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NCF wrote: ↑

07 May 2020 16:06

Waldo wrote: ↑

07 May 2020 15:57

4.6 40 is...not good...for a CB

Weird for a guy with elite jumps in both categories.

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/chandon-sullivan

Eye test says he's not THAT slow. Also, this:

The 2017 NFL Combine proved to be a mixed bag for Sullivan. Fighting through a hamstring injury, Sullivan could only muster a mediocre 4.6 40-yard dash time, but his 40.5 inch vertical leap bested all cornerbacks in Indianapolis. After having to push back his Pro Day, Sullivan vastly improved his 40-yard dash time, and was timed in the 4.48-4.51 range. He was put through positional drills by the San Francisco 49ers and the Eagles. The Georgia State standout was projected to go in the seventh-round.

https://theeagleswire.usatoday.com/2018 ... is-chance/

High 4.4's to 4.5ish can work for a CB with good COD skills and technique. 4.6 just is never going to work for a pro CB.

Waldo wrote: ↑

08 May 2020 08:38

High 4.4's to 4.5ish can work for a CB with good COD skills and technique. 4.6 just is never going to work for a pro CB.

Tramon made a nice career out of his 4.57 speed

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

08 May 2020 08:52

Waldo wrote: ↑

08 May 2020 08:38

High 4.4's to 4.5ish can work for a CB with good COD skills and technique. 4.6 just is never going to work for a pro CB.

Tramon made a nice career out of his 4.57 speed

Like as was pointed out about Sullivan, there were reasons to believe that that number was garbage and that the true number was much lower.

According to his agent, the "open" pro day that his media reported numbers are based on was run on a wet track. He offered to rerun on a different surface (grass) and a handful of teams stuck around, Texans and Packers being two of them, and ran in the low 4.4's. This info from his agent came after he was already GB's nickel CB, there is no real reason to question it like you typically would stuff from agents, since he already had a job with GB and they would know the truth anyway.

Waldo wrote: ↑

08 May 2020 09:03

According to his agent, the "open" pro day that his media reported numbers are based on was run on a wet track. He offered to rerun on a different surface (grass) and a handful of teams stuck around, Texans and Packers being two of them, and ran in the low 4.4's. This info from his agent came after he was already GB's nickel CB, there is no real reason to question it like you typically would stuff from agents, since he already had a job with GB and they would know the truth anyway.

Oh neat! I didn't know that story, for some reason.

That and Tramon never really looked like or played like a slow CB. He was a 4.4's guy by the eye test.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

08 May 2020 09:25

Waldo wrote: ↑

08 May 2020 09:03

According to his agent, the "open" pro day that his media reported numbers are based on was run on a wet track. He offered to rerun on a different surface (grass) and a handful of teams stuck around, Texans and Packers being two of them, and ran in the low 4.4's. This info from his agent came after he was already GB's nickel CB, there is no real reason to question it like you typically would stuff from agents, since he already had a job with GB and they would know the truth anyway.

Oh neat! I didn't know that story, for some reason.

This was not widely reported. You had to be on FootballsFuture during Williams' ascent to know about it.

Waldo wrote: ↑

08 May 2020 12:06

That and Tramon never really looked like or played like a slow CB. He was a 4.4's guy by the eye test.

He got torched by Miles Austin for two deep balls (one TD) that lost us a game against the Cowboys early in his first year as a fulltime player for us, if I remember correctly. I looked at his 40-time and deemed him too slow to survive and wrote him off. Was shocked by his play moving forward, but never properly corrected my assumptions about his speed.