Packers Huddle

Kraft isn't talking about Love. Odds are he is talking about Musgrave.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2025 11:02

Yoop wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2025 10:39

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2025 10:04

You can't point to a specific instance where you saw these things. That is why it is fictitious.

It happened plenty, people like you that want specifics simply refuse to accept that reality.

If it happened plenty you should have no problem giving us all an example of when it did.

just turn on reruns of this seasons games, and it rears it's ugly head often enough. and the only person asking for specifics is you, to often we looked like a team minus any plan to win minus just running and defense.

I gotta go now, the movie the Good (which was the run and defense) the bad (which was LOve) and the ugly (which basically describes our passing game) is on

Yoop wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2025 12:17

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2025 11:02

Yoop wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2025 10:39

It happened plenty, people like you that want specifics simply refuse to accept that reality.

If it happened plenty you should have no problem giving us all an example of when it did.

just turn on reruns of this seasons games, and it rears it's ugly head often enough. and the only person asking for specifics is you, to often we looked like a team minus any plan to win minus just running and defense.

I gotta go now, the movie the Good (which was the run and defense) the bad (which was LOve) and the ugly (which basically describes our passing game) is on

I don't see anything like what you are describing please be more specific. Can you tell me where we can find this: "Love walks to the side line, head down like a dejected step child."

Acrobat wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2025 09:48

2022 - Rodgers is such a jerk in how he stares WR's down when they screw up.

2025 - I wish Jordan Love would stare WR's down when they screw up.

There is actually a middle ground between these two positions. You can hold people accountable, even sternly, without going to a point where it's counterproductive.

I actually thought that early years Rodgers did the right amount of this. Over time though, he got carried away. Letting everything slide as Love seems to do is too far in the other direction.

Labrev wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2025 12:52

Acrobat wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2025 09:48

2022 - Rodgers is such a jerk in how he stares WR's down when they screw up.

2025 - I wish Jordan Love would stare WR's down when they screw up.

There is actually a middle ground between these two positions. You can hold people accountable, even sternly, without going to a point where it's counterproductive.

I actually thought that early years Rodgers did the right amount of this. Over time though, he got carried away. Letting everything slide as Love seems to do is too far in the other direction.

I think around the year 2012 is where I started to see that change in Rodgers.

In respect to what all of you guys have said, I offer:

1. Go to the list of whom MLF wants to stay in touch with to know the pulse of the lockerroom. Jaire is NOT on that list. It doesn't mean he is a bad guy, just that he doesn't necessarily lead the other guys very much.

2. Guty played his part in talking about the need to focus on it being time to start winning championships. That'll flow down via MLF and the coaches and the leaders in the uniforms. This'll be a memorable detail come next season, seeing what kind of fruit is produced.

3. I have two extended family members who tried out in the NFL as UDFAs. Both of them talked about how they were shocked that more of the "pro" athletes were sort of going through the motions. Maybe they were just "camp bodies" or thought they'd only get one contract, or whatever. The point was that players who were being paid a LOT of money didn't necessarily push out their effort to match. And taking plays off... A very good coach will always know which guys those are and then do something about it. They have to motivate the bottom of the roster and not just the top.

4. I don't read into Kraft's message a lot. We won't ever know specifically who he was talking about or if it was a handful of guys.

5. Remember the way Favre said that it wasn't his job to bring up Rodgers? I just saw a video today of Joe Montana saying the same thing about Steve Young. In fact, he said it was always his job to assure that Young stayed on the bench, so that Montana could keep playing. That's not ego. It's the competitive nature. But for Montana, he didn't limit Young. He just made his case to management that he was still a better QB than Young and let his work speak for itself.

I don't think the current Packers are "soft," as has been the knock on them for a long time. This season they were much more willing to be physical than I have seen in years past, but they have been very undisciplined, and need to become a lot more professional.

