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[mention]BF004[/mention] I also really like this. Can't complain at all if it falls this way.

Really starting to toy around with the idea that there may not be perfect value at 22 and maybe the best thing to do would be trade that down for additional value. They could turn that into 2 additional premium picks or even 2023 value. Also, as I have played around with these simulators, I really think we could add one or even two really talented TE's in that Late 3rd - Early 4th range. There are about 5 guys that I really like and I just don't think, maybe other than McBride, teams are going to overdraft them.

My prediction is probably going to be that the Packers will not have 2 1st round selections. Getting more of a feeling that we are looking to trade up or are going to trade 1 of the picks for a player.

paco wrote: ↑

01 Apr 2022 08:19

My prediction is probably going to be that the Packers will not have 2 1st round selections. Getting more of a feeling that we are looking to trade up or are going to trade 1 of the picks for a player.

I would agree with you on that second part, except I don't know how Guty would pull that off unless he overpays for somebody. Or, maybe he combines that pick with a player for a player.

The entire league that has a WR that might fit GB is sitting by their phones waiting for Guty to call and offer too much. I'd be shocked if they didn't increase the pain because it's so obvious that we need a WR (or two, or three).

NCF wrote: ↑

01 Apr 2022 07:46

Really starting to toy around with the idea that there may not be perfect value at 22 and maybe the best thing to do would be trade that down for additional value. They could turn that into 2 additional premium picks or even 2023 value. Also, as I have played around with these simulators, I really think we could add one or even two really talented TE's in that Late 3rd - Early 4th range. There are about 5 guys that I really like and I just don't think, maybe other than McBride, teams are going to overdraft them.

What on earth would we do with two TEs drafted in an active roster lock range of the draft?

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

01 Apr 2022 09:18

What on earth would we do with two TEs drafted in an active roster lock range of the draft?

Roster them...? Lewis and Tonyan both could be in their final seasons with the team and I still don't even think Deguara is a TE. Neither is Dafney. That cupboard is bare beyond this season. I just like a lot of the prospects and I consistently see them available in the range where these guys typically are not available.

Scott4Pack wrote: ↑

01 Apr 2022 09:03

paco wrote: ↑

01 Apr 2022 08:19

My prediction is probably going to be that the Packers will not have 2 1st round selections. Getting more of a feeling that we are looking to trade up or are going to trade 1 of the picks for a player.

I would agree with you on that second part, except I don't know how Guty would pull that off unless he overpays for somebody. Or, maybe he combines that pick with a player for a player.

The entire league that has a WR that might fit GB is sitting by their phones waiting for Guty to call and offer too much. I'd be shocked if they didn't increase the pain because it's so obvious that we need a WR (or two, or three).

And by the draft, if the team wants to get rid of that player for anything, they'll be desperate to do so. Goes both ways. Teams won't ask more from the Packers just because we need a WR. If they do, then they don't really care to trade the player.

NCF wrote: ↑

01 Apr 2022 09:54

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

01 Apr 2022 09:18

What on earth would we do with two TEs drafted in an active roster lock range of the draft?

Roster them...? Lewis and Tonyan both could be in their final seasons with the team and I still don't even think Deguara is a TE. Neither is Dafney. That cupboard is bare beyond this season.

No one but Tonyan and probably Lewis have a firm grip on this roster this season. Gutey very well could decide to cut Deguara and Dafney if he thinks he has upgrades.

NCF wrote: ↑

01 Apr 2022 09:54

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

01 Apr 2022 09:18

What on earth would we do with two TEs drafted in an active roster lock range of the draft?

Roster them...? Lewis and Tonyan both could be in their final seasons with the team and I still don't even think Deguara is a TE. Neither is Dafney. That cupboard is bare beyond this season.

Yes, beyond this season. But you're saying that we keep 2 rookies, Lewis, Tonyan, Deguara, and Dafney all on the roster for 2022? I can see moving on from developing Tyler Davis in favor of a more promising rookie, of course. But Lewis, Tonyan, and Deguara are roster locks. We have room for one new TE at most. And you're right that this is a good draft class to add a guy in the middle rounds that can develop this year and then take a bigger role next year. But I can't figure out how adding two TEs works this year (I had this conversation somewhere else--maybe earlier in this thread--also. It just isn't a reasonable double-dip position for our roster composition. It'd be like taking a roster-lock RB to be our 4th stringer.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

01 Apr 2022 09:59

It'd be like taking a roster-lock RB to be our 4th stringer.

