Packers Huddle

Posted: **09 Apr 2022 08:34**

PackerNation wrote: ↑
09 Apr 2022 07:21
You cats are assuming Chris Olave is gone at 22?

I don't assume that. And if you don't think Olave is a WR the Packers should draft then you don't have a clue.

Exactly what LaFleur looks for in a WR. Olave has the speed to take the top off a defense. Elite/polished route runner. Great hands. High quality individual. Olave can be your #1.

If you are saying Olave doesn't fit Gute's big WR drafting history. Gute likes big WRs it's true, but it's not like Olave is small(like Gute draft pick Amari Rodgers) Olave is 6'1 190. He can add just a touch of weight and strength when he gets with Gizz in Green Bay.

Olave at 22 would be ideal. It could happen. Just gotta get him by the Saints.
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I see NO just got #16 and #19 in a trade with Philly. If Gute wants Olave (and he was in attendance at Ohio State's pro day) he is gonna have to make a deal to get ahead of the Saints.

Posted: **09 Apr 2022 08:37**

NCF wrote: ↑
09 Apr 2022 08:31

Pugger wrote: ↑
09 Apr 2022 08:27

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑
04 Apr 2022 09:36
1. Trey Burks
2. Devonte Wyatt
3. Drake London
4. David Ojabo
5. Dax Hill
6. Nakobe Dean
7. Daxton Hill
8. Zion Johnson
9. Kenyon Green
10. Andrew Booth
I have a feeling London will be long gone before the middle of the second round.

The topic is who would you pick at 22.

OIC My bad. I took Burks too because unless Gute makes a deal Burks should be the best WR still out there. I've seen mocks where London was taken in the top 15.

Posted: **09 Apr 2022 08:39**

Yoop wrote: ↑
04 Apr 2022 08:18
Yoop trades up to slot 13 and takes Wilson

I think of the top 4 or 5 receivers Burks might still be there, and he gives us a ready to play WR, think he's a good fit in MLF's schemes, so he's my pick

Agree. I feel good about it happening as well - I think packers will be offering every team both firsts, so may be higher than 13 if we get a taker and might need to be to get Wilson.

Posted: **09 Apr 2022 08:44**

Pugger wrote: ↑
09 Apr 2022 08:23

BF004 wrote: ↑
04 Apr 2022 09:00
Nice, Bit of toughy. I'd say right now I am probably here:

Tier 1

Tier 2
Treylon Burks - WR - Kind of at the top due to process of elimination, fewest warts if you will. I think he is the best of this bunch, but don't just love him as a lock at 22 or anything. I go back and forth between he is a limited athlete and his game speed is very good. Even with the slow speed and bad 3 cone, average at best jumping, not a good trifecta. Bigger than he looks, long arms, good hand size. I dunno.
Drake London - WR - I think this would be a very safe pick, I think he is going to be an above average to good starting receiver, yet I would question the diversity and speed of our WR's. Good hands, good contested catcher, not sure if he creates the separation we really need for Aaron to trust him too early. Bit too much Lazard in him, not a bad thing, but limiting what we can run with two oversized less athletic, no top end speed, WR's. I liked him a lot in fall then fell off, warming back up to him quite a bit.

Tier 3
Daxton Hill - S - Kind of hate taking a safety at 22, but we do need one here and actually could get a lot of PT this year as slot/3rd safety.
David Ojabo - Edge - Pure investment pick, might get him December January at minimal impact, but has everything you want at edge. See note below regarding achilles injuries.
Zion Johnson - OG - Don't like his size, already gunna be 23 this year, I don't quite get all the love (not sure if much outside of Bukowski), although great athlete.
Kenyon Green - OG - Maybe 2nd round, just limited upside at 22, not an impressive athlete

Tier 4
Andrew Booth - CB - I like Booth, but kind of another perimeter only CB,
Nakobe Dean - ILB - Just positional need, not crazy about him, small, I got him behind Lloyd and Chanel
Devonte Wyatt - DT - Would love him early 2nd-ish, just not a 1st round prospect, IMO
Jahan Dotson - WR - Hate the value at 22, not the highest ceiling you'd want at 22.

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I notice you don't have any one listed in tier one. Is this because you feel none of them will still be there come #22? Ya never know. There is always some team or two in the top 10 that picks somebody nobody saw coming.

No, more no one I would be super excited about.

