Packers Huddle

Willink wrote: ↑

24 Jan 2024 15:09

packman114 wrote: ↑

24 Jan 2024 09:58

Where did Zimmer learn his defense? Is he a disciple of someone or is he like Fangio and created his own?

Bill Parcells

Spent a lot of time under Marvin Lewis, as well, which of course means he has a lot of Dom Capers influence. Bill Parcells was actually the 4th HC he worked under in Dallas, so I would say Butch Davis and Dave Campo were more influential in defining his style with the Cowboys.

lol I mean...

Belichick looks like he isn't getting much traction yet

What if teams don't want to commit to a guy who might retire in a couple years? Then what does he do?

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

24 Jan 2024 13:14

Something to consider. Would we want Evero if he is only here a year or 2?

Yes, that wouldn't impact my decision at all.

Be nice to change our reputation now from 'fires coordinators' to 'they get HC jobs'. And hate to play that game, but a 3rd round pick I think in back to back years certainly wouldn't hurt now that the curse has been broken.

texas wrote: ↑

24 Jan 2024 15:26

lol I mean...

Belichick looks like he isn't getting much traction yet

What if teams don't want to commit to a guy who might retire in a couple years? Then what does he do?

Or maybe the league knows that the game has surpassed Belichick.

go pak go wrote: ↑

24 Jan 2024 16:22

texas wrote: ↑

24 Jan 2024 15:26

lol I mean...

Belichick looks like he isn't getting much traction yet

What if teams don't want to commit to a guy who might retire in a couple years? Then what does he do?

Or maybe the league knows that the game has surpassed Belichick.

Maybe. But I would still roll the dice on him for Packers DC lol

packman114 wrote: ↑

24 Jan 2024 09:58

Where did Zimmer learn his defense? Is he a disciple of someone or is he like Fangio and created his own?

Everyone has learned and copied from the past coaches.

BF004 wrote: ↑

24 Jan 2024 14:56

Labrev wrote: ↑

24 Jan 2024 13:49

To me, Evero is about as wishful as Vrabel or Belichick. Carolina will block him from DC interviews and he is eying HC positions anyway.

Gotta say if I am him, they pass him up for interim HC and pick Tabor instead, interview him twice for HC and pass him up again. Looking at the state of that franchise, I'd tell them to go pound sand.

if they don’t promote him he will leave regardless

JKB wrote: ↑

24 Jan 2024 16:50

BF004 wrote: ↑

24 Jan 2024 14:56

Labrev wrote: ↑

24 Jan 2024 13:49

To me, Evero is about as wishful as Vrabel or Belichick. Carolina will block him from DC interviews and he is eying HC positions anyway.

Gotta say if I am him, they pass him up for interim HC and pick Tabor instead, interview him twice for HC and pass him up again. Looking at the state of that franchise, I'd tell them to go pound sand.

if they don’t promote him he will leave regardless

I imagine he will exhaust all Head Coaching leads before DC gigs though.

I don't care about man or zone.

I don't care about 3-man front or 4-man front.

I only care that we hire someone whose theory is that we should try to contest forward passes in the air.


This is why I'm so open. Almost every defensive coordinator or scheme prefers to contest passes. Only Barry to my knowledge consistently ran with the idea that you keep everything in front of you and tackle with zero attention paid to the flats or any late leaking players ever.

You can't get worse with the personnel we have. We'll hire someone and people will have reactions and responses. Mine will be relief regardless. I have full faith it's an improvement.

I think the team would play better with no defensive coordinator and the players calling the plays as they see fit than we have done. I'm only sort of kidding. The lack of contesting passes in the first 7 yards of the field regardless of game circumstance was just the absolute worst thing I've ever watched.

I can really let loose with my feelings now that this is officially done and I don't have to guard my emotions against the possibility that Barry is retained so I can *hope* for better.

I copied and pasted my post from another thread

My concern is that LaFleur tends to hire his friends or people he knows above talent and performance. That’s been his pattern with players and coaches.

I understand that he wants someone he can work with and who will be a good fit. People can fool you in interviews. However, the NFL is a small fraternity and LaFleur could ask around about a candidate’s personality. Not a hard task.

I really don’t have a lot of confidence in LaFleur hiring a talented DC. But maybe Matt has grown and learned from his mistakes and will surprise me.

texas wrote: ↑

24 Jan 2024 16:42

go pak go wrote: ↑

24 Jan 2024 16:22

texas wrote: ↑

24 Jan 2024 15:26

lol I mean...

