stop doing is sticking his tongue out and licking his lips so often. He does this at times excessively. That is somewhat nitpicky, but it does annoy me.

he went from bust a week ago, to vastly improved tech, and more accurate this week, color me impressed

wallyuwl wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2022 13:45

packman114 wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2022 13:42

I firmly believe Love's accuracy issues are because of the Tom Clements effect. Clements is working on his fundamentals, especially footwork and that is causing the accuracy issues. Once Love gets this down he will be fine. He definitely seems more accurate out of the pocket than in the pocket which ties to the fundamentals. Clements is a master at getting guys to use proper technique consistently. Doesn't happen overnight.

Hopefully we don't see the results of this until next spring or Week 18 when Aaron gets some rest.

Love was never accurate. If anything he is more accurate now because if the focus on fundamentals, he just has a ways to go still.

imo lack of chemistry and timing between QB and receiver is the biggest reason either fail, Love didn't have accuracy issues near as much when he had time to develop with his receivers, in 2018 he'd have probably been a top 15 pick, had a 64 passer rating and dominated his league, set school records, yada yada, instead of applying for the draft he went back to Utah, void of the coach who helped him become more accurate and poised, and the offensive scheme and receivers, minus all that his stats declined.

Love was on the clock last week, the goal was for him to get the ball out in 2.5 count, and some of his off target throws looked rushed, hurried, imo that and lack of reps with receivers where the biggest reason for the misses, I expect to see a little more poise and accuracy tonight.

I feel as though Love struggles from some pre-snap decision-making. When he was in for the KC game, he forced it to Adams far more than Rodgers even did. When he came in in the preseason game, he seemed to be pushing it at Romeo (targets in limited playing time).

I agree with the footwork thing--I harped on it last year. His footwork needs to become automatic so he won't be thinking fundamentals, just playing with them. And his footwork will improve his accuracy.

But the processing of the game still looks a little labored. And that is less coachable. I'm pretty neutral on his outcome. I no longer think of him as the heir apparent. But I don't see the need to write him off as a bust before the process completes itself, either. I'm fairly unconcerned. It's not even on my list of issues for the team this year. Backup QBs are mediocre; by nature, they aren't usually good enough to be starters in the league. In the present, he fulfills that role of a mediocre quarterback.

I'm glad to see Clements has gotten fundamentals and footwork progress. I'm retroactively mad that Getsy couldn't accomplish that very obvious QB development task. But I still need to see Love play within the system and make good reads and not force the ball to his favorite in live action. I think we're getting there, but I'm not sure we'll get all the way there.

We'll see.

I hope Love has been getting some good coaching and instruction before Clements showed up. Getsy had a good reputation and Lafleur is certainly supposed to be capable.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2022 17:38

I hope Love has been getting some good coaching and instruction before Clements showed up. Getsy had a good reputation and Lafleur is certainly supposed to be capable.

Sure, and I'm sure that he was getting great coaching in regards to many things. But if you listen to the quotes from Rodgers, Love, Clements, and others, it's very clear that the emphasis on fundamentals being implemented day-to-day has significantly increased this season. It's come up over and over again. With a young guy like Love, that's perhaps the most important thing. So maybe the coaching on the big picture and the understanding of the offensive concept and the decision-making film review and all was solid. But the emphasis on fundamentals was not where it could have been.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2022 17:38

I hope Love has been getting some good coaching and instruction before Clements showed up. Getsy had a good reputation and Lafleur is certainly supposed to be capable.

agreed, Getsy left for the coaching up grade, Clements is here because he is also a good QB coach, we needed one, and he had Rodgers stamp of approval, sure no doubt he brings his manner of teaching fundamentals that a player may relate to better, depending on the player, but to think Love has put these changes to muscle memory in a little over a few months gives a lot credit to Clements for what Getsy started, and probably had going in the right direction last year.

the biggest changes to me are whats going on between the ears, easy to see it's starting to slow down, last week he was scanning 1,2,3 and getting the ball out in under a 3 count, color me impressed, tonight, if the OL gives him a clean pocket we'll have a better idea of who Love is, specially now that Rodgers lite a fire in all these Receivers

wallyuwl wrote: ↑

14 Aug 2022 13:50

Justin Fields will be a lot better QB in the NFL than Love.

lol no.

I'll have a better NFL career than Justin Fields. That's how bad he will be

I'd probably pick up the 5th year option. He was straight trash last year, and now he has looked decent so far this year. That's improvement, and it warrants enough to bring him back imo.

J-Love had a good night overall, far from perfect, but you can see a QB that given more starts would be able to run the offense at an above average level. That is what you want from your backup.

People are too caught up in whether he will be a 10 year starter and become elite after Aaron retires.

Right now, he is a Top 5 backup in the league. I like where he is at. I live in the present.

Gute and Russ get paid to make decisions about the 5th year option. They will handle that in 2023.

We have a QB that could win games if Aaron goes down this season. We are good at QB. Be happy.

texas wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2022 01:33

wallyuwl wrote: ↑

14 Aug 2022 13:50

Justin Fields will be a lot better QB in the NFL than Love.

lol no.

I'll have a better NFL career than Justin Fields. That's how bad he will be

you will never have a NFL career

behind a weak OL, and patchwork receiving core Fields got two series of play, went 6 of 8 passing for a 75% completion ratio.

