Hypothetical: Aaron Jones, JJ Watt or Another?

[Ghost_Lombardi]

A rookie, Dillon, averages 5.3 yards per in our offense.

Williams, who really has no burst or second level speed, averaged 4.2, just short of his career high.

People high on Jones are discounting the quality of our OL and the fact that the game's best passer and QB play for GB too.

There is no reason to pay 8+ million for a guy whose production can be replaced via the draft and/or a low level FA signing. Duke Johnson is more than capable of producing in this offense, and that is just one example.

[Yoop]

Still don't want Jones.

we Know, you have made it perfectly clear that your fine sending 1500 yrds of production elsewhere for basically
what amounts to a 5 th round pick, how do you expect to replace that for 8 mil bucks.

With Dillon and a draft pick or UDFA.

Jones really isn't special. We're just do used to mediocre we think he is.

come on, you don't seriously expect me to buy that do you, you act as though this is my very first merry go round, lis, wee've drafted about 15 RB's in the last doz years, and have Lacy and Jones that a person could call a bell cow, feature RB, the rest are mostly just platooners, and Dillon is a lesser version of Lacy, and there is NO ONE that compares to Jones.

we had about 2000 yrd production at RB last year, and Jones accounted for 3/4 ths of it, good luck thinking Dillon and some draft pick will replace that, don't see it myself.

[NCF]

it's the last season for MVS, Brown, Lazard, to.

Lazard will be a RFA next year, though, so we can easily hang on to him for two more seasons. That gives us some stability, but obviously we will have the immediate need next year to replace MVS' speed. You're right about EQ, but at this point, who cares?

[NCF]

There is no reason to pay 8+ million for a guy whose production can be replaced via the draft and/or a low level FA signing. Duke Johnson is more than capable of producing in this offense, and that is just one example.

It will be very interesting to see what Gute does. I definitely do not agree with you on the production part of it and I am so on the fence on the finance part of it. I initially thought $8M for Jones was absolutely a no brainer. As tight as money could end up being, I don't feel as strongly anymore. I certainly will not be disappointed if Gute makes that call, though. I think $8M is pretty fair value for what we can expect to get for 1 more season of Aaron Jones.

[Yoop]

it's the last season for MVS, Brown, Lazard, to.

Lazard will be a RFA next year, though, so we can easily hang on to him for two more seasons. That gives us some stability, but obviously we will have the immediate need next year to replace MVS' speed. You're right about EQ, but at this point, who cares?

good news with Lazard, just shows that we need to draft a receiver or 2, plus if we should end up losing Jones, as I said before it's partly why I wanted a high receiver in the draft last year, we can't just rely on Adams. Brown showed excellent potential, but it didn't materialize into quality production.

[go pak go]

Still don't want Jones.

we Know, you have made it perfectly clear that your fine sending 1500 yrds of production elsewhere for basically
what amounts to a 5 th round pick, how do you expect to replace that for 8 mil bucks.

With Dillon and a draft pick or UDFA.

Jones really isn't special. We're just do used to mediocre we think he is.

[TheSkeptic]

Jones is special - but just very good as a runner. He is special because he is also very good as a receiver.

[YoHoChecko]

I mean Jones is special because he has a nose for the end zone, capable at all skills, and knows the offense/has Rodgers' trust.

You can find a rookie who is capable in the rushing and passing game. But you can't find a rookie who knows the offense and has Rodgers' trust. That genuinely matters. Rodgers decides before almost every play if he'll go with run or pass based on what the defense shows him. He trusts Jones to get it done when the look calls for a run. Continuity matters for a reason. Our offense will be less explosive if we lose Jones. The key is finding other ways to replicate that, if not from the RB1 position.

Like I said, I like Dillon a lot. But the offense needs more than one playmaker.

[lupedafiasco]

I mean Jones is special because he has a nose for the end zone, capable at all skills, and knows the offense/has Rodgers' trust.

You can find a rookie who is capable in the rushing and passing game. But you can't find a rookie who knows the offense and has Rodgers' trust. That genuinely matters. Rodgers decides before almost every play if he'll go with run or pass based on what the defense shows him. He trusts Jones to get it done when the look calls for a run. Continuity matters for a reason. Our offense will be less explosive if we lose Jones. The key is finding other ways to replicate that, if not from the RB1 position.

Like I said, I like Dillon a lot. But the offense needs more than one playmaker.

You also cant find a veteran coming off a big pay day thats worth it at the RB position.

[Pugger]

For you guys who prefer JJ, just tell me that you are accepting that he is a risk to miss a significant part of the season due to injury/wear and tear. He isn't getting any younger. He is still an incredible talent. But you have to admit that it's a risk to sign him, that he won't be injured again and miss 4-8 games.

I just don't see that the comparison between keeping JJ and AJ is equal, as this injury risk for JJ is much higher than for AJ.

I'm not saying to stay away from JJ. I'm just saying that the injury history on him is a significant factor in how you make your decision.

As much as I'd LOVE to have JJ, I have a hard time getting past his injuries now. I'd rather have that cog on defense. But I'll take AJ on this one. If this would've been a (hypothetical) consideration five years ago, I'd be on the JJ train all day.

With JJ off the market and for what AZ is gonna pay him I say tag Jones all day long. AJ is perfect for this offense IMO. We can find a partner for Z later in FA or the draft.