Belichick looks like he isn't getting much traction yet

What if teams don't want to commit to a guy who might retire in a couple years? Then what does he do?

Or maybe the league knows that the game has surpassed Belichick.

Maybe. But I would still roll the dice on him for Packers DC lol

I'd take him in a second for DC. Any smart team would. Bill at half-speed is still better than half the DC's out there. And it would be my nightmare if Green Bay hired him as their DC.

Foosball wrote: ↑

24 Jan 2024 18:15

I copied and pasted my post from another thread

My concern is that LaFleur tends to hire his friends or people he knows above talent and performance. That’s been his pattern with players and coaches.

I understand that he wants someone he can work with and who will be a good fit. People can fool you in interviews. However, the NFL is a small fraternity and LaFleur could ask around about a candidate’s personality. Not a hard task.

I really don’t have a lot of confidence in LaFleur hiring a talented DC. But maybe Matt has grown and learned from his mistakes and will surprise me.

I think that's a bit of a false narrative.

I think I have these facts right, but correct me if I'm wrong.

MLF inherited Pettine. Didn't hire a friend.

He didn't previously know or work with Mo Drayton. Nor did he previously work with Biasciatta.

He wanted the defensive scheme that the Rams had. And Staley had just become a HC and took most of their staff with him.

So yes, he knew and had worked with Barry. But Barry was also one of the very few people available who ran the scheme he liked.

Of course, another was Evo, who got an interview and wasn't hired. So maybe you can say the familiarity was the tie-breaker that led MLF to a worse hire. But one incidence doesn't merit the kind of generalized narrative you're expressing as a trend. Of the coordinator hires he's made outside of offense, Barry is the only one of 3 hires, 4 coordinators (including Pettine)

Nobody would come in on Sunday more prepared than Belicheck. That's for sure. And I even think he would consider the "step down" from GM/HC because he just LIVES for football.

Scott4Pack wrote: ↑

24 Jan 2024 18:33

Nobody would come in on Sunday more prepared than Belicheck. That's for sure. And I even think he would consider the "step down" from GM/HC because he just LIVES for football.

Bill may “live for football” but he’s also chasing Don Shula’s record for most HC wins. Becoming MLFs DC doesn’t get him any closer to catching him.

Besides, I don’t know how any staff could absorb a guy like Belichick as an underling. He’s widely considered among the best to ever do it as HC. Expecting the dynamic to just work with whatever staff he would join is a tough ask.

Any talk of Belichick as an assistant coach is absolute silly season and should not be given credence by any seriously thoughtful reply.

Nonstarter. Out of the question. Off the table. Not an option.

I have a better shot at eating a pack of Skittles outta Doja Cats butthole than we do at getting BB to come here as a DC.

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

24 Jan 2024 19:28

I have a better shot at eating a pack of Skittles outta Doja Cats butthole than we do at getting BB to come here as a DC.

I'd pay to see both. On second thought, well, maybe not the cat's butthole part...........

go pak go wrote: ↑

24 Jan 2024 16:22

texas wrote: ↑

24 Jan 2024 15:26

lol I mean...

Belichick looks like he isn't getting much traction yet

What if teams don't want to commit to a guy who might retire in a couple years? Then what does he do?

Or maybe the league knows that the game has surpassed Belichick.

lol surpassed! lol
BB will never go for anything other than HC.

JKB wrote: ↑

24 Jan 2024 19:31

go pak go wrote: ↑

24 Jan 2024 16:22

texas wrote: ↑

24 Jan 2024 15:26

lol I mean...

Belichick looks like he isn't getting much traction yet

What if teams don't want to commit to a guy who might retire in a couple years? Then what does he do?

Or maybe the league knows that the game has surpassed Belichick.

lol surpassed! lol
BB will never go for anything other than HC.

Never said he wouldn't.

Foosball wrote: ↑

24 Jan 2024 18:15

I copied and pasted my post from another thread

My concern is that LaFleur tends to hire his friends or people he knows above talent and performance. That’s been his pattern with players and coaches.

This really isn’t true.

He’s hired 6 coordinators, Barry was the only one he had previously worked with. And that was 1 year, in 2017. Matt was the OC and Barry was an ILB coach. Hardly a super buddy buddy connection. Totally a stretch to say he tends to do that.

He’s had multiple occasions to bring his brother onto the staff and didn’t.

Not really sure where this stigma comes from.