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What happens at college should stay at college. Wyatt is a new man now. Let it go.

williewasgreat wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2023 15:39

Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2023 12:40

TheSkeptic wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2023 08:15

You guys seem to be still wet behind the ears. I guess it comes with the territory - a sheltered middle class life in northern Wisconsin.

Skeptic, that kind of generalization is not cool. I won't go into things that happened to people I care about, but suffice to say, living "a sheltered middle class life in northern Wisconsin" didn't protect them.

Correct! It's called stereotyping and is making assumptions that are not based on any facts. Also, I happen to live in southern Wisconsin.

There are NEVER facts when evaluating people. Only opinions based upon experience with people who had similar personalities and life experiences. Experience has taught me, sometimes the hard way, that not everyone with problems will get better no matter how much you try to help them. In fact, significant improvement is rare. Maybe Wyatt can be kept out of trouble for a few years, maybe even until after he retires from football, but he is still the man who physically bullied a woman several times or perhaps several women several times and delivered a sneaky cheap shot on that Lions trainer. Can he change, of course. Will he?

There is nothing wrong with a sheltered middle class life in Wisconsin. You are incredibly fortunate and no one should regard being called fortunate as an insult. ))

TheSkeptic wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2023 17:14

williewasgreat wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2023 15:39

Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2023 12:40

Skeptic, that kind of generalization is not cool. I won't go into things that happened to people I care about, but suffice to say, living "a sheltered middle class life in northern Wisconsin" didn't protect them.

Correct! It's called stereotyping and is making assumptions that are not based on any facts. Also, I happen to live in southern Wisconsin.

There are NEVER facts when evaluating people. Only opinions based upon experience with people who had similar personalities and life experiences.

So you have never gotten to know anyone? Just judgy judge instead?

Nice.

go pak go wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2023 20:53

TheSkeptic wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2023 17:14

williewasgreat wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2023 15:39

Correct! It's called stereotyping and is making assumptions that are not based on any facts. Also, I happen to live in southern Wisconsin.

There are NEVER facts when evaluating people. Only opinions based upon experience with people who had similar personalities and life experiences.

So you have never gotten to know anyone? Just judgy judge instead?

Nice.

Everyone will surprise you. Judge is another word for think. If we are not judging people we are reacting emotionally rather than thinking and that is NOT a good thing.

And that is what we are supposed to be doing here, thinking about who are likely to be the best players on the roster this coming season. I think that Wyatt could be a star on the team, but I also think he could be a complete character bust.

Just a fyi, we saw such a bust last year: Asked if the decision to cut Kylin Hill was less about what kind of football player he is than about other things away from the field, LaFleur answered, “Yeah, I would say so.” We still don't know what he did. But he was not cut because he couldn't be a good or even great RB. And he is not an unsigned FA now because of lack of ability.

Another fyi. The Packers started their 11 on 11 in camp open to the press this week. With 2 down linemen. Clark and TJ Slayton

TheSkeptic wrote: ↑

08 Jun 2023 00:53

go pak go wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2023 20:53

TheSkeptic wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2023 17:14

There are NEVER facts when evaluating people. Only opinions based upon experience with people who had similar personalities and life experiences.

So you have never gotten to know anyone? Just judgy judge instead?

Nice.

Everyone will surprise you. Judge is another word for think. If we are not judging people we are reacting emotionally rather than thinking and that is NOT a good thing.

And that is what we are supposed to be doing here, thinking about who are likely to be the best players on the roster this coming season. I think that Wyatt could be a star on the team, but I also think he could be a complete character bust.

Just a fyi, we saw such a bust last year: Asked if the decision to cut Kylin Hill was less about what kind of football player he is than about other things away from the field, LaFleur answered, “Yeah, I would say so.” We still don't know what he did. But he was not cut because he couldn't be a good or even great RB. And he is not an unsigned FA now because of lack of ability.

Another fyi. The Packers started their 11 on 11 in camp open to the press this week. With 2 down linemen. Clark and TJ Slayton

your really digging deep on Wyatt, in reality he had a minor scrap with the law after a domestic violation, no punches thrown, minor property damages, no charges pressed, and there have been no issues since then, this probably happens to a bunch of young kids a year in every college.

I'am a 2nd chance guy, specially with school age kids, peer group pressure can lead a kid astray, often in fact most often with some guidance youngsters that make mistakes turn there life around and become model citizens, I think you know this, so it baffles me that your digging in so hard with Wyatt.

the wonderlic scores troubled me more then this altercation, but again ya don't need a med degree to play DT, rather a non stop motor and a few tech skills get the job done, I expect Wyatt will live up to the hype, and get 3 times the snap count as Slayton

TheSkeptic wrote: ↑

08 Jun 2023 00:53

go pak go wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2023 20:53

TheSkeptic wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2023 17:14

There are NEVER facts when evaluating people. Only opinions based upon experience with people who had similar personalities and life experiences.

So you have never gotten to know anyone? Just judgy judge instead?

Nice.

