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Yoop wrote: ↑

30 Mar 2022 06:16

APB wrote: ↑

30 Mar 2022 05:59

Yoop wrote: ↑

30 Mar 2022 05:50

Smith-Njigba you wont be calling this guy the hyphenated guy much longer...

With all names you hack to shreds on this forum, this is the one you actually spell correctly. Amazing.

Oh, so you looked up the spelling too, I thought I'd get it right since Smith- Njikba will be a household name for football fans in the near future.

Aaaand yoop proceeds to misspell it in the very next post. Right after getting the name of the Packers' head coach wrong.

NCF wrote: ↑

30 Mar 2022 07:27

Yoop wrote: ↑

30 Mar 2022 06:09

Drj820 wrote: ↑

29 Mar 2022 22:57

Easy to say Rodgers never throws to rookies when those rookies were either playing behind Jordy, Cobb, Jennings, Driver, or James Jones on a depth chart

Or those rookies were 5th round picks or even un drafted JAGS.

If we get a WR in round one of the draft and that rookies competition for targets is broken bodied Cobb and former TE Allen Lazard...trust me..that rookie will see some balls come his way.

Been saying this awhile, Lafluer is not near as risk averse as Mike McCarthy was, if a rookie is ready he will play him, McCarthy should have used Cobb a lot more in year one then he did, same way Sherman used Jennings who started at least a doz games for us, McCarthy could be a frustrating coach concerning snubbing rookies, not sticking with the run more and his insanity with sticking to iso vert routes when we no longer had the receivers for that stuff to work.

Lafluer has been a lot different and it shows with our record, we are a short ball team much more now, but that doesn't mean we have to run on 3rd and short, so receivers that get open quick seem the order of the day to me.

I wouldn't bat a eye to move up and grab Wilson, same way I would have done it for Jefferson a few years back.

I don’t think your point is lost, but Jennings was drafted in 2006, McCarthys first season as HC. Never played for Sherman.

whoops. got my years mixed up, after looking up the roster, Jennings did play a lot because the WR room lacked available talent, our main 3 where DRiver, Jennings and Ruval Martin, Ferguson, Robinson and Holiday played in only 4 games each.

Yoop wrote: ↑

30 Mar 2022 08:16

NCF wrote: ↑

30 Mar 2022 07:27

Yoop wrote: ↑

30 Mar 2022 06:09

Been saying this awhile, Lafluer is not near as risk averse as Mike McCarthy was, if a rookie is ready he will play him, McCarthy should have used Cobb a lot more in year one then he did, same way Sherman used Jennings who started at least a doz games for us, McCarthy could be a frustrating coach concerning snubbing rookies, not sticking with the run more and his insanity with sticking to iso vert routes when we no longer had the receivers for that stuff to work.

Lafluer has been a lot different and it shows with our record, we are a short ball team much more now, but that doesn't mean we have to run on 3rd and short, so receivers that get open quick seem the order of the day to me.

I wouldn't bat a eye to move up and grab Wilson, same way I would have done it for Jefferson a few years back.

I don’t think your point is lost, but Jennings was drafted in 2006, McCarthys first season as HC. Never played for Sherman.

whoops. got my years mixed up, after looking up the roster, Jennings did play a lot because the WR room lacked available talent, our main 3 where DRiver, Jennings and Ruval Martin, Ferguson, Robinson and Holiday played in only 4 games each.

And because Jennings was really freaking good.

He "popped" immediately starting at the rookie minicamp. He was one you could tell was going to contribute immediately. And he did.

NCF wrote: ↑

30 Mar 2022 09:52

I have to say, the combine and pro day and all star game “interest” always feels silly to me. I know for a fact (from working the combine in 2005) and from reports (various scouts and exec interviews) that teams—especially the Packers—talk to/show interest in about 75-85% of draftable prospects, and the reports are just the ones reporters happen to see.

But pre-draft visits??? Yes. Get us some WR prospect news coming into Green Bay!

go pak go wrote: ↑

30 Mar 2022 10:21

Yoop wrote: ↑

30 Mar 2022 08:16

NCF wrote: ↑

30 Mar 2022 07:27

I don’t think your point is lost, but Jennings was drafted in 2006, McCarthys first season as HC. Never played for Sherman.

whoops. got my years mixed up, after looking up the roster, Jennings did play a lot because the WR room lacked available talent, our main 3 where DRiver, Jennings and Ruval Martin, Ferguson, Robinson and Holiday played in only 4 games each.

