We will have to see. I really think Dillon will be heavily involved and potentially even our lead RB. The way they used Jones and Dillon together against the LA Rams in that play-off game very well could be an offensive blueprint going forward. As much as I covet a Deebo Samuel type for that jet motion position, maybe we can add a mid-to-late round guy with some speed to add an element, but really, maybe Jones does a lot more things to stretch a defense if you use him and Dillon together.lupedafiasco wrote: ↑14 Mar 2021 22:08Now essentially the first four rounds of last years draft are bench players for the foreseeable future.
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No you have good point. I think it would be interesting to know the difference of our original offer to Jones with is old agent vs now. Like we did we just offer that much less guaranteed money?Yoop wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021 08:38OK then I guess I should have said it's a good thing we where able to sign him prior to FA so we didn't get caught up with a bidding war, if we weren't worried that Jones would get away as the offers went higher then we would have let him test the market and matched the offers, we didn't because the outside money was likely to go up.go pak go wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021 08:20Literally no twisting of word here.Yoop wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021 07:49your just twisting words now GPG, FA starts Wednesday, Jones and Rosenhaus heard offers, but never stuck there foot in the water because Jones wanted to remain a Packer, thats Jones taking a lesser contract for the familiararity of scheme and team mates over ???? Dollars more on the market.
we didn't tag him because players resent being tagged, it robs them of money and the possible future should they be hurt, and sends a poor picture of how our FO operates.
I was not fooled a bit that teams talk privately prior to FA, heck the best of the best are signed up ten minutes after FA starts, this isn't my first tetter totter ride bro.
This statement is what Salmar was talking about. We didn't NOT let Aaron Jones hit the FA to prevent his price tag going up a couple million. If that was the case, then Rosenhause is the worst agent ever and Jones is stupid.
Jones took what he saw was in the ballpark of his market value in 2021 and likely took a discount because he loved being a Packer. It was nothing to do with the Packers not letting him hit FA.
If anything, we let him hit FA and allowed Aaron Jones to make the decision for himself and he chose the Packers and that's awesome because now we have a happy RB and keep our reputation as an organization a solid one by not tagging players and keeping them hostage.
I don't think Packers fans could have asked for much better of an outcome.
and your wrong again, we did not let him hit FA, this is becoming beyond ignorant now, here is what you/we dont know, How much was our original offer to Jones, and when did it become 12 mil. annual with 13 mil guaranteed, I'd think it was shortly after we realized he was being offered that and more from other teams, that he decided to take our final offer is Jones doing both himself and the team a smart and team friendly deal.
Is it as you said, that we upped our offer? Or did Jones and Rose see other offers and lowered their expectations significantly and went back to the Packers and said we will take X?
I am honestly really surprised that Aaron Jones decided to stay with us.
Isn't he amazing?
His one yesterday was really, really good too.
I am so excited to see how MLF shapes this offense this year with Deguara, Dillon, Adams, Jones, MVS, Lazard, Tonyan.
This is a legit offense guys.
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This is a pleasant surprise to me. Jones is a smart man, on any other team they would have worn him out in 2 years. Here he gets to split with Dillon. Here he gets to be a WR half the time and likely will finish this contract as a Packer.
I would have preferred to keep Linsley but I was afraid they would not be able to keep either.
Bad news for Williams and Fuchness
I would have preferred to keep Linsley but I was afraid they would not be able to keep either.
Bad news for Williams and Fuchness
I agree imo Jones ability is key to forcing defenses to play single high and loading up the box to stop him, it opens open our ability to pass, I didn't think we'd be able to bring him back, but so glad that we did.
Dillon will have more experience, so both he and Jones in the backfield should allow more diversity with the offense.
Fuchness? What's a Fuchness?TheSkeptic wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021 09:26This is a pleasant surprise to me. Jones is a smart man, on any other team they would have worn him out in 2 years. Here he gets to split with Dillon. Here he gets to be a WR half the time and likely will finish this contract as a Packer.
I would have preferred to keep Linsley but I was afraid they would not be able to keep either.
Bad news for Williams and Fuchness
RIP JustJeff
This decision has absolutely zero impact on Devin Funchess.TheSkeptic wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021 09:26This is a pleasant surprise to me. Jones is a smart man, on any other team they would have worn him out in 2 years. Here he gets to split with Dillon. Here he gets to be a WR half the time and likely will finish this contract as a Packer.
I would have preferred to keep Linsley but I was afraid they would not be able to keep either.
Bad news for Williams and Fuchness
and what does he have to do with any of this?paco wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021 09:27Fuchness? What's a Fuchness?TheSkeptic wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021 09:26This is a pleasant surprise to me. Jones is a smart man, on any other team they would have worn him out in 2 years. Here he gets to split with Dillon. Here he gets to be a WR half the time and likely will finish this contract as a Packer.
