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Re: 2023 MVP Race
Posted: 22 Dec 2023 11:33
by wallyuwl
flapackfan wrote: ↑22 Dec 2023 11:20
Acrobat wrote: ↑04 Dec 2023 12:50
Obviously don't want to get ahead of myself here, but if Love keeps on his current pace from the last 3 games or even slightly comeback back to earth AND the Packers make the playoffs, he will have finished the season with over 4,000 yards, over 30 TD's and somewhere between 12-14 INT's. Even more impressive though, he would bring a team that lost its All Pro LT and Pro Bowl RB for the majority of the season and is throwing to WR's/TE's who are 1st and 2nd year players.
I think he would at least need to be in the conversation.
In the past the final week or two, seemed to not matter with voting having already taken place.
Does Love make the Pro Bowl (games) this year? Or, better question, is he deserving?
I'm not sure if they take 3 or 4. But who is better than him in the NFC? Dak, Purdy, Goff, ???? He has similar stats as Hurts with much less talent around him.
Re: 2023 MVP Race
Posted: 22 Dec 2023 11:43
by lupedafiasco
I’d put Dak, Purdy, Goff, Hurts, and Stafford over Love. Only 3 get in. One likely makes the SB and at least one will likely drop out because the pro bowl is a joke so he is probably right on the edge of getting in.
Re: 2023 MVP Race
Posted: 22 Dec 2023 11:56
by APB
lupedafiasco wrote: ↑22 Dec 2023 11:43
I’d put Dak, Purdy, Goff, Hurts, and Stafford over Love. Only 3 get in. One likely makes the SB and at least one will likely drop out because the pro bowl is a joke so he is probably right on the edge of getting in.
I'd probably add Baker Mayfield to that list. He is quietly having a pretty good year, even when he's not facing Joe Barry's defense.
Re: 2023 MVP Race
Posted: 22 Dec 2023 14:41
by Papa John
[mention]APB[/mention] and [mention]williewasgreat[/mention]
Yeah guys. I acknowledged the Jets game. It was actually the very first counterpoint that I acknowledged in my OP. Guess what? It's one game. By that logic, do you think that Aaron Rodgers should not have won MVP in 2011 because Matt Flynn came in and threw for 480 yards and 6 TD's against a solid Lions squad in Week 17?
Re: 2023 MVP Race
Posted: 22 Dec 2023 15:49
by APB
Papa John wrote: ↑22 Dec 2023 14:41
@APB and @williewasgreat
Yeah guys. I acknowledged the Jets game. It was actually the very first counterpoint that I acknowledged in my OP. Guess what? It's one game. By that logic, do you think that Aaron Rodgers should not have won MVP in 2011 because Matt Flynn came in and threw for 480 yards and 6 TD's against a solid Lions squad in Week 17?
Yep. Matt Flynn clearly should have won it.
Re: 2023 MVP Race
Posted: 22 Dec 2023 16:12
by Papa John
APB wrote: ↑22 Dec 2023 15:49
Papa John wrote: ↑22 Dec 2023 14:41
@APB and @williewasgreat
Yeah guys. I acknowledged the Jets game. It was actually the very first counterpoint that I acknowledged in my OP. Guess what? It's one game. By that logic, do you think that Aaron Rodgers should not have won MVP in 2011 because Matt Flynn came in and threw for 480 yards and 6 TD's against a solid Lions squad in Week 17?
Yep. Matt Flynn clearly should have won it.
If you think Flynn should have won it, then that is a conclusion that you arrived at on your own. That is not what I'm saying or insinuating at all. But I think you knew that.
Re: 2023 MVP Race
Posted: 22 Dec 2023 16:14
by Crazylegs Starks
Who broke [mention]Papa John[/mention]'s avatar?
Re: 2023 MVP Race
Posted: 22 Dec 2023 22:28
by APB
Papa John wrote: ↑22 Dec 2023 16:12
APB wrote: ↑22 Dec 2023 15:49
Papa John wrote: ↑22 Dec 2023 14:41
@APB and @williewasgreat
Yeah guys. I acknowledged the Jets game. It was actually the very first counterpoint that I acknowledged in my OP. Guess what? It's one game. By that logic, do you think that Aaron Rodgers should not have won MVP in 2011 because Matt Flynn came in and threw for 480 yards and 6 TD's against a solid Lions squad in Week 17?