And because Jennings was really freaking good.

He "popped" immediately starting at the rookie minicamp. He was one you could tell was going to contribute immediately. And he did.

So was Cobb, as soon as he was given given more targets year 2 he produced just under a 1000 yrds, I also liked Jennings, but Cobb was just as ready to play year one as Jennings was, the difference is Cobb had more established talent in front of him.

go pak go wrote: ↑

30 Mar 2022 10:21

And because Jennings was really freaking good.

He "popped" immediately starting at the rookie minicamp. He was one you could tell was going to contribute immediately. And he did.

This ties in perfectly with the [mention]Drj820[/mention] discussions. Remember the outrage when the Packers traded down in the 2nd-Round with Chad Jackson still on the board?

On the first day of the 2006 NFL Draft, the Patriots traded draft picks with the Green Bay Packers to move up sixteen places (from the Patriots' 52nd to the Packers' 36th) in the second round to select Jackson, giving up a third-round pick (75th overall) acquired in a trade. Jackson played for the Patriots in 2006 and 2007.

This was, of course, right after trading Javon Walker to the Broncos and the Packers let one of the consensus top WR get gobbled up by the Patriots. Jackson went on to suck and Jennings was really good.

A lot of chatter on twitter about the Packers and re-draft visits. Comes down to this. Packers often sign players that come in for pre-draft visits or had some contact with. But it is usually day 3 prospects. Gutey has yet to draft someone in the 1st or 2nd round that came in for a visit.

Jaire said he had no contact whatsoever with the Packers pre-draft. Nothing is guaranteed. So take the big name visits with a grain of salt.

paco wrote: ↑

30 Mar 2022 10:39

A lot of chatter on twitter about the Packers and re-draft visits. Comes down to this. Packers often sign players that come in for pre-draft visits or had some contact with. But it is usually day 3 prospects. Gutey has yet to draft someone in the 1st or 2nd round that came in for a visit.

Jaire said he had no contact whatsoever with the Packers pre-draft. Nothing is guaranteed. So take the big name visits with a grain of salt.

Gutey has said, with the top guys, it's not always bringing in the guys they like the best, it is bringing in the guys that they feel they need more information on, for whatever reason. Medical, missing testing data, character, etc.

NCF wrote: ↑

30 Mar 2022 10:33

go pak go wrote: ↑

30 Mar 2022 10:21

And because Jennings was really freaking good.

He "popped" immediately starting at the rookie minicamp. He was one you could tell was going to contribute immediately. And he did.

This ties in perfectly with the @Drj820 discussions. Remember the outrage when the Packers traded down in the 2nd-Round with Chad Jackson still on the board?

On the first day of the 2006 NFL Draft, the Patriots traded draft picks with the Green Bay Packers to move up sixteen places (from the Patriots' 52nd to the Packers' 36th) in the second round to select Jackson, giving up a third-round pick (75th overall) acquired in a trade. Jackson played for the Patriots in 2006 and 2007.

This was, of course, right after trading Javon Walker to the Broncos and the Packers let one of the consensus top WR get gobbled up by the Patriots. Jackson went on to suck and Jennings was really good.

Man good ole memory lane huh?

Thompson made some MOVES right away. And they were like...all unpopular.

Letting the Guards walk.
Trading away Javon Walker
Letting Ahman Green walk
Drafting Aaron Rodgers and Nick Collins with his first two selections
Drafting a no name receiver in 2006 and an unpopluar Darryn Colledge and Jason Spitz to take the guard spots
Drafting AJ Hawk over Vernon Davis

Just seemed like everything he did was under huge controversy.

People hated him. And he freaking won. It's why he will always be one of my favorite people.

go pak go wrote: ↑

30 Mar 2022 11:11

NCF wrote: ↑

30 Mar 2022 10:33

go pak go wrote: ↑

30 Mar 2022 10:21

And because Jennings was really freaking good.

He "popped" immediately starting at the rookie minicamp. He was one you could tell was going to contribute immediately. And he did.

This ties in perfectly with the @Drj820 discussions. Remember the outrage when the Packers traded down in the 2nd-Round with Chad Jackson still on the board?

