What to do with Aaron (with season now in dumpster)?

[Trudge]

Ouch.

Just saw Aaron has only two playoff wins since 2017.

A sentence that’ll make you crinkle your nose.

That's really not that bad.

17 and 18 were McCarthy's last days. 19, 20 and 21 we were 2-3. That's it.

[dsr]

Ouch.

Just saw Aaron has only two playoff wins since 2017.

A sentence that’ll make you crinkle your nose.

True, right? And yet, we wonder how much of those losses was on Aaron’s shoulders. I think the most common sense approach is that he generally played well enough and that the bigger problems were with other people. We’ve seen that for at least four years running. It’s so unexpected that we almost have to wonder if there’s a curse on the Packers. It’s literally uncanny how we could do so well for the regular season and then face a team that is a notch better than we are. And we still wonder why Aaron Jones fumbles, Rodgers throws poorly, the stout OLine becomes porous, or the D gives up the big plays. It IS more than Rodgers. Yet, Rodgers is a piece of that.

If somebody, anybody could figure how how to right this ship…

The problem with Rodgers playing "generally well enough" is that he isn't being paid to play "well enough". He's being paid to play at MVP level, and in the playoffs especially for 5+ years, he hasn't done that. He's a good middle-ranking QB, on the decline, and that's not good enough for his contract.

[RingoCStarrQB]

In 2022 Aaron Rodgers' threw 12 interceptions and had a QB rating of 91 on a 3rd place team in the relatively weak NFC North.

Would somebody please tell somebody why Rodgers should be our quarterback making $59M. Are you kidding me!

[TheSkeptic]

In 2022 Aaron Rodgers' threw 12 interceptions and had a QB rating of 91 on a 3rd place team in the relatively weak NFC North.

Would somebody please tell somebody why Rodgers should be our quarterback making $59M. Are you kidding me!

It is very simple. the Packers signed an insane contract and now they have few options. He is NOT going to retire. They CAN'T cut him. And no other team is going to trade for him and pay him that insane amount of money unless their primary goal is to sell tickets rather than win games.

Gute needs to be fired, Murphy too

[TheSkeptic]

Ouch.

Just saw Aaron has only two playoff wins since 2017.

A sentence that’ll make you crinkle your nose.

True, right? And yet, we wonder how much of those losses was on Aaron’s shoulders. I think the most common sense approach is that he generally played well enough and that the bigger problems were with other people. We’ve seen that for at least four years running. It’s so unexpected that we almost have to wonder if there’s a curse on the Packers. It’s literally uncanny how we could do so well for the regular season and then face a team that is a notch better than we are. And we still wonder why Aaron Jones fumbles, Rodgers throws poorly, the stout OLine becomes porous, or the D gives up the big plays. It IS more than Rodgers. Yet, Rodgers is a piece of that.

If somebody, anybody could figure how how to right this ship…

The problem with Rodgers playing "generally well enough" is that he isn't being paid to play "well enough". He's being paid to play at MVP level, and in the playoffs especially for 5+ years, he hasn't done that. He's a good middle-ranking QB, on the decline, and that's not good enough for his contract.

Yup, and people's green and gold glasses prevented them from seeing it until now, even though it was painfully obvious in the playoff loss a year ago. It is not just that he is on the decline it is that he is too arrogant to adapt to physical decline. Many athletes understand what they can no longer do, so they clean up little problems that were formerly covered up by physical strength and speed and they get smarter - but Rodgers is too arrogant and maybe to complacent to do that. And so the decline is going to accelerate faster than it did for a more dedicated QB such as Brady. What we saw this season was a middle ranking QB. What we will see before he finally plays out his contract and nobody wants him even as Jim McMahon 2.0 is less than many backups.

Trivia Question of the day, what did/do Jim McMahon and Aaron Rodgers have in common?

[go pak go]

Here is a good breakdown of the contract.

[go pak go]

High level analysis:

The Packers currently owe roughly $40 million of cap space to Aaron Rodgers. This is for money paid to Aaron prior to 2023 that must at some point hit the Packers cap books.

The Packers can break this expense up with roughly $16 million in 2023 and $24 million in 2024 (Rodgers is not on the team in either season) or take the hit all at once in 2023. Rodgers cannot be on the team in any scenario.

The Packers must pay $59 million MORE if Rodgers decides to play for the Packers in 2023. That would likely come at a cap hit of $31 million 2023 and then split out between 2024 and 2025 for the remaining.

The Packers absolutely can trade Aaron Rodgers. Our cap hit would be the $40 million that can be recognized at once (pre June 1 trade) or over two seasons (post June 1 trade). The only way a trade happens though is if Rodgers agrees because no team is trading for Rodgers if Rodgers says he will simply retire if he is traded.

[lupedafiasco]

Ouch.

Just saw Aaron has only two playoff wins since 2017.

A sentence that’ll make you crinkle your nose.

So does LaFleur and Gutenbumst.

[Half Empty]

Ouch.

Just saw Aaron has only two playoff wins since 2017.

A sentence that’ll make you crinkle your nose.

So does LaFleur and Gutenbumst.

...and the water boy, the trainer, the groundskeeper, and a bunch of others. What's your point? Most of the folks hammering AR point to the contract(s), feeling that he's being paid enough to overcome less efficient people at other positions.

[Yoop]

Ouch.

Just saw Aaron has only two playoff wins since 2017.

A sentence that’ll make you crinkle your nose.

So does LaFleur and Gutenbumst.