LOve played into the 3rd Quarter, was 12 of 24 for a 50% completion rate, tossed some real boner passes, yet sense he had no picks people think he's great

PackerNation wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2022 05:50

J-Love had a good night overall, far from perfect, but you can see a QB that given more starts would be able to run the offense at an above average level. That is what you want from your backup.

People are too caught up in whether he will be a 10 year starter and become elite after Aaron retires.

Right now, he is a Top 5 backup in the league. I like where he is at. I live in the present.

Gute and Russ get paid to make decisions about the 5th year option. They will handle that in 2023.

We have a QB that could win games if Aaron goes down this season. We are good at QB. Be happy.

Top 5 back up in the league?

Look, Im thrilled to hear Love played great. It’s awesome!! But from Love to have gone to “suckdom” to “top 33-38 qb in the league” after one preseason game is crazy haha

Young boy still has lots to prove

Drj820 wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2022 07:04

PackerNation wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2022 05:50

J-Love had a good night overall, far from perfect, but you can see a QB that given more starts would be able to run the offense at an above average level. That is what you want from your backup.

People are too caught up in whether he will be a 10 year starter and become elite after Aaron retires.

Right now, he is a Top 5 backup in the league. I like where he is at. I live in the present.

Gute and Russ get paid to make decisions about the 5th year option. They will handle that in 2023.

We have a QB that could win games if Aaron goes down this season. We are good at QB. Be happy.

Top 5 back up in the league?

Look, Im thrilled to hear Love played great. It’s awesome!! But from Love to have gone to “suckdom” to “top 33-38 qb in the league” after one preseason game is crazy haha

Young boy still has lots to prove

I NEVER had J-Love in the "suckdom" category that you are saying that some do/did. So no, it's not just about "one preseason game."

I also can't name 5 backup QBs that I would rather have than Jordan. So yes, to me, he is a Top 5 backup. You can disagree, that is fine.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2022 07:04

PackerNation wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2022 05:50

J-Love had a good night overall, far from perfect, but you can see a QB that given more starts would be able to run the offense at an above average level. That is what you want from your backup.

People are too caught up in whether he will be a 10 year starter and become elite after Aaron retires.

Right now, he is a Top 5 backup in the league. I like where he is at. I live in the present.

Gute and Russ get paid to make decisions about the 5th year option. They will handle that in 2023.

We have a QB that could win games if Aaron goes down this season. We are good at QB. Be happy.

Top 5 back up in the league?

Look, Im thrilled to hear Love played great. It’s awesome!! But from Love to have gone to “suckdom” to “top 33-38 qb in the league” after one preseason game is crazy haha

Young boy still has lots to prove

no one mentions the blown drives because Love couldn't finish them, a simple 8 yrd pass to Dequara he throws 3 yrds in front of him, probably cost us a TD, Love is still inconsistent, but he's improved every time he gets on the field.

PackerNation wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2022 07:57

Drj820 wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2022 07:04

PackerNation wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2022 05:50

J-Love had a good night overall, far from perfect, but you can see a QB that given more starts would be able to run the offense at an above average level. That is what you want from your backup.

People are too caught up in whether he will be a 10 year starter and become elite after Aaron retires.

Right now, he is a Top 5 backup in the league. I like where he is at. I live in the present.

Gute and Russ get paid to make decisions about the 5th year option. They will handle that in 2023.

We have a QB that could win games if Aaron goes down this season. We are good at QB. Be happy.

Top 5 back up in the league?

Look, Im thrilled to hear Love played great. It’s awesome!! But from Love to have gone to “suckdom” to “top 33-38 qb in the league” after one preseason game is crazy haha

Young boy still has lots to prove

I NEVER had J-Love in the "suckdom" category that you are saying that some do/did. So no, it's not just about "one preseason game."

I also can't name 5 backup QBs that I would rather have than Jordan. So yes, to me, he is a Top 5 backup. You can disagree, that is fine.

My guess is you can’t name 5 backup qbs without googling bc you don’t know much about the NFL. You strike me more as a soccer fan.

So you have the "mediocre starters who settled into backup roles" like Tyrod Taylor, Jimmy G, Gardner Minshew, Nick Foles, and Jacoby Brissett. There's also Sam Darnold, though he wasn't even mediocre. There are young guys who have flashed like Tyler Huntley and rookies like Ridder and Corrall. I guess that could include Pickett if Mitch starts; and the mediocre starter backup would include Mitch if Pickett starts.

I think Love this year belongs with that group of ten guys who are either steady/descending vets or rising/unproven potential types. I'm sure I'm forgetting a couple stable names. But it's a nice context for who's out there.

Damn, this looks crazy from this angle.



This is the type of stuff I’ve been wanting to see. Types of throws, whatever they may be, that only a small handful of people on the planet can do.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2022 09:47

So you have the "mediocre starters who settled into backup roles" like Tyrod Taylor, Jimmy G, Gardner Minshew, Nick Foles, and Jacoby Brissett. There's also Sam Darnold, though he wasn't even mediocre. There are young guys who have flashed like Tyler Huntley and rookies like Ridder and Corrall. I guess that could include Pickett if Mitch starts; and the mediocre starter backup would include Mitch if Pickett starts.

I think Love this year belongs with that group of ten guys who are either steady/descending vets or rising/unproven potential types. I'm sure I'm forgetting a couple stable names. But it's a nice context for who's out there.

I think thats a fair comparison, obviously we all want to see Love elevate his game, and he seems to be doing that, had more drops from receivers on balls that should be caught, but still throws some that are tough catches for any receiver, on others his ball placement has been perfect, imo he'll keep getting better the more he plays.