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Gonna be up to Gary, LVN, and Enagbare to prove it. The defense hinges on 1 to f them being great and at least one other being good.RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑09 Nov 2024 19:53The Packers D has plenty of games on the 2024 schedule to become the premier defense in the NFL. The defense will get better and better.
Hafley has shown an ability to scheme to defend that much better than the previous regimes. I watched a lot of that Pats-Bears game. A lot of it was coverage sacks. Williams not knowing where to go with the ball and trying to extend plays led to sacks. I actually felt sorry for the OL because they held up fine.
right, their OL may be part of the problem, but they're not far behind us for PBWR, but they are 5th in the league for RBWR.NCF wrote: ↑15 Nov 2024 08:56Hafley has shown an ability to scheme to defend that much better than the previous regimes. I watched a lot of that Pats-Bears game. A lot of it was coverage sacks. Williams not knowing where to go with the ball and trying to extend plays led to sacks. I actually felt sorry for the OL because they held up fine.
From the article you linked:Yoop wrote: ↑15 Nov 2024 09:47right, their OL may be part of the problem, but they're not far behind us for PBWR, but they are 5th in the league for RBWR.NCF wrote: ↑15 Nov 2024 08:56Hafley has shown an ability to scheme to defend that much better than the previous regimes. I watched a lot of that Pats-Bears game. A lot of it was coverage sacks. Williams not knowing where to go with the ball and trying to extend plays led to sacks. I actually felt sorry for the OL because they held up fine.
so we need to play stout against the run, Williams will struggle even against our 4 man rush, and crumble against our deceptive 5 man groupings, so we need to bring that heat against the pass and play gap control when they run.
the Bears tend to play us tough as a division foe even when they lose, but they seem severely mismatched against us this year.
27-9, all we give them are 3 FG's
https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/a ... -win-rate/
So if I'm understanding that correctly, they're going off week one data only. It might be helpful to find an article that includes the other 9 weeks that are in the books.Let’s look at offensive line pass block and run block win rate rankings heading into Week 2.
awe shucks, I saw Nov. 10 and thought it was current, I went looking and the only site it seems that does the win rate analysis is Sharps, and it's a pay site, maybe BSA or another has better info.APB wrote: ↑15 Nov 2024 10:07From the article you linked:Yoop wrote: ↑15 Nov 2024 09:47right, their OL may be part of the problem, but they're not far behind us for PBWR, but they are 5th in the league for RBWR.NCF wrote: ↑15 Nov 2024 08:56
Hafley has shown an ability to scheme to defend that much better than the previous regimes. I watched a lot of that Pats-Bears game. A lot of it was coverage sacks. Williams not knowing where to go with the ball and trying to extend plays led to sacks. I actually felt sorry for the OL because they held up fine.
so we need to play stout against the run, Williams will struggle even against our 4 man rush, and crumble against our deceptive 5 man groupings, so we need to bring that heat against the pass and play gap control when they run.
the Bears tend to play us tough as a division foe even when they lose, but they seem severely mismatched against us this year.
27-9, all we give them are 3 FG's
https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/a ... -win-rate/
So if I'm understanding that correctly, they're going off week one data only. It might be helpful to find an article that includes the other 9 weeks that are in the books.Let’s look at offensive line pass block and run block win rate rankings heading into Week 2.
according to Brady ( who is a lot better game analyst than folks give him credit for) the Chicago OL was healthy with all 5 starters .LombardiTime wrote: ↑18 Nov 2024 09:49Watching a bad Bears' offense that had been struggling mightily and was down a lineman or two put up over 390 yards, a 179 yards on the ground, and go 12-19 on 3rd and 4th down was a revelation, and not a good one.
After firing its Offensive Coordinator and with all the drama going on in Chicago, I fully expected a mostly healthy Packer defense coming off a bye to shut down the Bears. That did not happen. (Jaire's latest, mysterious absence certainly did not help).
I keep having even my modest expectations for this Green Bay defense shattered. That is on me.
What happened to the idea that Packer lineman were going to tackle running backs on the way to sacking the QB under Jeff Hafley?
Yesterday's defense looked so much like the bend but don't break and hope the other team makes a mistake of past years and I guess that "succeeded" when Brooks blocked the FG for the win.