On the first day of the 2006 NFL Draft, the Patriots traded draft picks with the Green Bay Packers to move up sixteen places (from the Patriots' 52nd to the Packers' 36th) in the second round to select Jackson, giving up a third-round pick (75th overall) acquired in a trade. Jackson played for the Patriots in 2006 and 2007.

This was, of course, right after trading Javon Walker to the Broncos and the Packers let one of the consensus top WR get gobbled up by the Patriots. Jackson went on to suck and Jennings was really good.

Man good ole memory lane huh?

Thompson made some MOVES right away. And they were like...all unpopular.

Letting the Guards walk.
Trading away Javon Walker
Letting Ahman Green walk
Drafting Aaron Rodgers and Nick Collins with his first two selections
Drafting a no name receiver in 2006 and an unpopluar Darryn Colledge and Jason Spitz to take the guard spots
Drafting AJ Hawk over Vernon Davis

Just seemed like everything he did was under huge controversy.

People hated him. And he freaking won. It's why he will always be one of my favorite people.

un popular with who, when Ted took over we where up against the cap, he had to make some cuts, and Guards tend to be a easily replaceable position, and Walker wanted a big dollar contract, no way we where going to pay that after he just came back from injury.

and who wouldn't be upset losing a excellent RB, and some of us here new all about Jennings pre draft, and the only people that didn't like College aren't worth listening to anyway, and Hawk was the safe pick that never became what his draft profile suggested.

you act as though we have no right to question a GM's decision making, and Ted was never under constant scrutiny, and people didn't hate him either, this is building mountains out of mole hills, he should have retired or been asked to several years prior to his end, some times loyalty and respect can be costly.

NCF wrote: ↑

30 Mar 2022 10:50

paco wrote: ↑

30 Mar 2022 10:39

A lot of chatter on twitter about the Packers and re-draft visits. Comes down to this. Packers often sign players that come in for pre-draft visits or had some contact with. But it is usually day 3 prospects. Gutey has yet to draft someone in the 1st or 2nd round that came in for a visit.

Jaire said he had no contact whatsoever with the Packers pre-draft. Nothing is guaranteed. So take the big name visits with a grain of salt.

Gutey has said, with the top guys, it's not always bringing in the guys they like the best, it is bringing in the guys that they feel they need more information on, for whatever reason. Medical, missing testing data, character, etc.

Yeah. Also there’sa lot less control over whether you can get the “top guys” you cover versus late rounders and UDFAs where you can pick them a bit ahead of consensus to ensure you secure them, while the top guys all are getting attention from all or most of the teams. So a sample size of four drafts and no top picks who came on visits is tough to shake.

But I’m glad we’re meeting with top WR prospects because I’m so on the train that what separates the good receivers is a lot more about mental makeup and dedication than some other things. Obviously that can be said about any position, but since WRs are somewhat isolated and since there are so many top guys lately in terms of measurable and production, I like getting them in the building and letting the coaches and front office really see how they tick

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

30 Mar 2022 13:04

NCF wrote: ↑

30 Mar 2022 10:50

paco wrote: ↑

30 Mar 2022 10:39

A lot of chatter on twitter about the Packers and re-draft visits. Comes down to this. Packers often sign players that come in for pre-draft visits or had some contact with. But it is usually day 3 prospects. Gutey has yet to draft someone in the 1st or 2nd round that came in for a visit.

Jaire said he had no contact whatsoever with the Packers pre-draft. Nothing is guaranteed. So take the big name visits with a grain of salt.

Gutey has said, with the top guys, it's not always bringing in the guys they like the best, it is bringing in the guys that they feel they need more information on, for whatever reason. Medical, missing testing data, character, etc.

Yeah. Also there’sa lot less control over whether you can get the “top guys” you cover versus late rounders and UDFAs where you can pick them a bit ahead of consensus to ensure you secure them, while the top guys all are getting attention from all or most of the teams. So a sample size of four drafts and no top picks who came on visits is tough to shake.

But I’m glad we’re meeting with top WR prospects because I’m so on the train that what separates the good receivers is a lot more about mental makeup and dedication than some other things. Obviously that can be said about any position, but since WRs are somewhat isolated and since there are so many top guys lately in terms of measurable and production, I like getting them in the building and letting the coaches and front office really see how they tick

It is interesting though how much more we seem to interview and bring in "top prospects" under the Gute regime compared to the TT regime when we never brought or looked at top names.

