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I know it's a tired excuse but it is also a fact. We have had the youngest roster in the league for 2 years by a lot. Young players make mistakes, and Bisaccia was trying to work within that philosophy. He did bring Nixon with him and despite the fumble, has brought us a much better return game then we had seen since Desmond Howard. Even Reed looked better this year on punt returns. I like having one coach who has been around the league for awhile just to give MLF a different perspective on things.

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packman114 wrote:
28 Jan 2025 07:18
I know it's a tired excuse but it is also a fact. We have had the youngest roster in the league for 2 years by a lot. Young players make mistakes, and Bisaccia was trying to work within that philosophy. He did bring Nixon with him and despite the fumble, has brought us a much better return game then we had seen since Desmond Howard. Even Reed looked better this year on punt returns. I like having one coach who has been around the league for awhile just to give MLF a different perspective on things.
Our return game was abysmal this year. Part of it was the rules. But Nixon's longest was 43 so there was no benefit for the risk of bringing it out. Reed left a ton of yards on the field by fair catching when nobody was within 20 yards of him. All in all it was a horrible return year.

Cobb's rookie year was the best since Howard and MM shut him down because he was too valuable. We wasted a returner when returns were possible.

Having a coach around who's seen everything can be valuable, but we didn't see much value on the field.

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The other reason I don't hate this as much as it feels like I should is because I don't have much faith in our ability to hire a good st coach. We are more likely to hire a Drayton or Menenga than a Rizzi.
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Labrev wrote:
28 Jan 2025 08:56
The other reason I don't hate this as much as it feels like I should is because I don't have much faith in our ability to hire a good st coach. We are more likely to hire a Drayton or Menenga than a Rizzi.
Could have had Rizzi too but the Packers were too cheap and offered him a below market deal. And thats how we ended up with Drayton and Menenga. Almost like we learned nothing from having the leagues worst STs coach in 2014 that cost us an NFC Championship game in Ron Zook.

Ultimately you get what you pay for... unless you make Rich Bisaccia the highest paid STs coordinator in the league when hes always coached middle of the pack STs units. Then you get less than you paid for. But hey extend him and reward mediocrity. Accountability right?
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lupedafiasco wrote:
27 Jan 2025 15:56
That’s wild to me that they extend Bisaccia for leading a really underachieving STs unit this year. Had snaps, bad kickers, bad coverages, poor return decisions. Best thing he did was scheme up a block against the Bears that prevented from going defeated in the division.
LS is a need but we fixed the kicking situation (let's hope we don't let him get away). Other than that one TD against Chicago I thought ST coverages improved and we didn't hold on every stickin' return.

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The best news so far this offseason is Hafley is still around. :pray:

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packman114 wrote:
28 Jan 2025 07:18
I know it's a tired excuse but it is also a fact. We have had the youngest roster in the league for 2 years by a lot. Young players make mistakes, and Bisaccia was trying to work within that philosophy. He did bring Nixon with him and despite the fumble, has brought us a much better return game then we had seen since Desmond Howard. Even Reed looked better this year on punt returns. I like having one coach who has been around the league for awhile just to give MLF a different perspective on things.
My thoughts as well. You can only work with what you have. I don't assume we will continually have the youngest roster in the league.

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Pugger wrote:
28 Jan 2025 12:29
The best news so far this offseason is Hafley is still around. :pray:
And the worst news so far this offseason is ____________________ is still around. :rotf:

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lupedafiasco wrote:
28 Jan 2025 10:17
Labrev wrote:
28 Jan 2025 08:56
The other reason I don't hate this as much as it feels like I should is because I don't have much faith in our ability to hire a good st coach. We are more likely to hire a Drayton or Menenga than a Rizzi.
Could have had Rizzi too but the Packers were too cheap and offered him a below market deal. And thats how we ended up with Drayton and Menenga. Almost like we learned nothing from having the leagues worst STs coach in 2014 that cost us an NFC Championship game in Ron Zook.

Ultimately you get what you pay for... unless you make Rich Bisaccia the highest paid STs coordinator in the league when hes always coached middle of the pack STs units. Then you get less than you paid for. But hey extend him and reward mediocrity. Accountability right?
Please get your terrible Packer Special Teams coaches straight Lupe.

2014 was Shawn Slocum.

The Special Teams performance was so, so bad in the 2014 NFC Championship game that McCarthy had no choice but to finally fire his buddy RC's boy only to replace him with the nearly as bad Ron Zook. Then, when LaFleur was told Rizzi cost too much, it was on to Shawn Mennenga who was fired after two seasons and never heard from in the NFL again. He was followed by Mo Drayton whose 2021 Special Teams unit was truly one for the history books. He was fired after his his unit was somehow worse in the 2021 playoff loss to the 49er than Slocum's unit was in the 2014 loss to the Seahawks.

Sure, Bisaccia has been mediocre, at best, but can anyone really argue that he has not been a better Special Teams Coordinator than Slocum, Zook, Mennenga, and Drayton?