[Scott4Pack]

I just don't see that the comparison between keeping JJ and AJ is equal, as this injury risk for JJ is much higher than for AJ.

Is it?

J.J. Watt has started all 16 games 2 of the last 3 seasons. Aaron Jones has started 16 games 1 of the last 3 seasons.

I would be OK with saying J.J. Watt is a bit more of an injury risk due to his age, but definitely not much higher.

That's fine. It's a perspective thing, I suppose. Part of the deal with JJ is also his age. You wonder if his older age will make him more likely to be hurt. But like somebody else said in this thread, elite guys are also more likely to play well beyond the average retirement age of other players. That could be a potential plus.

[Scott4Pack]

For you guys who prefer JJ, just tell me that you are accepting that he is a risk to miss a significant part of the season due to injury/wear and tear. He isn't getting any younger. He is still an incredible talent. But you have to admit that it's a risk to sign him, that he won't be injured again and miss 4-8 games.

I just don't see that the comparison between keeping JJ and AJ is equal, as this injury risk for JJ is much higher than for AJ.

I'm not saying to stay away from JJ. I'm just saying that the injury history on him is a significant factor in how you make your decision.

As much as I'd LOVE to have JJ, I have a hard time getting past his injuries now. I'd rather have that cog on defense. But I'll take AJ on this one. If this would've been a (hypothetical) consideration five years ago, I'd be on the JJ train all day.

With JJ off the market and for what AZ is gonna pay him I say tag Jones all day long. AJ is perfect for this offense IMO. We can find a partner for Z later in FA or the draft.

I hope that you're right. But I kinda wonder about that. If Preston Smith is likely to be cut...

What if we compared 1) keeping Preston, versus 2) whatever potential player might replace him. If that "potential" player is an FA, it's probably likely that he will not be elite. He'll probably be good but not spectacular, kinda like PS, but at a lower price tag. So, what's the likelihood of that? Are we now thinking that the perceived cost of dumping Preston's contract is not likely to replace him with a quality player? If so, then we need to hit in the draft.

[Ghost_Lombardi]

Gary replaces P Smith.

[Drj820]

I must just a much lower view than most of JJ Watt, and a much higher view of Aaron Jones than many. I see Jones as a dynamic runner that is hard to bring down, has a nose for the end zone, good receiver, someone that forces the defense to consider them, and pass blocks pretty well. A pretty valuable guy to have on the roster in my opinion!

[packman114]

Jones seems to be a perfect fit for this offense and add on his demeanor and locker room presence and he is special. Unfortunately in today's NFL someone is going to throw ridiculous money at him and we simply cannot afford it. RB's are replaceable in today's NFL. Sometimes it takes two to replace one but the production is replaceable. Williams is the more doable option and Dillon/Williams/Ervin or a James White type will probably give us the same numbers as this past season for less money.

[Yoop]

cripes I tried to change my vote, and walla, it's locked me out, so this is one of the polls where you don't get to change your mind

[TheSkeptic]

If the Packers don't keep Jones they almost must resign Williams. If you subtract the salary they must pay to keep Williams from the tag for Jones, he is even more affordable.

So what is the downside? That Jones is pissed? So what, he is still a multimillionaire paid higher than most of the team. The rest of the team wants a SB ring, this improves their chances. A SB ring makes everyone on the team more valuable when they hit FA. And if Jones holds out he does not get paid and goes into FA a year later a year older and out of football shape.

What is the downside?

[Pugger]

If the Packers don't keep Jones they almost must resign Williams. If you subtract the salary they must pay to keep Williams from the tag for Jones, he is even more affordable.

So what is the downside? That Jones is pissed? So what, he is still a multimillionaire paid higher than most of the team. The rest of the team wants a SB ring, this improves their chances. A SB ring makes everyone on the team more valuable when they hit FA. And if Jones holds out he does not get paid and goes into FA a year later a year older and out of football shape.

What is the downside?

AJ has what you cannot teach. As much as I like Williams he just doesn't have the vision Jones does so if we have to choose I'd tag Jones for one year and let him go in 2022. We should draft another RB later in this upcoming draft. Perhaps we'll find another gem like we did in Jones and Williams back in 2017.

[APB]

If the Packers don't keep Jones they almost must resign Williams. If you subtract the salary they must pay to keep Williams from the tag for Jones, he is even more affordable.

So what is the downside? That Jones is pissed? So what, he is still a multimillionaire paid higher than most of the team. The rest of the team wants a SB ring, this improves their chances. A SB ring makes everyone on the team more valuable when they hit FA. And if Jones holds out he does not get paid and goes into FA a year later a year older and out of football shape.

What is the downside?

Jones played well for the team. Jones was a good teammate and citizen. Jones did not pitch a fuss playing on a rookie 5th rd contract while providing top end production.

The downside is you have a player who way outperformed his rookie contract and when it came time to reap the reward, the Packers balked. At least that is what the locker room will see. It’s a reputation that lingers and certainly not conducive to signing/drawing in other players and has a high potential direct negative effect on the culture of the organization.

[Christo]

Jones is special - but just very good as a runner. He is special because he is also very good as a receiver.

I was going to make the same point. It's crazy for some to say that Jones is " easily replaceable " makes no sense.
Do i think he's back next year, no. But whoever is going to be in the backfield has some big shoes to fill.