...and the water boy, the trainer, the groundskeeper, and a bunch of others. What's your point? Most of the folks hammering AR point to the contract(s), feeling that he's being paid enough to overcome less efficient people at other positions.

crying about the money should have taken place in 2018 when Murphy gave him a huge increase, when he still had 2 years left on the old contract, there where actually members here that embraced that deal since it made Rodgers the most expensive nfl player, there possibly the same people whining about the money now.
He was bumped up with a new contract again last year because he was making a fuss as he probably did prior to that 018 extension, no one Dumps a QB like Rodgers when the team has a window close to closing on as much talent as is on this team the last 3 years, plus we just ran a span of 3 13-3 seasons, seriously find me another GM that wouldn't have done the same.

Is this place on drugs or what

[Crazylegs Starks]

crying about the money should have taken place in 2018 when Murphy gave him a huge increase, when he still had 2 years left on the old contract, there where actually members here that embraced that deal since it made Rodgers the most expensive nfl player, there possibly the same people whining about the money now.
He was bumped up with a new contract again last year because he was making a fuss as he probably did prior to that 018 extension, no one Dumps a QB like Rodgers when the team has a window close to closing on as much talent as is on this team the last 3 years, plus we just ran a span of 3 13-3 seasons, seriously find me another GM that wouldn't have done the same.

Is this place on drugs or what

Yes, we are all on drugs. Join us Yoop. We have things to smoke, eat, inject, and huff. I think that one guy over in the corner there even has some krokodil.

[go pak go]

crying about the money should have taken place in 2018 when Murphy gave him a huge increase, when he still had 2 years left on the old contract, there where actually members here that embraced that deal since it made Rodgers the most expensive nfl player, there possibly the same people whining about the money now.
He was bumped up with a new contract again last year because he was making a fuss as he probably did prior to that 018 extension, no one Dumps a QB like Rodgers when the team has a window close to closing on as much talent as is on this team the last 3 years, plus we just ran a span of 3 13-3 seasons, seriously find me another GM that wouldn't have done the same.

Is this place on drugs or what

Yes, we are all on drugs. Join us Yoop. We have things to smoke, eat, inject, and huff. I think that one guy over in the corner there even has some krokodil.

go pak go: I bet there were 9 dropped passes in that quarter of football.



go pak go: PFR says only 2 drops the whole game!

[Pckfn23]

[TheSkeptic]

Here is a good breakdown of the contract.

What he never said is what he thinks Rodgers is worth in a trade.

He also barely mentioned Jordan Love. Assuming that Love is not the starter, there is no way Jordan signs another contract with GB . To pick up Jordan's 5th year is 20 million and the Packers simply do not have that kind of cap if Rodgers is on the team. So that leaves the question of what the Packers can get for Jordan Love in a trade because after the next season Love is gone and all they get is a comp pick.

[Yoop]

Here is a good breakdown of the contract.

What he never said is what he thinks Rodgers is worth in a trade.

He also barely mentioned Jordan Love. Assuming that Love is not the starter, there is no way Jordan signs another contract with GB . To pick up Jordan's 5th year is 20 million and the Packers simply do not have that kind of cap if Rodgers is on the team. So that leaves the question of what the Packers can get for Jordan Love in a trade because after the next season Love is gone and all they get is a comp pick.

where would Love go? he has shown nothing for anyone to trade for him, Love is at the mercy of whatever our FO decides to do.

[Yoop]

crying about the money should have taken place in 2018 when Murphy gave him a huge increase, when he still had 2 years left on the old contract, there where actually members here that embraced that deal since it made Rodgers the most expensive nfl player, there possibly the same people whining about the money now.
He was bumped up with a new contract again last year because he was making a fuss as he probably did prior to that 018 extension, no one Dumps a QB like Rodgers when the team has a window close to closing on as much talent as is on this team the last 3 years, plus we just ran a span of 3 13-3 seasons, seriously find me another GM that wouldn't have done the same.

Is this place on drugs or what

Yes, we are all on drugs. Join us Yoop. We have things to smoke, eat, inject, and huff. I think that one guy over in the corner there even has some krokodil.

go pak go: I bet there were 9 dropped passes in that quarter of football.



go pak go: PFR says only 2 drops the whole game!

people that grade drops have to keep it as basic as possible, which means it has to be a perfect pass, the ball has to hit both hands, even so I saw three of those Sunday, and a few more that where catchable that weren't, nice try

[Pckfn23]

[LombardiTime]

Ouch.

Just saw Aaron has only two playoff wins since 2017.

A sentence that’ll make you crinkle your nose.

My nose is definitely crinkled.

But it is crinkled at the entire Packer organization that has won just 2 playoff games over the past six seasons not just the team’s QB.

[Pckfn23]

[Yoop]

Doubs had two drops all by himself Sunday, one on the side lines and one on a slant, that ball was knee high and he got both hands on the ball, should have made the catch on both passes.

tied for 2nd in the league with most dropped passes




What constitutes a dropped pass?
Sep 28, 2011

Good question in the comments section from Los Angeles Rams of St. Louis regarding dropped passes: What constitutes one, exactly?

2011 Drops Through Week 3
Hank Gargiulo of ESPN Stats & Information passed along the written standard our game charters rely upon to reduce subjectivity.

This standard says drops are "incomplete passes where the receiver SHOULD have caught the pass with ORDINARY effort."

Basically, we're talking about blatant drops, not the ones where your old man leans over and says anything that grazed the receiver anywhere was a drop in his day.

"Only use this if the receiver is 100 percent at fault and no one else can be blamed for the incompletion," ESPN tells its game charters. "Pass interference that wasn't called/passes thrown just outside the receiver's reach, etc., are NOT drops