Yoop wrote: ↑

30 Mar 2022 12:28

go pak go wrote: ↑

30 Mar 2022 11:11

NCF wrote: ↑

30 Mar 2022 10:33

This ties in perfectly with the @Drj820 discussions. Remember the outrage when the Packers traded down in the 2nd-Round with Chad Jackson still on the board?



This was, of course, right after trading Javon Walker to the Broncos and the Packers let one of the consensus top WR get gobbled up by the Patriots. Jackson went on to suck and Jennings was really good.

Man good ole memory lane huh?

Thompson made some MOVES right away. And they were like...all unpopular.

Letting the Guards walk.
Trading away Javon Walker
Letting Ahman Green walk
Drafting Aaron Rodgers and Nick Collins with his first two selections
Drafting a no name receiver in 2006 and an unpopluar Darryn Colledge and Jason Spitz to take the guard spots
Drafting AJ Hawk over Vernon Davis

Just seemed like everything he did was under huge controversy.

People hated him. And he freaking won. It's why he will always be one of my favorite people.

un popular with who, when Ted took over we where up against the cap, he had to make some cuts, and Guards tend to be a easily replaceable position, and Walker wanted a big dollar contract, no way we where going to pay that after he just came back from injury.

and who wouldn't be upset losing a excellent RB, and some of us here new all about Jennings pre draft, and the only people that didn't like College aren't worth listening to anyway, and Hawk was the safe pick that never became what his draft profile suggested.

you act as though we have no right to question a GM's decision making, and Ted was never under constant scrutiny, and people didn't hate him either, this is building mountains out of mole hills, he should have retired or been asked to several years prior to his end, some times loyalty and respect can be costly.

TT was wildly unpopular. So much so that the ones supporting him were called TTards on the packersplanet forum. There were a lot of serious "Fire TT" -websites.

His moves were terrible, indefensible, didn't fill the needs! Oh why oh why didn't we just fill the needz! Especially the totally wasted Rodgers pick when Favre needed help NOW. I mean, what an idiot drafts and develops, when you can fill needs NOW!? Every season is the last of your teenage years and we should go ALL IN, ALL THE TIME! ( that's how it felt) Collins was a SAFETY, low value position, and draftniks had him as an athletic bust.

Et cetera.

Until all that bad disappeared in a poof of SB celebration.

I personally love TT and his approach. But understand why a monk that puts the long term interests of the team ahead of everything, including his own popularity, didn't strike a chord with a lot of fans, a lot of whom want a quick bit of fun. It's a shame we didn't win more SBs with him.

go pak go wrote: ↑

30 Mar 2022 13:06

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

30 Mar 2022 13:04

NCF wrote: ↑

30 Mar 2022 10:50

Gutey has said, with the top guys, it's not always bringing in the guys they like the best, it is bringing in the guys that they feel they need more information on, for whatever reason. Medical, missing testing data, character, etc.

Yeah. Also there’sa lot less control over whether you can get the “top guys” you cover versus late rounders and UDFAs where you can pick them a bit ahead of consensus to ensure you secure them, while the top guys all are getting attention from all or most of the teams. So a sample size of four drafts and no top picks who came on visits is tough to shake.

But I’m glad we’re meeting with top WR prospects because I’m so on the train that what separates the good receivers is a lot more about mental makeup and dedication than some other things. Obviously that can be said about any position, but since WRs are somewhat isolated and since there are so many top guys lately in terms of measurable and production, I like getting them in the building and letting the coaches and front office really see how they tick

It is interesting though how much more we seem to interview and bring in "top prospects" under the Gute regime compared to the TT regime when we never brought or looked at top names.

I think that's because Gutey is a joker card in the draft in the sense that he could do ANYTHING.

He has shown the ability to wheel and deal both up and down and into the future. He has manouvred to pick needs and also to pick non-needs. Maybe he actually would do a big trade up. But only if he feels a guy is worth two guys. Maybe he could trade high future picks, which hasn't been done in my time as a fan.

Some are saying GB's draft plan is predictable because of WR need.... I don't think Gutey does "predictable"...

salmar80 wrote: ↑

30 Mar 2022 13:18

Yoop wrote: ↑

30 Mar 2022 12:28

go pak go wrote: ↑

30 Mar 2022 11:11

Man good ole memory lane huh?

