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Why? Why is not possible to kick it into the EZ every time? When Crosby doesn't, it always looks intentional. I don't buy that he's trying to kick it deep every time.
Yeah I don’t buy it either. If Crosby can bang 55 yards with a holder and a rush coming at him he should be able to get the ball deep into the end zone.NCF wrote: ↑22 Oct 2021 08:11Why? Why is not possible to kick it into the EZ every time? When Crosby doesn't, it always looks intentional. I don't buy that he's trying to kick it deep every time.
spot on, the goal is to kick high and drop it inside the 10, hang time allows coverage to hopefully get a stop short of the 25 or even the 20, and possibly get a fumble, that was apparent last year and at times so far this season.NCF wrote: ↑22 Oct 2021 08:11Why? Why is not possible to kick it into the EZ every time? When Crosby doesn't, it always looks intentional. I don't buy that he's trying to kick it deep every time.
I feel like NFL rules made it obvious that everyone could kick in the end zone if they wanted to, but the coaches like Belichik gamed the system and said "why must i give them the ball at the 25" and they started doing what you are describing....for teams like the Pats that plan has worked great. They have great coverage and often get teams to start before the 25. However, we have bad coverage. If we are trying to implement something like that it is because we are dreaming and not living in the reality that our coverage is inconsistent at best and often sucks.Yoop wrote: ↑22 Oct 2021 09:07spot on, the goal is to kick high and drop it inside the 10, hang time allows coverage to hopefully get a stop short of the 25 or even the 20, and possibly get a fumble, that was apparent last year and at times so far this season.
obviously against the wind any Kicker will struggle to get a touch back, but on a normal day Crosby can still kick it into the EZ.
ehhhhh, in on e breath you applaud the defense, in the next ya don't trust them to stop the opponent if ya give them a few yards better field position to start, most of the time our coverage doesn't let them past the 25, plus ya have the chance to actually pin them back or even cause a turn over, ya got to gamble on that at least some of the time.lupedafiasco wrote: ↑22 Oct 2021 09:50I don’t give a shot what any other team is able to do kicking the ball and stopping the returner before the 25. Clearly we can’t. So stop doing it. It’s hurting the team and it is insanity to me that we can’t just concede the 25 yard line instead of risking them starting at the 35-40.
Its just analytics. Teams are more likely to score when they have better field position.Yoop wrote: ↑22 Oct 2021 10:00ehhhhh, in on e breath you applaud the defense, in the next ya don't trust them to stop the opponent if ya give them a few yards better field position to start, most of the time our coverage doesn't let them past the 25, plus ya have the chance to actually pin them back or even cause a turn over, ya got to gamble on that at least some of the time.lupedafiasco wrote: ↑22 Oct 2021 09:50I don’t give a shot what any other team is able to do kicking the ball and stopping the returner before the 25. Clearly we can’t. So stop doing it. It’s hurting the team and it is insanity to me that we can’t just concede the 25 yard line instead of risking them starting at the 35-40.
good point, I think thats the time to kick conservatively for the touch back, specially if your aheadgo pak go wrote: ↑22 Oct 2021 10:16Weeks 1 - 2 our STs were actually really aweseom.
Week 3 - 4 they weren't. And then Week 6...that Bears returner is just REALLY good.
What really ticks me off is when we allow a long return right before half or regulation to put the opponent at mid field when they otherwise weren't going to score (think SF)
I too am sort of hoping they rest Preston. I know he wants to play against his former team, but another game of Garvin, Gary and asking Mercilus to give us 10 - 15 snaps sounds okay to me.
Agree, it seems we can't kick it to the end zone, no stop the opposing team behind the 25. If we have the ability to kick it into the end zone, please do, every time. Every single time. No squib kicks before halftime or late in the game, nothing, touchbacks. 100% of the time.lupedafiasco wrote: ↑22 Oct 2021 09:50I don’t give a shot what any other team is able to do kicking the ball and stopping the returner before the 25. Clearly we can’t. So stop doing it. It’s hurting the team and it is insanity to me that we can’t just concede the 25 yard line instead of risking them starting at the 35-40.
Conversely, when the other team kicks it to the goal line, feel free to advance it beyond the 15. That's fine. No penalty for that. The only thing more embarrassing than our KO coverage team is our KO return team.BF004 wrote: ↑22 Oct 2021 15:35Agree, it seems we can't kick it to the end zone, no stop the opposing team behind the 25. If we have the ability to kick it into the end zone, please do, every time. Every single time. No squib kicks before halftime or late in the game, nothing, touchbacks. 100% of the time.lupedafiasco wrote: ↑22 Oct 2021 09:50I don’t give a shot what any other team is able to do kicking the ball and stopping the returner before the 25. Clearly we can’t. So stop doing it. It’s hurting the team and it is insanity to me that we can’t just concede the 25 yard line instead of risking them starting at the 35-40.
Yeah short week coming up. I think its best to sit him.go pak go wrote: ↑22 Oct 2021 15:24I too am sort of hoping they rest Preston. I know he wants to play against his former team, but another game of Garvin, Gary and asking Mercilus to give us 10 - 15 snaps sounds okay to me.
I also hope we can limit Kenny Clark's snaps in this game. If there is one game where we can hope we get to a big lead and be able to coast the 2nd half, the game before a Thursday Night game is it.
Thats my other complaint. If it is anywhere inside the endzone just let it go.NCF wrote: ↑22 Oct 2021 15:39Conversely, when the other team kicks it to the goal line, feel free to advance it beyond the 15. That's fine. No penalty for that. The only thing more embarrassing than our KO coverage team is our KO return team.BF004 wrote: ↑22 Oct 2021 15:35Agree, it seems we can't kick it to the end zone, no stop the opposing team behind the 25. If we have the ability to kick it into the end zone, please do, every time. Every single time. No squib kicks before halftime or late in the game, nothing, touchbacks. 100% of the time.lupedafiasco wrote: ↑22 Oct 2021 09:50I don’t give a shot what any other team is able to do kicking the ball and stopping the returner before the 25. Clearly we can’t. So stop doing it. It’s hurting the team and it is insanity to me that we can’t just concede the 25 yard line instead of risking them starting at the 35-40.