Also not opposed to that.

I think I like Patrick Taylor, a ton, though. Probably won't be an issue, but I still will not be shocked to see a RB drafted.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

01 Apr 2022 09:59

NCF wrote: ↑

01 Apr 2022 09:54

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

01 Apr 2022 09:18

What on earth would we do with two TEs drafted in an active roster lock range of the draft?

Roster them...? Lewis and Tonyan both could be in their final seasons with the team and I still don't even think Deguara is a TE. Neither is Dafney. That cupboard is bare beyond this season.

Yes, beyond this season. But you're saying that we keep 2 rookies, Lewis, Tonyan, Deguara, and Dafney all on the roster for 2022? I can see moving on from developing Tyler Davis in favor of a more promising rookie, of course. But Lewis, Tonyan, and Deguara are roster locks. We have room for one new TE at most. And you're right that this is a good draft class to add a guy in the middle rounds that can develop this year and then take a bigger role next year. But I can't figure out how adding two TEs works this year (I had this conversation somewhere else--maybe earlier in this thread--also. It just isn't a reasonable double-dip position for our roster composition. It'd be like taking a roster-lock RB to be our 4th stringer.

There are some caveats. I think you have to choose between Deguara and Dafney because they play the same, small role (even though they play it quite differently). There would need to be Teams contributions from someone. I know Deguara has played some in the past, but maybe if one of the rookies could contribute there you would feel better about it and maybe that ends up replacing a likely ST-only reserse LB or DB. Like I said, I just think there could be really good value there. Once it happens, you would have to figure out the details, but we have rostered 5 TE's in the past. It's uncommon, but not undoable. I pretty much alluded to the fact, in my original post, that taking two might be a stretch, but still one that is at least worth exploring.

Deguara was a third round draft pick and has so far been bustalodean. Really hope he takes a leap this year. Would be very helpful.

NCF wrote: ↑

01 Apr 2022 10:07

There are some caveats. I think you have to choose between Deguara and Dafney because they play the same, small role (even though they play it quite differently). There would need to be Teams contributions from someone. I know Deguara has played some in the past, but maybe if one of the rookies could contribute there you would feel better about it and maybe that ends up replacing a likely ST-only reserse LB or DB. Like I said, I just think there could be really good value there. Once it happens, you would have to figure out the details, but we have rostered 5 TE's in the past. It's uncommon, but not undoable. I pretty much alluded to the fact, in my original post, that taking two might be a stretch, but still one that is at least worth exploring.

I really struggle to get over how great Jelani Woods could be with a year of Marcedes mentoring him how to use that big ole body to be more of a physical presence. I was #teamJelani back when he was barely on draft boards, but said right away that his low draft stock didn't make any sense and figured he'd rise.

At 59, I'm not ready. If he's there at 92, it's tempting. If he's there at 132, run to the podium.

NCF wrote: ↑

01 Apr 2022 07:46

There are about 5 guys that I really like and I just don't think, maybe other than McBride, teams are going to overdraft them.

Who else is on your list? I'm intrigued by Cole Turner, Jeremy Rucker, and Cade Otten; maybe Jake Ferguson. And a sleeper Armani Rodgers.

The plain fact is that only Tonyan is a viable threat as a pass receiver. And without a true WR#1 (except for maybe a rookie) or a competent slot receiver who can outrun the average linebacker, a receiving TE is going to be critical.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

01 Apr 2022 11:08

NCF wrote: ↑

01 Apr 2022 10:07

There are some caveats. I think you have to choose between Deguara and Dafney because they play the same, small role (even though they play it quite differently). There would need to be Teams contributions from someone. I know Deguara has played some in the past, but maybe if one of the rookies could contribute there you would feel better about it and maybe that ends up replacing a likely ST-only reserse LB or DB. Like I said, I just think there could be really good value there. Once it happens, you would have to figure out the details, but we have rostered 5 TE's in the past. It's uncommon, but not undoable. I pretty much alluded to the fact, in my original post, that taking two might be a stretch, but still one that is at least worth exploring.

I really struggle to get over how great Jelani Woods could be with a year of Marcedes mentoring him how to use that big ole body to be more of a physical presence. I was #teamJelani back when he was barely on draft boards, but said right away that his low draft stock didn't make any sense and figured he'd rise.

At 59, I'm not ready. If he's there at 92, it's tempting. If he's there at 132, run to the podium.