Kraft comes from rural America and sounds like he has the wisdom that comes with that, not unlike Mao Tse-tung, who also hailed from the countryside and led a successful revolution (including culturally) in China; I definitely feel like the locker room could use this type of leadership.

Labrev wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2025 16:59

Kraft comes from rural America and sounds like he has the wisdom that comes with that, not unlike Mao Tse-tung, who also hailed from the countryside and led a successful enslavement (including culturally) in China; I definitely feel like the locker room could use this type of leadership.

There. fixed it.
:-)

Good grief!!

musclestang wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2025 05:31

Labrev wrote: ↑

15 Jan 2025 16:39

Tucker Kraft had interesting exit-interview comments that: the team struggled to finish, that one could feel what was brewing, that they learned valuable things about individuals on the team and the way they can impact the team, and that he needs to be a vocal leader.

What do people make of these comments?

I'm 100% comfortable with a guy like Kraft saying it. I hope it pisses off the ones it's supposed to as well and they cause more problems so we can just get them gone. He's 1 of 2 guys that showed up every game to play. You want more of those guys on your team. That guy loves football and you can see the work he puts in every week on game day. I love guys like that. Adams was like that, Rodgers was like that, Jordy was like that. Lots of others, but you get my point.

and this has been an issue spanning seasons. Rodgers alluded to it, we need accountability, we need focus, we need guys to understand their roles etc. Rasul said it, we need accountability, basically saying there are some not doing their work and skating by. We could see it this year. Penalties, presnap, lack of focus, coming out slow, looking completely unprepared to start a football game, week after week. Dropped footballs etc.

For some guys I think it's just who they are and we need to get them gone. For others, I think they were so young they let the press clippings from last year affect their preparation this year. I'm hoping they learned a bit from it and focus more on their craft moving forward.

and for the trouble makers, see ya.

Doesn’t all of this fall of the head coach’s shoulders?

Gunzaan wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2025 19:41

Doesn’t all of this fall of the head coach’s shoulders?

No, it’s everyone. Nobody is perfect. Not player not coach, nobody. We all need nudges, we all need to nudge others. Sometimes we’re our best sometimes not. It’s players holding other players accountable, it’s position coaches doing their jobs, it’s the HC overseeing all of this and the GM with final roster decisions. It’s not as easy as saying it’s the coach, there are a lot of equally important variables

Acrobat wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2025 13:00

Labrev wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2025 12:52

Acrobat wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2025 09:48

2022 - Rodgers is such a jerk in how he stares WR's down when they screw up.

2025 - I wish Jordan Love would stare WR's down when they screw up.

There is actually a middle ground between these two positions. You can hold people accountable, even sternly, without going to a point where it's counterproductive.

I actually thought that early years Rodgers did the right amount of this. Over time though, he got carried away. Letting everything slide as Love seems to do is too far in the other direction.

I think around the year 2012 is where I started to see that change in Rodgers.

ya want to know whats really funny to me, it's that you and others act as though the stare down is actually a bad thing, when it's about as normal a response to failure as any other gesture, and we do that often every time it happens.

and if you ever played high level sports you would know and accept that it is normal, you screw up and you should expect some of it, cause it's coming, Finley and every other receiver that screwed up deserved Rodgers's cold stares, they let down their teammates.

the slogan goes like this, we strive for perfection, hoping to achieve excellence, that requires study and working at your craft, when players fail to do that we all should hold them accountable

musclestang wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2025 22:25

Gunzaan wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2025 19:41

Doesn’t all of this fall of the head coach’s shoulders?

No, it’s everyone. Nobody is perfect. Not player not coach, nobody. We all need nudges, we all need to nudge others. Sometimes we’re our best sometimes not. It’s players holding other players accountable, it’s position coaches doing their jobs, it’s the HC overseeing all of this and the GM with final roster decisions. It’s not as easy as saying it’s the coach, there are a lot of equally important variables

I’d say that all of that falls on the head coach and the culture he brings to the table.

musclestang wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2025 22:25

Gunzaan wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2025 19:41

Doesn’t all of this fall of the head coach’s shoulders?