Thompson made some MOVES right away. And they were like...all unpopular.

Letting the Guards walk.
Trading away Javon Walker
Letting Ahman Green walk
Drafting Aaron Rodgers and Nick Collins with his first two selections
Drafting a no name receiver in 2006 and an unpopluar Darryn Colledge and Jason Spitz to take the guard spots
Drafting AJ Hawk over Vernon Davis

Just seemed like everything he did was under huge controversy.

People hated him. And he freaking won. It's why he will always be one of my favorite people.

un popular with who, when Ted took over we where up against the cap, he had to make some cuts, and Guards tend to be a easily replaceable position, and Walker wanted a big dollar contract, no way we where going to pay that after he just came back from injury.

and who wouldn't be upset losing a excellent RB, and some of us here new all about Jennings pre draft, and the only people that didn't like College aren't worth listening to anyway, and Hawk was the safe pick that never became what his draft profile suggested.

you act as though we have no right to question a GM's decision making, and Ted was never under constant scrutiny, and people didn't hate him either, this is building mountains out of mole hills, he should have retired or been asked to several years prior to his end, some times loyalty and respect can be costly.

TT was wildly unpopular. So much so that the ones supporting him were called TTards on the packersplanet forum. There were a lot of serious "Fire TT" -websites.

His moves were terrible, indefensible, didn't fill the needs! Oh why oh why didn't we just fill the needz! Especially the totally wasted Rodgers pick when Favre needed help NOW. I mean, what an idiot drafts and develops, when you can fill needs NOW!? Every season is the last of your teenage years and we should go ALL IN, ALL THE TIME! ( that's how it felt) Collins was a SAFETY, low value position, and draftniks had him as an athletic bust.

Et cetera.

Until all that bad disappeared in a poof of SB celebration.

I personally love TT and his approach. But understand why a monk that puts the long term interests of the team ahead of everything, including his own popularity, didn't strike a chord with a lot of fans, a lot of whom want a quick bit of fun. It's a shame we didn't win more SBs with him.

ohhh, those guys seriously my comment about not listening to some fans is probably one of my most sincere comments, after Mike Sherman, GM/ coach, I wanted to string Ron Wolf and and Bob Harlan to the gallows, sight unseen I new Ted couldn't be worse, Sherman was a OK coach, but terrible GM.

I remember the T Tard comments, so lame, why waste time listening to that

Teds approach relied mostly on the draft, old school thinking a little to much for me, ever since UFA it's to hard to keep a team together, and most of the draft relies on D&D, so basically you have to rely on picking quick study guys that will groom up fast, tough chore since most drafted players bust out, I looked at Ted as a protege ( correct my spelling if you like) of Ron Wolf, Wolfs parting words when he retired went something along the lines of what I just said, basically that it's frustratingly impossible to build and keep them together long enough to win the prize, and Ted took that to limit and the team suffered, FA players to him where ( and always will be over priced), but thats the price ya have to pay to stay competitive, we know this because we just watched Gute rebuild our defense using UFA.

Ted was a great scout, he had a eye for talent, no one should dispute that, but imo he needed to use UFA more and not hang onto draft picks forever when they don't produce, the revolving door at safety and ILB that went on for years here stagnated the defense, granted he had to deal with some bad injury situations, we seemed to lose all starters at one position or another year in year out for half a decade, no amount of FA dollars can fix that.

thing is we can't expect fans to go along with everything a GM does, and Ted wasn't perfect, so fans have every right to question or complain if they don't agree with something, when ya weigh the good and bad I don't know how anyone could dis like Ted very much, that doesn't even make sense.

I don't think reported prospect interest means much, but it's definitely more interesting than watching baseball, so I'm here for it.

I remember TTards. IIRC I was a TT supporter but I don't ever remember being lumped in with the TTards. I was mildly anti-MM for a while until he won but I thought I always liked TT's draft strategy.

I find it amazing and amusing that, over the years, the "FA versus draft BPA" argument is sounding exactly the same as it ever has.

:-)

NCF wrote: ↑

01 Apr 2022 07:50

He's tall, fast, and productive. VERY thin. Is he actually any good at receiver? I haven't watched him at all. Do we have thoughts?