Everyone will surprise you. Judge is another word for think. If we are not judging people we are reacting emotionally rather than thinking and that is NOT a good thing.

And that is what we are supposed to be doing here, thinking about who are likely to be the best players on the roster this coming season. I think that Wyatt could be a star on the team, but I also think he could be a complete character bust.

Just a fyi, we saw such a bust last year: Asked if the decision to cut Kylin Hill was less about what kind of football player he is than about other things away from the field, LaFleur answered, “Yeah, I would say so.” We still don't know what he did. But he was not cut because he couldn't be a good or even great RB. And he is not an unsigned FA now because of lack of ability.

Another fyi. The Packers started their 11 on 11 in camp open to the press this week. With 2 down linemen. Clark and TJ Slayton

There is a difference between evaluate and making stereotypical and rash judgements with no information.

Comparing Kylin Hill to this is silly. The Packers cut Kylin Hill after they were around Hill for a year, evaluated and made a decision to move because he was not a fit in Green Bay. The same Packers also drafted Wyatt after doing their due diligence and accepting the risk when the Packers are known to be more conservative in character evaluation.

You state "if you are not judging, you are reacting emotionally rather than thinking". I would completely argue the opposite. Stereotype and assessment with limited information (like you are doing with Wyatt) is lazy due to relying on emotional and anecdotal past feelings to form this current assessment and often has errored results.

Not sayin Wyatt will end up not being a bust either personally or professionally, but we don't have nearly enough information to make statements such as 'this guy will probably murder someone in his lifetime" from a keyboard.

Kylin Hills behavior was no different from that of recent David Bahktiari. The different result comes down to one being 3rd string and one being a starter. Also the money it takes to move on.

Hill did nothing wrong but desire to tote the rock.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

08 Jun 2023 07:17

Kylin Hills behavior was no different from that of recent David Bahktiari. The different result comes down to one being 3rd string and one being a starter. Also the money it takes to move on.

Hill did nothing wrong but desire to tote the rock.

I wouldn't call insubordination nothing wrong.

NCF wrote: ↑

08 Jun 2023 07:19

Drj820 wrote: ↑

08 Jun 2023 07:17

Kylin Hills behavior was no different from that of recent David Bahktiari. The different result comes down to one being 3rd string and one being a starter. Also the money it takes to move on.

Hill did nothing wrong but desire to tote the rock.

I wouldn't call insubordination nothing wrong.

that back talker

What's weird about Hill is that nobody has touched him with a ten foot pole after we released him. It's not like he keeps getting signed to practice squads and released, he hasn't found A TEAM to join since we cut him. Usually at least one other team is willing to give a second chance to talented guys who mess up somewhere, many have much lower standards than Green Bay, and Hill was a guy making a lot of noise for what he was doing on the field.

Not a single team has bothered. His wikipedia page has nothing after his release here. Wondering if his Wiki simply isn't correct/up-to-date, I did a Google news search of his name (exact matches only)... nothing, not so much as a workout.

I can only imagine how serious the issue with him truly was.

Word around the streets is that hill was allegedly in a gang, which is why we needed to keep him. We need some more dogs in the locker room.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

08 Jun 2023 09:11

Word around the streets is that hill was allegedly in a gang, which is why we needed to keep him. We need some more dogs in the locker room.

Hill was a locker room cancer, he expected to share snaps with Dillon and Jones and would not accept being a 3rd tier backup, and verbally complained about it, ya don't need a dog like that

Drj820 wrote: ↑

08 Jun 2023 09:11

Word around the streets is that hill was allegedly in a gang, which is why we needed to keep him. We need some more dogs in the locker room.

No whiter words have ever been spoken...

Aww hell nahhh.

It's one thing for a lost youth in a bad area to join a gang, that's a mistake, but if (emphasis on 'if' because this is all hearsay) you're in the NFL and continuing to live like that rather than use it as a ticket out.... then the guy is a thug (literal rather than figurative, so not the good kind), I would then agree with Skeptic that the player is destined to do something stupid and end his career.

Labrev wrote: ↑

08 Jun 2023 11:55

Aww hell nahhh.

It's one thing for a lost youth in a bad area to join a gang, that's a mistake, but if (emphasis on 'if' because this is all hearsay) you're in the NFL and continuing to live like that rather than use it as a ticket out.... then the guy is a thug (literal rather than figurative, so not the good kind), I would then agree with Skeptic that the player is destined to do something stupid and end his career.

IS GB a bad area, I grew up in the 50's and 60's in GB and we had the east and west side gangs, and even gangs inside the gangs, we just didn't use guns back then to settle scores, and outside of packer players there where no African Americans in GB back then.

and fast forward to today and there are gangs from every nationality.

Hill was a malcontent first and for most, and ya don't have to belong to a gang to be a malcontent, hell I'am not exactly a contented person, course you'd never know that because I'am such a lovable guy

https://www.thesportster.com/entertainm ... n-marshall

Lots have great players have been gangsters. Just gotta be a good player and it’s fine. Certainly doesn’t help the resume of 3rd stringers.