No, it’s everyone. Nobody is perfect. Not player not coach, nobody. We all need nudges, we all need to nudge others. Sometimes we’re our best sometimes not. It’s players holding other players accountable, it’s position coaches doing their jobs, it’s the HC overseeing all of this and the GM with final roster decisions. It’s not as easy as saying it’s the coach, there are a lot of equally important variables

It is everyone’s job to uphold the standard but it’s gotta be the HC who sets that standard. When LaFleur doesn’t understand basic clock management, throws awful challenge flags, makes some really strange decisions on 4th down, you don’t know your kickers range, etc… the standard coming down from the leader of the team is mistakes, mental errors, and incompetence are ok.

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

18 Jan 2025 10:16

musclestang wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2025 22:25

Gunzaan wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2025 19:41

Doesn’t all of this fall of the head coach’s shoulders?

No, it’s everyone. Nobody is perfect. Not player not coach, nobody. We all need nudges, we all need to nudge others. Sometimes we’re our best sometimes not. It’s players holding other players accountable, it’s position coaches doing their jobs, it’s the HC overseeing all of this and the GM with final roster decisions. It’s not as easy as saying it’s the coach, there are a lot of equally important variables

It is everyone’s job to uphold the standard but it’s gotta be the HC who sets that standard. When LaFleur doesn’t understand basic clock management, throws awful challenge flags, makes some really strange decisions on 4th down, you don’t know your kickers range, etc… the standard coming down from the leader of the team is mistakes, mental errors, and incompetence are ok.

I think about the situation this season like a day care center, in that it becomes really hard to concentrate on outside issues when so many of the brats need there diaper changed at the same time

we had mis cues, multiple screw-ups on the same plays, that's un nerving for a coach, and again I think Lafleur had to many voices in his ear, that's also distracting.

course these are just my own impressions, Matt hasn't emailed me with the facts concerning these opinions,

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

18 Jan 2025 10:16

musclestang wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2025 22:25

Gunzaan wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2025 19:41

Doesn’t all of this fall of the head coach’s shoulders?

No, it’s everyone. Nobody is perfect. Not player not coach, nobody. We all need nudges, we all need to nudge others. Sometimes we’re our best sometimes not. It’s players holding other players accountable, it’s position coaches doing their jobs, it’s the HC overseeing all of this and the GM with final roster decisions. It’s not as easy as saying it’s the coach, there are a lot of equally important variables

It is everyone’s job to uphold the standard but it’s gotta be the HC who sets that standard. When LaFleur doesn’t understand basic clock management, throws awful challenge flags, makes some really strange decisions on 4th down, you don’t know your kickers range, etc… the standard coming down from the leader of the team is mistakes, mental errors, and incompetence are ok.

Agreed and well put.

If there is no accountability, it’s the same old laissez faire attitude.

Yoop wrote: ↑

18 Jan 2025 08:09

Acrobat wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2025 13:00

Labrev wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2025 12:52

There is actually a middle ground between these two positions. You can hold people accountable, even sternly, without going to a point where it's counterproductive.

I actually thought that early years Rodgers did the right amount of this. Over time though, he got carried away. Letting everything slide as Love seems to do is too far in the other direction.

I think around the year 2012 is where I started to see that change in Rodgers.

ya want to know whats really funny to me, it's that you and others act as though the stare down is actually a bad thing, when it's about as normal a response to failure as any other gesture, and we do that often every time it happens.

and if you ever played high level sports you would know and accept that it is normal, you screw up and you should expect some of it, cause it's coming, Finley and every other receiver that screwed up deserved Rodgers's cold stares, they let down their teammates.

the slogan goes like this, we strive for perfection, hoping to achieve excellence, that requires study and working at your craft, when players fail to do that we all should hold them accountable

Yeah but Rodgers was a dick about it. You can hold your teammates accountable without being toxic.