I would have preferred to keep Linsley but I was afraid they would not be able to keep either.
Bad news for Williams and Fuchness
I love how people have basically deleted him from the team though, and probably never even seen him play, that just makes so little sense to me, he's big, strong and athletic, whats not to like about that?
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I'm very pleased with all things here
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Why not, if Jones is the slot receiver? Why do they need 7 WR's then?go pak go wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021 09:35This decision has absolutely zero impact on Devin Funchess.TheSkeptic wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021 09:26This is a pleasant surprise to me. Jones is a smart man, on any other team they would have worn him out in 2 years. Here he gets to split with Dillon. Here he gets to be a WR half the time and likely will finish this contract as a Packer.
I would have preferred to keep Linsley but I was afraid they would not be able to keep either.
Bad news for Williams and Fuchness
because Jones is a RB that will pose as a receiver on occasion, so Jones will be counted as aRB.TheSkeptic wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021 09:41Why not, if Jones is the slot receiver? Why do they need 7 WR's then?go pak go wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021 09:35This decision has absolutely zero impact on Devin Funchess.TheSkeptic wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021 09:26This is a pleasant surprise to me. Jones is a smart man, on any other team they would have worn him out in 2 years. Here he gets to split with Dillon. Here he gets to be a WR half the time and likely will finish this contract as a Packer.
I would have preferred to keep Linsley but I was afraid they would not be able to keep either.
Bad news for Williams and Fuchness
I mean Funchess has to earn a roster spot but this Jones signing doesn't or won't make Funchess a cap casualty. Funchess's position on the Packers is the same as it was on Saturday.TheSkeptic wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021 09:41Why not, if Jones is the slot receiver? Why do they need 7 WR's then?go pak go wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021 09:35This decision has absolutely zero impact on Devin Funchess.TheSkeptic wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021 09:26This is a pleasant surprise to me. Jones is a smart man, on any other team they would have worn him out in 2 years. Here he gets to split with Dillon. Here he gets to be a WR half the time and likely will finish this contract as a Packer.
I would have preferred to keep Linsley but I was afraid they would not be able to keep either.
Bad news for Williams and Fuchness
He will be invited to camp to battle out for a top 5 WR spot. I don't know if he can play STs or not but if he can play coverage that will help him even more.
I think it's likely safe to say we have our top 3 WRs on the roster in Adams, Lazard and MVS. I think it's also safe we likely keep 6 WRs though keeping 5 is probably more likely than keeping 7. But 6 is our likely number.
So that means we have 3 spots available for Funchess, EQSB, Malik Taylor, and likely a draft pick or 2. Swerv may be counted as either a 4th RB or a 6th WR...who knows. But in my mind, Funchess's primary competition to make this roster is to beat out both Taylor and EQSB. If he does that, I think he is a pretty good bet of making the roster. And if he comes in as a polished and in-shape dude who doesn't drop balls in camp....I think he absolutely makes the roster.
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I don't know why we're talking about WRs here, but as long as we have 0 WRs under contract in 2022, adding WRs to the roster this year in the draft to develop onto starters in the future years remains paramount.
We need to extend Adams and make a decision on Lazard, but MVS, EQSB, Taylor, etc. etc. are likely going to be replaced and as we all know, being a rookie WR with Rodgers is not a recipe for success. So we're going to need to stock the depth chart to prepare. We still probably need at least 2 rookies added to the group to avoid any sort of negotiating nightmare when they all become FAs
We need to extend Adams and make a decision on Lazard, but MVS, EQSB, Taylor, etc. etc. are likely going to be replaced and as we all know, being a rookie WR with Rodgers is not a recipe for success. So we're going to need to stock the depth chart to prepare. We still probably need at least 2 rookies added to the group to avoid any sort of negotiating nightmare when they all become FAs
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I agree, that was my opinion last year, sure I wanted one early and would have moved up in round one to get Jefferson I also wanted another one late, either way we should have drafted one somewhere in that class, now it seems we almost have to take a couple this year.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021 09:57I don't know why we're talking about WRs here, but as long as we have 0 WRs under contract, adding WRs to the roster this year in the draft to develop onto starters in the future years remains paramount.
We need to extend Adams and make a decision on Lazard, but MVS, EQSB, Taylor, etc. etc. are likely going to be replaced and as we all know, being a rookie WR with Rodgers is not a recipe for success. So we're going to need to stock the depth chart to prepare. We still probably need at least 2 rookies added to the group to avoid any sort of negotiating nightmare when they all become FAs
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I disagree. Packers should Favregettabout 2022 and beyond for now, and solely focus on the 2021 window of opportunity. Win it all in 2021. Make the Packers Great Again.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021 09:57I don't know why we're talking about WRs here, but as long as we have 0 WRs under contract in 2022, adding WRs to the roster this year in the draft to develop onto starters in the future years remains paramount.
