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so what, isn't it normal for people to have reservations when a new player takes over for a long tenure vet like Mathews, you act as though fans shouldn't have emotional ties to past players they came to like.
Graham was supposed to wash the stink off of number 80 from Martellus Bennett, but turns out he was almost just as bad.Pugger wrote: ↑03 Dec 2020 11:13
He literally quit the team after Rodgers went down. We sued him because he broke our contract with a bogus injury but instead had to pay dead cap to the a$$ hat and it reduced our cap.German_Panzer wrote: ↑04 Dec 2020 00:16Post by German_Panzer » 04 Dec 2020 00:16
Pure deep threats are no threats at all. This is why Janis never made it, this is why MVS is still work in progress. As a CB you just give them 3-4 more yards, end of it. The problem is the guy that is a deep threat and can do the shorter routes as well. Imagine Adams with the speed of MVS. That's some threat that keeps you awake at night. Greg Jennings come to my mind.
I forgot why we hate Bennett: did he speak bad about the Pack or what was the problem back then?
Yeah that dude was a turd sandwich.go pak go wrote: ↑04 Dec 2020 06:35He literally quit the team after Rodgers went down. We sued him because he broke our contract with a bogus injury but instead had to pay dead cap to the a$$ hat and it reduced our cap.German_Panzer wrote: ↑04 Dec 2020 00:16Post by German_Panzer » 04 Dec 2020 00:16
Pure deep threats are no threats at all. This is why Janis never made it, this is why MVS is still work in progress. As a CB you just give them 3-4 more yards, end of it. The problem is the guy that is a deep threat and can do the shorter routes as well. Imagine Adams with the speed of MVS. That's some threat that keeps you awake at night. Greg Jennings come to my mind.
I forgot why we hate Bennett: did he speak bad about the Pack or what was the problem back then?
The true value of a deep threat is what he forces the Safety to do. That's why the call it " taking the top off a defense"German_Panzer wrote: ↑04 Dec 2020 00:16Pure deep threats are no threats at all. This is why Janis never made it, this is why MVS is still work in progress. As a CB you just give them 3-4 more yards, end of it.
Yes, but it has to be a viable deep threat. Pretty much every team has a player that can run. If they guy can’t catch or the offense shows they aren’t willing to throw to said burner, the defense will defend him with the obligatory single defender and forget him. MVS is showing this year that he requires more attention than that and, as you rightly point out, that has significant secondary effects.BSA wrote: ↑04 Dec 2020 22:30The true value of a deep threat is what he forces the Safety to do. That's why the call it " taking the top off a defense"German_Panzer wrote: ↑04 Dec 2020 00:16Pure deep threats are no threats at all. This is why Janis never made it, this is why MVS is still work in progress. As a CB you just give them 3-4 more yards, end of it.
By forcing one safety to babysit the deep threat:
He can't help as much on the other side of the field
He can't play in the box or run blitz as often
It limits the DCs calls and gives easier reads to the QB
A true deep threat is a valuable chess piece even if that WR doesn't have great production himself. That's why every team covets one
I think it's pretty cool that MVS has this monster game, and honestly was close to being REALLY monstrous game in Indy and then the following week is never targeted, but at the same time our underneath game and run game absolutely shredded a really good defense.APB wrote: ↑05 Dec 2020 07:09Yes, but it has to be a viable deep threat. Pretty much every team has a player that can run. If they guy can’t catch or the offense shows they aren’t willing to throw to said burner, the defense will defend him with the obligatory single defender and forget him. MVS is showing this year that he requires more attention than that and, as you rightly point out, that has significant secondary effects.BSA wrote: ↑04 Dec 2020 22:30The true value of a deep threat is what he forces the Safety to do. That's why the call it " taking the top off a defense"German_Panzer wrote: ↑04 Dec 2020 00:16Pure deep threats are no threats at all. This is why Janis never made it, this is why MVS is still work in progress. As a CB you just give them 3-4 more yards, end of it.
By forcing one safety to babysit the deep threat:
He can't help as much on the other side of the field
He can't play in the box or run blitz as often
It limits the DCs calls and gives easier reads to the QB
A true deep threat is a valuable chess piece even if that WR doesn't have great production himself. That's why every team covets one
who here isn't incredibly excited for this offense? really? sure I'd be more excited if JUstin Jefferson had been drafted instead of Love, who here wouldn't be even more excited if that where the case.go pak go wrote: ↑05 Dec 2020 08:02I think it's pretty cool that MVS has this monster game, and honestly was close to being REALLY monstrous game in Indy and then the following week is never targeted, but at the same time our underneath game and run game absolutely shredded a really good defense.APB wrote: ↑05 Dec 2020 07:09Yes, but it has to be a viable deep threat. Pretty much every team has a player that can run. If they guy can’t catch or the offense shows they aren’t willing to throw to said burner, the defense will defend him with the obligatory single defender and forget him. MVS is showing this year that he requires more attention than that and, as you rightly point out, that has significant secondary effects.BSA wrote: ↑04 Dec 2020 22:30
The true value of a deep threat is what he forces the Safety to do. That's why the call it " taking the top off a defense"
By forcing one safety to babysit the deep threat:
He can't help as much on the other side of the field
He can't play in the box or run blitz as often
It limits the DCs calls and gives easier reads to the QB
A true deep threat is a valuable chess piece even if that WR doesn't have great production himself. That's why every team covets one
Like that should make us incredible excited for this offense.
I think MVS is on the fringe of being a true deep threat WR and I say that mostly because of the respect he has been getting as of late from opposing DCs. This isn't the same as running Jeff Janis or Trevor Davis deep but it certainly doesn't bring back memories of Jordy Nelson, yet, either. Very slowly, I think he is becoming a threat and apparently, even with modest production, so do NFL defenses.Yoop wrote: ↑05 Dec 2020 08:12who here isn't incredibly excited for this offense? really? sure I'd be more excited if JUstin Jefferson had been drafted instead of Love, who here wouldn't be even more excited if that where the case.
APB is right, if MVS isn't productive deep then safety's will flow to protect against players that are, that we where successful with short or intermediate routes as a result of MVS prior play wont be sustainable unless he continues to be, which I'am hopeful he will be.
actually I think what helped our success the most was coming out and successfully running the ball, it helped our play action and Chicago loaded the box and still could not stop it, that was a huge statement right there.