NCF wrote: ↑

01 Apr 2022 07:46

There are about 5 guys that I really like and I just don't think, maybe other than McBride, teams are going to overdraft them.

Who else is on your list? I'm intrigued by Cole Turner, Jeremy Rucker, and Cade Otten; maybe Jake Ferguson. And a sleeper Armani Rodgers.

You didn't ask me, but the little bit I've watched of TE's, these guys are on my board.
Jelani Woods - I'd take him in the 2nd without any hesitation.
Isaiah Likely - though he had rough speed and agility numbers
Greg Dulcich
Chigoziem Okonkwo
Daniel Bellinger
Cade Otten
Jeremy Ruckert
have a few others listed as draftable but that's not based off of much.

I would be very happy with this one.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

01 Apr 2022 11:08

Who else is on your list? I'm intrigued by Cole Turner, Jeremy Rucker, and Cade Otten; maybe Jake Ferguson. And a sleeper Armani Rodgers.

I like Ruckert a lot. He's probably my favorite and the most well-rounded. He's in a general group that I like at the position with McBride, Dulcich, Ferguson, Wydermyer, and Woods. There are others, too, but I really like this main group. It's a class just full of guys with absolute prototypical size. You usually don't find that in a Draft class.

Best names mock 2022:

1. Smoke Monday S Auburn - I wish every Monday was a Smoke Monday
2. Cameron Dicker K Texas - "Dicker kicker" There's a dirty limerick in that...
3. Sincere McCormick RB Texas-San Antonio - Should have an identical twin Liar McCormick
4. Charleston Rambo WR Miami - John's much more civilized brother
5. Big Kat Bryant EDGE UCF - Such a great name fit for many sucky teams
6. Jalyn Armour-Davis CB Alabama - Needs no pads
7. Tarik Woolen CB Texas-San Antonio - Really needs pads
8. Skyy Moore WR Western Michigan - For once, Gutey wants to hear "Skyy is falling"
9. Master Teague III - That's a lot of Masters in one family
10. Gregory Junior CB Ouachita Baptist - So if he names his kid Gregory Junior, the poor thing will be Greg Junior Junior.
11. Quay Walker LB Georgia - Quay player for some team. Also, there must be a photo of Quay Walker walking on a quay
12. Ickey Ekwony OT NC State - Should go to the Cowboys, since the Boys are Ickey.
13. Sauce Gardner CB Oregon - Garden the #¤%& outta that sauce
14. Bailey Zappe QB Western Kentucky - Wishes the ball would come out of his hand with some Zappe
15. Qwynnterrio Cole S Louisville - First name designed to one day be the game ender in Scrabble

My latest mock, again doing things a bit different without taking a WR in the 1st.

1.22 - Trevor Penning, OT
If we are going to go OT, this is a good pick. Add that nasty to our OL.

1.28 - Arnold Ebiketie, EDGE
Nice 3rd piece to develop and use as pass rush specialist right away.

2.53 - Christian Watson, WR
If he's here, I'd be very happy. Can do a little of everything including kick returns right away, but doesn't have to be #1.

2.59 - Darrian Beavers, LB
Several other LBs available here (not Chenal or Muma), but I like Beavers. Can play all over the place and contribute on ST.

3.92 - Traded to Dolphins for DeVante Parker
Our new #1. He has 2 years left on his deal and Dolphins have Hill and Waddle. I don't think he's going to cost a 1st. Only question is if he wants a new deal right away. But hopefully will play under current one.

TRADE w/ Broncos - Got 4.116 + 6.206 for 4.132 + 5.171
4.116 - Jelani Woods, TE
I wanted Woods. Immediate ST help and can be what Lewis is now plus a lot more as a pass catcher.

4.140 - Markquese Bell, S
Probably too high, but he tested out great and he's versatile.

6.206 - Bo Melton, WR
One of my favorite Day 3 WR options. Return specialist, gadget guy. Another slot option.

7.228 - Jaylen Watson, CB
7.249 - Kalia Davis, DL
7.258 - DaMarcus Fields, CB

Drj820 wrote: ↑

01 Apr 2022 10:42

Deguara was a third round draft pick and has so far been bustalodean. Really hope he takes a leap this year. Would be very helpful.

He’s probably a little better than Rich Rodgers was, if his blocking is okay. He can actually run (a little) better than Rodgers ever could. Still a serviceable, not great, TE. And that’s okay. There’s a place for him on our roster.