Wouldn’t even hate a small move back to like 26-27 if that was the board.

Posted: **09 Apr 2022 08:48**

bud fox wrote: ↑
09 Apr 2022 08:39

Yoop wrote: ↑
04 Apr 2022 08:18
Yoop trades up to slot 13 and takes Wilson

I think of the top 4 or 5 receivers Burks might still be there, and he gives us a ready to play WR, think he's a good fit in MLF's schemes, so he's my pick
Agree. I feel good about it happening as well - I think packers will be offering every team both firsts, so may be higher than 13 if we get a taker and might need to be to get Wilson.

Both firsts have about equal trade value as pick 5.

No WR remotely worth that.

I’d consider maybe both firsts and getting a 3 rd back for Hutchison or Walker, but no WRs.

Posted: **09 Apr 2022 08:48**

PackerNation wrote: ↑
09 Apr 2022 08:05

Yoop wrote: ↑
09 Apr 2022 07:56

welcome to the forum

I tend to agree, but some of us feel that of these top receivers Olave is the closest to his ceiling, imo other then Wilson, Olave is the most ready to play, Williams may be the best if not for the injury he may have been picked first, London with coaching and refinement could be really special, to me, of the 5 most highly rated, Burks will drop to the end of round one, a team has to have a niche for Burks, has to use a lot of run play action, mis direction, jet sweeps, basically a team like ours, with that in mind I hope Burks drops to us at slot 28 I must say though, I have my doubts about that, everyone needs WR's 6 even 7 could go in the first, and another half doz in round two.
So, you are saying Olave is the best WR in the draft, but won't get better in the NFL? Interesting take, but I disagree. He is by far the best route runner in the draft and the scary part is he can only get better.

I think saying a WR has hit his ceiling before he even gets in the NFL is silly. The most NFL ready is not a negative. And Chris Olave can grow in LaFleur's offense and get even better. Plus, you get big production out of him in 2022.

Olave can be the most ready to play and still have the lowest ceiling, both Wilson and Williams have far higher expectations in the NFL and LOndon has probably the highest of all, and thats not a negative for Olave, he will be a fine receiver, I also said closer to his ceiling, there is a difference between there term hit, and close.

Olave has negatives, he may struggle in traffic, and he'll get better press coverage at this level, so yes he may be the most NFL ready, but others offer higher upside, and this is just my opinion, your obviously welcome to have yours.

Posted: **09 Apr 2022 08:52**

BF004 wrote: ↑
09 Apr 2022 08:48

bud fox wrote: ↑
09 Apr 2022 08:39

Yoop wrote: ↑
04 Apr 2022 08:18
Yoop trades up to slot 13 and takes Wilson

I think of the top 4 or 5 receivers Burks might still be there, and he gives us a ready to play WR, think he's a good fit in MLF's schemes, so he's my pick
Agree. I feel good about it happening as well - I think packers will be offering every team both firsts, so may be higher than 13 if we get a taker and might need to be to get Wilson.
Both firsts have about equal trade value as pick 5.

No WR remotely worth that.

I’d consider maybe both firsts and getting a 3 rd back for Hutchison or Walker, but no WRs.

I could see getting behind something like this, getting that 47 back would be huge, IDL, OL, TE, WR2, S, all pretty good prospects in that area, many cases not a whole lot worse than 28, imo.

Posted: **09 Apr 2022 09:00**

BF004 wrote: ↑
09 Apr 2022 08:52

BF004 wrote: ↑
09 Apr 2022 08:48

bud fox wrote: ↑
09 Apr 2022 08:39

Agree. I feel good about it happening as well - I think packers will be offering every team both firsts, so may be higher than 13 if we get a taker and might need to be to get Wilson.
Both firsts have about equal trade value as pick 5.

No WR remotely worth that.

I’d consider maybe both firsts and getting a 3 rd back for Hutchison or Walker, but no WRs.

I could see getting behind something like this, getting that 47 back would be huge, IDL, OL, TE, WR2, S, all pretty good prospects in that area, many cases not a whole lot worse than 28, imo.

our 22 and 53 for WAshington commodors slot 11 sound s better to me, that would give us any choice of these top receivers, which to me is Wilson, he's walk on ready and has plenty of ceiling.