Yep. Matt Flynn clearly should have won it.
If you think Flynn should have won it, then that is a conclusion that you arrived at on your own. That is not what I'm saying or insinuating at all. But I think you knew that.
I actually am in agreement with you on much of what you’re saying. My point with my last post was 1) tongue in cheek and 2) to point out the yearly illogical conclusions the league draws in their MVP voting. I don’t think a QB has earned a “most valuable “ designation this year but I bet the award goes to one of them.
Re: 2023 MVP Race
Posted: 23 Dec 2023 07:15
by Yoop
Re: 2023 MVP Race
Posted: 24 Dec 2023 15:33
by MY_TAKE
TheSkeptic wrote: ↑22 Dec 2023 08:38
MY_TAKE wrote: ↑28 Nov 2023 16:24
IMO, Mahomes is the MVP. He is the best QB and KC would probably be a .500 team without him. If the Packers had him we would probably be a 1 or 2 seed right now. Thats how I feel. The guy is ridiculously good. Record and QBR and his talent around him backs up my opinion I think.
I disagree. The Packers might be 8-6 instead of 6-8. No more than that. And fyi, if Christian Watson had been healthy all season, the Packers would be 9-5 or better. If Bakh and Watson and Campbell and Alexander had been healthy all season, the Packers would be 12 and 2.
Check that, if Bakh and Watson and Campbell and Alexander had been healthy all season (and Barry had been replaced last spring), the Packers would be 12 and 2.
I could care less about regular season MVP. It is a popularity contest. The only individual honor worth having is SB MVP.
Mahomes has definitely had a down year. When I wrote that message I felt he was carrying the team and he was. Yes superbowl MVP is more important, but that wasn't the topic.
Re: 2023 MVP Race
Posted: 24 Dec 2023 15:40
by MY_TAKE
APB wrote: ↑21 Dec 2023 05:45
MY_TAKE wrote: ↑04 Dec 2023 15:27
Prescott and Purdy are probably the favorites right now, but it will matter what happens down the stretch. Should be fun to watch.
Prescott has struggled of late as has Jalen Hurts. That leaves Brock Purdy as the front-runner.
I'd argue Purdy isn't even the MVP on his own team, let alone the entire league.
In the end someone has to win. Hurts and Prescott have been quite average as of late. Purdy still doing good. Many argue for Mccaffrey and thats valid. I personally would just about always vote QB over RB. Its just more important and way more difficult to play, thus thats why its become a QB award.
Re: 2023 MVP Race
Posted: 24 Dec 2023 15:42
by MY_TAKE
MY_TAKE wrote: ↑24 Dec 2023 15:40
APB wrote: ↑21 Dec 2023 05:45
MY_TAKE wrote: ↑04 Dec 2023 15:27
Prescott and Purdy are probably the favorites right now, but it will matter what happens down the stretch. Should be fun to watch.
Prescott has struggled of late as has Jalen Hurts. That leaves Brock Purdy as the front-runner.
I'd argue Purdy isn't even the MVP on his own team, let alone the entire league.
In the end someone has to win. Hurts and Prescott have been quite average as of late. Purdy still doing good. Many argue for Mccaffrey and thats valid. I personally would just about always vote QB over RB. Its just more important and way more difficult to play, thus thats why its become a QB award.
Tyreek probably has the same argument as Mccaffrey or at least similar.
Re: 2023 MVP Race
Posted: 24 Dec 2023 23:10
by lupedafiasco
I still think it’s either CMC or Lamar. Jackson just lost another RB to injury. His receivers are pretty mediocre IMO and he lost his top target in Andrews halfway through the year. He’s doing the most with the least to me.
CMC should straight up win if it wasn’t a QB award or he was in the game like 25 years ago. He’s still got 3 games to go and has 20 total scores and 1800 total yards.
Re: 2023 MVP Race
Posted: 25 Dec 2023 21:31
by Pckfn23
There goes Purdy for MVP.
Re: 2023 MVP Race
Posted: 25 Dec 2023 21:48
by RingoCStarrQB
Lamar's playing at a Michael Jordan level. McCaffrey is playing at a Larry Bird level. If I had a vote I'd push for Co-MVPs.
Re: 2023 MVP Race
Posted: 25 Dec 2023 21:52
by RingoCStarrQB
Ravens came to play tonight. Niners got humbled.