But the defense has been disappointing once again in 2024 and I don't think the blame goes to new DC.
At the risk of bringing facts into a discussion that will undoubtedly devolve into a fact-free discourse, I'm pretty sure Bears starting OG Teven Jenkins did not play yesterday.Yoop wrote: ↑18 Nov 2024 10:18according to Brady ( who is a lot better game analyst than folks give him credit for) the Chicago OL was healthy with all 5 starters .LombardiTime wrote: ↑18 Nov 2024 09:49Watching a bad Bears' offense that had been struggling mightily and was down a lineman or two put up over 390 yards, a 179 yards on the ground, and go 12-19 on 3rd and 4th down was a revelation, and not a good one.
After firing its Offensive Coordinator and with all the drama going on in Chicago, I fully expected a mostly healthy Packer defense coming off a bye to shut down the Bears. That did not happen. (Jaire's latest, mysterious absence certainly did not help).
I keep having even my modest expectations for this Green Bay defense shattered. That is on me.
What happened to the idea that Packer lineman were going to tackle running backs on the way to sacking the QB under Jeff Hafley?
Yesterday's defense looked so much like the bend but don't break and hope the other team makes a mistake of past years and I guess that "succeeded" when Brooks blocked the FG for the win.
But the defense has been disappointing once again in 2024 and I don't think the blame goes to new DC.
7-3.
You are probably right and I misunderstood Brady, I remember Bates going out with a concussion in 2nd half, I remember him saying Chicago got back it's 2 starting tackles.LombardiTime wrote: ↑18 Nov 2024 11:03At the risk of bringing facts into a discussion that will undoubtedly devolve into a fact-free discourse, I'm pretty sure Bears starting OG Teven Jenkins did not play yesterday.Yoop wrote: ↑18 Nov 2024 10:18according to Brady ( who is a lot better game analyst than folks give him credit for) the Chicago OL was healthy with all 5 starters .LombardiTime wrote: ↑18 Nov 2024 09:49Watching a bad Bears' offense that had been struggling mightily and was down a lineman or two put up over 390 yards, a 179 yards on the ground, and go 12-19 on 3rd and 4th down was a revelation, and not a good one.
After firing its Offensive Coordinator and with all the drama going on in Chicago, I fully expected a mostly healthy Packer defense coming off a bye to shut down the Bears. That did not happen. (Jaire's latest, mysterious absence certainly did not help).
I keep having even my modest expectations for this Green Bay defense shattered. That is on me.
What happened to the idea that Packer lineman were going to tackle running backs on the way to sacking the QB under Jeff Hafley?
Yesterday's defense looked so much like the bend but don't break and hope the other team makes a mistake of past years and I guess that "succeeded" when Brooks blocked the FG for the win.
But the defense has been disappointing once again in 2024 and I don't think the blame goes to new DC.
I am also pretty sure that Bears OG Ryan Bates, who started in place of Jenkins, went down very early in the game with a concussion.
I look forward to the DVOA take on yesterday's game, because I think it was, considering the competition, perhaps GB's worst defensive performance of the season.
I think Refs could call LVN for neutral zone infraction on almost every snap he takes, every time the camera give a line view pre snap his lead foot is even with the ball, obviously some of what I see could be camera angle that deceives my view, still he's pushing the envelope to the breaking point.Scott4Pack wrote: ↑18 Nov 2024 11:45With a 7-4 record now, it might not be too early to identify if some of our defenders are not the ideal fits for Hafley's scheme. It's easy to pick on the ones who are not meeting expectations. But can we discuss this for the remainder of the season and see what turns up?
I'm picking the following as under-performing:
1. Kenny Clark. Yeah, he's eating blocks but it seems like he isn't pushing the OLine back as much as he should.
2. Quay. For reasons that others have noted. He does still flash greatness on some pass defense. He has moment on blitzes too. But he needs more. Seems like he picks the wrong holes to fill against the run more often than not.
3. Stokes. Yeah, he's fast. What else is he?
4. LVN. Still waiting for him to make some impact.
I do think we have our share of JAGs too. Surprising since we've spent so much draft capitol there. McDuffie, Wilson, Nixon, etc. I love those guys for effort. But they aren't special.