Posted: **09 Apr 2022 09:06**

Yoop wrote: ↑
09 Apr 2022 09:00

BF004 wrote: ↑
09 Apr 2022 08:52

BF004 wrote: ↑
09 Apr 2022 08:48

Both firsts have about equal trade value as pick 5.

No WR remotely worth that.

I’d consider maybe both firsts and getting a 3 rd back for Hutchison or Walker, but no WRs.

I could see getting behind something like this, getting that 47 back would be huge, IDL, OL, TE, WR2, S, all pretty good prospects in that area, many cases not a whole lot worse than 28, imo.

our 22 and 53 for WAshington commodors slot 11 sound s better to me, that would give us any choice of these top receivers, which to me is Wilson, he's walk on ready and has plenty of ceiling.

I guess I hate the idea of using 22 and 53 for just 1 WR, just unfair comparisons to davante forever.

Also, if we get our blue chip guy at the top. I’d rather get 3 guys in the 2nd than just a late 1 and a late 2.

I am so set and leaving with 4 guys in the top two rounds.

Also, great guess on the trade value.

Posted: **09 Apr 2022 09:25**

NCF wrote: ↑
09 Apr 2022 08:31

Pugger wrote: ↑
09 Apr 2022 08:27

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑
04 Apr 2022 09:36
1. Trey Burks
2. Devonte Wyatt
3. Drake London
4. David Ojabo
5. Dax Hill
6. Nakobe Dean
7. Daxton Hill
8. Zion Johnson
9. Kenyon Green
10. Andrew Booth
I have a feeling London will be long gone before the middle of the second round.

The topic is who would you pick at 22.

I would pick the best offensive tackle in the nation. Not a guard. There were no offensive tackles on the list provided.

I can go with the best available WR as well. No one knows which WR will be available at #22.

I am guessing Gutey may fiddle around with his picks and move up if necessary to get the #1 pick that the Packers really really want.....instant impact players in the earlier rounds. It's ALL IN time. It is TIME. And there are still several holes to plug.

Posted: **09 Apr 2022 09:51**

BF004 wrote: ↑
09 Apr 2022 09:06

Yoop wrote: ↑
09 Apr 2022 09:00

BF004 wrote: ↑
09 Apr 2022 08:52

I could see getting behind something like this, getting that 47 back would be huge, IDL, OL, TE, WR2, S, all pretty good prospects in that area, many cases not a whole lot worse than 28, imo.

our 22 and 53 for WAshington commodors slot 11 sound s better to me, that would give us any choice of these top receivers, which to me is Wilson, he's walk on ready and has plenty of ceiling.
I guess I hate the idea of using 22 and 53 for just 1 WR, just unfair comparisons to davante forever.

Also, if we get our blue chip guy at the top. I’d rather get 3 guys in the 2nd than just a late 1 and a late 2.

I am so set and leaving with 4 guys in the top two rounds.

Also, great guess on the trade value.

I've always had the feeling we'd use a 2nd rounder to move up for a targeted receiver, and with Rodgers input for the type of receiver he'd want, Wilson or Williams seem the most likely, if Gute says to Rodgers, stfu, you play, I pay, then it's probably London, if they compromise, well, I doubt even God could read there minds

I'am really psyched for this draft, even bought the trial sub to the athletic, bummer is I'am going to be out of town for the 2nd and 3rd day, I'll tape it all, but knowing the results will ruin the excitement of watching it live

Posted: **09 Apr 2022 10:13**

came across this WR ranking from a Guy connected to PFF, interesting, he has the buckeye boys 1 and 2, check out number 4

mayyyyyyybe

By Sam Monson
Apr 8, 2022
The 2022 NFL Draft is fast approaching, and with it comes the last major chance for teams to materially transform their fortunes for the 2022 NFL season.

I have already ranked the quarterbacks in this draft class, and now it’s time for wide receivers.

The PFF big board provides a ranking of the receivers compiled by Mike Renner. There is a lot of additional information available for each prospect there and in the PFF Draft Guide, but these are my rankings of the available crop.

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2022-nfl ... ngs-monson

Posted: **09 Apr 2022 10:26**

Yoop wrote: ↑
09 Apr 2022 10:13
came across this WR ranking from a Guy connected to PFF, interesting, he has the buckeye boys 1 and 2, check out number 4 mayyyyyyybe

Pickens is tough, so much projection and off the field/maturity concerns. But the guy is so talented and young and explosive and good when he was 18 and 19.