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Madcity_matt wrote:
28 Jan 2025 12:53
packman114 wrote:
28 Jan 2025 07:18
I know it's a tired excuse but it is also a fact. We have had the youngest roster in the league for 2 years by a lot. Young players make mistakes, and Bisaccia was trying to work within that philosophy. He did bring Nixon with him and despite the fumble, has brought us a much better return game then we had seen since Desmond Howard. Even Reed looked better this year on punt returns. I like having one coach who has been around the league for awhile just to give MLF a different perspective on things.
My thoughts as well. You can only work with what you have. I don't assume we will continually have the youngest roster in the league.
ST's is were youth becomes exposed the most, teams is made up mostly of positional backups, mostly 3 or 4th string players, mistakes are expected to happen, we got the kicking fixed, and coverage was usually fairly good.

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All the excuses being tossed about for why the Packers ST is consistently bad. Am I to believe other teams don't have the same challebges? They don't use their backups? Their young players? Constantly shuffling as players come and go due to injury/roster turnover?

How are the Packers struggles any different than any other team?
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They aren't. The continued selection of coaches and players who lack the mental capacity to perform are reasons 1 & 2 as to why they always suck.

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APB wrote:
29 Jan 2025 17:35
All the excuses being tossed about for why the Packers ST is consistently bad. Am I to believe other teams don't have the same challebges? They don't use their backups? Their young players? Constantly shuffling as players come and go due to injury/roster turnover?

How are the Packers struggles any different than any other team?
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They aren't. The continued selection of coaches and players who lack the mental capacity to perform are reasons 1 & 2 as to why they always suck.
well the revolving door of ST's coaches hasn't changed much, so that doesn't seem like a cure, and just maybe other teams keep a few more vets than we do, everyone wants to hold Bissacia accountable or replaced, personally, I doubt that solves this problem

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Keisean Nixon wants to be done returning kicks, and not just because the two-time All-Pro return man fumbled the opening kickoff in the Green Bay Packers' playoff loss to the Philadelphia Eagles on Sunday.

Instead, he wants to focus full time on his defensive duties as cornerback. And not just any cornerback.

"I want to be CB1," Nixon said Monday as players cleaned out their lockers for the offseason. "CB1 is not doing kick returns. That's just what it is."
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NCF wrote:
30 Jan 2025 09:32
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Keisean Nixon wants to be done returning kicks, and not just because the two-time All-Pro return man fumbled the opening kickoff in the Green Bay Packers' playoff loss to the Philadelphia Eagles on Sunday.

Instead, he wants to focus full time on his defensive duties as cornerback. And not just any cornerback.

"I want to be CB1," Nixon said Monday as players cleaned out their lockers for the offseason. "CB1 is not doing kick returns. That's just what it is."
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/433 ... turn-kicks
He said this the day after the Eagles game. Might be frustration, might not be.
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I like Nixon in that he seems to want to play football and apparently works hard and is liked in the locker room. But he's not all that IMO. He makes plays and gives up plays and nothing really stands out to me.

Beginning of last year he was going set all the return records, now this year he wants out.

he wasn't a and isn't a CB1. Sorry. Nothing has shown me he is. In fact I think he could be replaced by half the DB's in the league that regularly play right now. I'm not saying he's garbage and should be gone, but he's a guy teams have on their rosters all over the league at best.

he's not the first guy in the defensive backfield I'm looking to get rid of and replace, but depending on the Jaire situation and how it plays out, but he's 2nd or 3rd on my list of guys to upgrade (excluding developmental guys) back there.

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Pckfn23 wrote:
30 Jan 2025 09:40
NCF wrote:
30 Jan 2025 09:32
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Keisean Nixon wants to be done returning kicks, and not just because the two-time All-Pro return man fumbled the opening kickoff in the Green Bay Packers' playoff loss to the Philadelphia Eagles on Sunday.

Instead, he wants to focus full time on his defensive duties as cornerback. And not just any cornerback.

"I want to be CB1," Nixon said Monday as players cleaned out their lockers for the offseason. "CB1 is not doing kick returns. That's just what it is."
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/433 ... turn-kicks
He said this the day after the Eagles game. Might be frustration, might not be.
Reading between the lines, it also suggests how Nixon feels about Jaire's future in GB.
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Nixon is a better boundary corner than slot corner. Thought he really struggled in the slot but actually did pretty well on the boundary.

I think Nixon can be a decent #2 boundary corner. You don't want him to be your flagship guy but at his price, I think the value is certainly there for a 2nd boundary corner.

I also don't hate him wanting to be taken off KR duties. He provides occasional spark but overall we would be better off to just start at the 30 each time.
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NCF wrote:
30 Jan 2025 10:02
Pckfn23 wrote:
30 Jan 2025 09:40
He said this the day after the Eagles game. Might be frustration, might not be.
Reading between the lines, it also suggests how Nixon feels about Jaire's future in GB.
first thing I thought of too, it seems he's saying we'll soon have an opening for a #1 cover guy, and I hope it becomes my job, if true he already knows Alexander won't be here next season.

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