Acrobat wrote: ↑

20 Jan 2025 09:54

Yoop wrote: ↑

18 Jan 2025 08:09

Acrobat wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2025 13:00

I think around the year 2012 is where I started to see that change in Rodgers.

ya want to know whats really funny to me, it's that you and others act as though the stare down is actually a bad thing, when it's about as normal a response to failure as any other gesture, and we do that often every time it happens.

and if you ever played high level sports you would know and accept that it is normal, you screw up and you should expect some of it, cause it's coming, Finley and every other receiver that screwed up deserved Rodgers's cold stares, they let down their teammates.

the slogan goes like this, we strive for perfection, hoping to achieve excellence, that requires study and working at your craft, when players fail to do that we all should hold them accountable

Yeah but Rodgers was a dick about it. You can hold your teammates accountable without being toxic.

that's your perception, in reality it was with players that continued to screw up, and it is what Kraft is probably talking about, lack of accountability, we should hope and expect our better players, as well as our coaches, hold players, all players accountable to train and work hard to be better.

Yoop wrote: ↑

20 Jan 2025 10:30

Acrobat wrote: ↑

20 Jan 2025 09:54

Yoop wrote: ↑

18 Jan 2025 08:09

ya want to know whats really funny to me, it's that you and others act as though the stare down is actually a bad thing, when it's about as normal a response to failure as any other gesture, and we do that often every time it happens.

and if you ever played high level sports you would know and accept that it is normal, you screw up and you should expect some of it, cause it's coming, Finley and every other receiver that screwed up deserved Rodgers's cold stares, they let down their teammates.

the slogan goes like this, we strive for perfection, hoping to achieve excellence, that requires study and working at your craft, when players fail to do that we all should hold them accountable

Yeah but Rodgers was a dick about it. You can hold your teammates accountable without being toxic.

that's your perception, in reality it was with players that continued to screw up, and it is what Kraft is probably talking about, lack of accountability, we should hope and expect our better players, as well as our coaches, hold players, all players accountable to train and work hard to be better.

When I asked two weeks what is was you wanted when you said "no excuses" and the coaches owned up to their mistake to show accountability...I never got an answer.

Is staring at the guy who screwed up the valid accountability for you?

go pak go wrote: ↑

20 Jan 2025 11:11

Yoop wrote: ↑

20 Jan 2025 10:30

Acrobat wrote: ↑

20 Jan 2025 09:54

Yeah but Rodgers was a dick about it. You can hold your teammates accountable without being toxic.

that's your perception, in reality it was with players that continued to screw up, and it is what Kraft is probably talking about, lack of accountability, we should hope and expect our better players, as well as our coaches, hold players, all players accountable to train and work hard to be better.

When I asked two weeks what is was you wanted when you said "no excuses" and the coaches owned up to their mistake to show accountability...I never got an answer.

Is staring at the guy who screwed up the valid accountability for you?

what kind of idiotic question is that GPG? it is an expression of dislike, when a co-worker gives you a stern look, do you just brush that off? or do you evaluate your actions, of course, I'd expect that you do the later, just as most people should, and that's what Rodgers was hoping the response would be.

I can't believe some of the BS people are saying about Rodgers and his desire over the years to improve this team, just blatent hate.

I didn't hear the coaches interviews 2 weeks ago, and I still believe excuses have been used that are not valid, how after 2 years are receivers running routes wrong, how/why after a whole year in Hafley's defenses are we seeing completely open, basically abandoned zones, or such hap hazard effort rushing the QB.

I think Lafleur needs to 1. demand accountability, 2. select better coaching assistants that will also demand accountability, personally I understand how youngsters need constant prodding or they will resort to the same &%$@ they always got away with, which is actually what I think Kraft was referring to.

I don't like some of the things Lafleur, his coaches, or what Gute have done, that doesn't mean I want them fired, it just means I don't think they are perfect.

why that seems to upset people here just boggles the mind