If all the intangles are fine, very fair chance he’ll be the best wr from this class.

Posted: **09 Apr 2022 10:42**

Don't discuss Christian Watson too much. We want him to fall to the 2nd round

You nab Olave at 22 and get a Edge or OT at 28(or trade 28.)Then get Christian Watson at 53.

Now yes, the Saints want Olave bad, so it may take a trade up above #16 to get him, but this is the shot at our future #1 WR. Why not make sure you get him? I am hoping a trade isn't needed, but if it is, then let's go! If the Pack has to lose pick 28 in a trade up, then so be it. Get your #1 WR for the next 9 years.

Olave is going to be special. Don't want to watch him have a incredible career on another team.

Posted: **09 Apr 2022 15:51**

BF004 wrote: ↑
09 Apr 2022 08:48

bud fox wrote: ↑
09 Apr 2022 08:39

Yoop wrote: ↑
04 Apr 2022 08:18
Yoop trades up to slot 13 and takes Wilson

I think of the top 4 or 5 receivers Burks might still be there, and he gives us a ready to play WR, think he's a good fit in MLF's schemes, so he's my pick
Agree. I feel good about it happening as well - I think packers will be offering every team both firsts, so may be higher than 13 if we get a taker and might need to be to get Wilson.
Both firsts have about equal trade value as pick 5.

No WR remotely worth that.

I’d consider maybe both firsts and getting a 3 rd back for Hutchison or Walker, but no WRs.

The chart is not 100%. Go back through trades such as mahomes and Jones and the value could be right. I think we may need to get to 10 before Washingon for Wilson.

We will see - I think gute makes the splash play.

Posted: **09 Apr 2022 19:18**

I know a few of you really like Wilson. I too think he is a nice player, but a bit of a project, not the best fit for the Packers.

Garrett Wilson is a little smaller than Olave. Wilson measured at 5'11 183 at the combine. Olave at 6'1 189.

Wilson can't block at all. In LaFleur's offense a WR needs to be a quality blocking WR. Olave isn't a elite blocker at this point, but has the ability. Wilson needs to be in a offense where he isn't depended upon to block.

Wilson doesn't have the catch radius that Olave does. If you are going to talk about contested catches then show me one that Olave didn't haul in. I've watched every game he played on all 22 film. I don't see what those wannabe draft gurus see when they say he struggles on contested catches. I don't see actual NFL Scouts with the same concern.

Chris Olave is ready to come into the NFL and be a WR1 on day one. Immediate production ala Jefferson and Chase. The Packers don't need a project right now. Yes, Wilson is a little better at YAC at the moment. Ok, but as a rookie he comes in and would be used as a slot WR for the most part in LaFleur's offense.

Wilson is Robin to Olave's Batman.

Chris Olave is not only a great player, but a extremely high quality individual. You wonder why the Saints made a trade to get in a better position to nab Olave. Well, Gute was at the OSU pro-day, and I am sure he sees what myself and Mickey Loomis see.

Let's do this!

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Posted: **09 Apr 2022 19:45**

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Posted: **09 Apr 2022 20:36**

PackerNation wrote: ↑
09 Apr 2022 19:18
You wonder why the Saints made a trade to get in a better position to nab Olave.

They did not make that trade to grab a WR. They are moving again to grab a QB.

Posted: **09 Apr 2022 20:53**

paco wrote: ↑
09 Apr 2022 20:36

PackerNation wrote: ↑
09 Apr 2022 19:18
You wonder why the Saints made a trade to get in a better position to nab Olave.
They did not make that trade to grab a WR. They are moving again to grab a QB.

Well, since you and Mickey Loomis discussed their whole draft strategy, why don't you enlighten us with all the Saints picks.

We will save this and after the draft see how close you came.

Posted: **09 Apr 2022 21:13**

PackerNation wrote: ↑
09 Apr 2022 20:53

paco wrote: ↑
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PackerNation wrote: ↑
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You wonder why the Saints made a trade to get in a better position to nab Olave.
They did not make that trade to grab a WR. They are moving again to grab a QB.
Well, since you and Mickey Loomis discussed their whole draft strategy, why don't you enlighten us with all the Saints picks.

We will save this and after the draft see how close you came.

Not the whole draft, but you'll see what they do in the first round mock contest! BTW, check that out and join in on the fun!

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