We need to extend Adams and make a decision on Lazard, but MVS, EQSB, Taylor, etc. etc. are likely going to be replaced and as we all know, being a rookie WR with Rodgers is not a recipe for success. So we're going to need to stock the depth chart to prepare. We still probably need at least 2 rookies added to the group to avoid any sort of negotiating nightmare when they all become FAs
Yes, but the role of not receivers as receivers has grown year after year under MLF; with Jones coming back and Deguara healthy, I see it as likely that we are going to see more and more 1 WR offense, instead stocking the field with RB's and TE's.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021 09:57I don't know why we're talking about WRs here, but as long as we have 0 WRs under contract in 2022, adding WRs to the roster this year in the draft to develop onto starters in the future years remains paramount.
We need to extend Adams and make a decision on Lazard, but MVS, EQSB, Taylor, etc. etc. are likely going to be replaced and as we all know, being a rookie WR with Rodgers is not a recipe for success. So we're going to need to stock the depth chart to prepare. We still probably need at least 2 rookies added to the group to avoid any sort of negotiating nightmare when they all become FAs
I mean, Adams, Jones, Dillon, and Tonyan are the team's top 4 "weapons" and I expect them on the field together A LOT. The offense really isn't going to hinge on the other guy.
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One-WR offense is a bit of a stretch, but even so--all the more reason not to pay role players at that position and to re-load through the draft. the very absolute minimum number of WRs you could have on the roster is 4. So if we go into this year with Adams, Lazard, MVS, and Funchess or EQ, then we're going into next year with Adams... and that's it.Waldo wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021 12:11Yes, but the role of not receivers as receivers has grown year after year under MLF; with Jones coming back and Deguara healthy, I see it as likely that we are going to see more and more 1 WR offense, instead stocking the field with RB's and TE's.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021 09:57I don't know why we're talking about WRs here, but as long as we have 0 WRs under contract in 2022, adding WRs to the roster this year in the draft to develop onto starters in the future years remains paramount.
We need to extend Adams and make a decision on Lazard, but MVS, EQSB, Taylor, etc. etc. are likely going to be replaced and as we all know, being a rookie WR with Rodgers is not a recipe for success. So we're going to need to stock the depth chart to prepare. We still probably need at least 2 rookies added to the group to avoid any sort of negotiating nightmare when they all become FAs
So if we're paying Jones and we're paying Adams, we need some cheap WRs on the roster who are capable of stepping in and producing in our scheme. And that takes experience. We absolutely and obviously need to add a young WR or 2 with starting potential to the roster this year.
Running 1 WR was not terribly uncommon last year and it often didn't look like 1 WR when we did.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021 12:15One-WR offense is a bit of a stretch, but even so--all the more reason not to pay role players at that position and to re-load through the draft. the very absolute minimum number of WRs you could have on the roster is 4. So if we go into this year with Adams, Lazard, MVS, and Funchess or EQ, then we're going into next year with Adams... and that's it.Waldo wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021 12:11Yes, but the role of not receivers as receivers has grown year after year under MLF; with Jones coming back and Deguara healthy, I see it as likely that we are going to see more and more 1 WR offense, instead stocking the field with RB's and TE's.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021 09:57I don't know why we're talking about WRs here, but as long as we have 0 WRs under contract in 2022, adding WRs to the roster this year in the draft to develop onto starters in the future years remains paramount.
We need to extend Adams and make a decision on Lazard, but MVS, EQSB, Taylor, etc. etc. are likely going to be replaced and as we all know, being a rookie WR with Rodgers is not a recipe for success. So we're going to need to stock the depth chart to prepare. We still probably need at least 2 rookies added to the group to avoid any sort of negotiating nightmare when they all become FAs
So if we're paying Jones and we're paying Adams, we need some cheap WRs on the roster who are capable of stepping in and producing in our scheme. And that takes experience. We absolutely and obviously need to add a young WR or 2 with starting potential to the roster this year.
I don't disagree that we need more WR's though.
MVS is tough. He is finding his hands. Even with the heavy drops he is still so key to the offense being able to scare a safety deep and all the massive game changing plays. We've had a lot of super fast guys over the years, MVS is the first one to really start to put it together on the field, even if he does drop way too many.
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Yes but "not terribly uncommon" and "building a roster around it" are two entirely different things. AND I answered your comment under the assumption that even if I did find this a stretch, I would take it at face value and respond in kind.
No matter how many WRs we are putting on the field or on the roster, we need to add new ones this year, because we have ZERO under contract after this year and we can't afford to pay a bunch of role players starting salaries at the position, especially since Adams will likely have a top-3 contract at the position and we chose to pay Jones and we still have to pay Tonyan and we chose to pay Bakh the #1 salary at his position.