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Quay Walker returned to the lineup and led the team with 12 tackles, 7 solo. The problem with Walker’s tackles was the amount of yardage gained on each of those plays. In order of occurrence, Walker’s tackles had gains of 8, 4, 5, 1, 11, 4, 8, 8, 9, 3, 5, and 3 yards. If three yards is defined as a draw, then Walker’s 12 tackles included 1 win, two draws, and 9 losses.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
there is no comparison, except Love has a stable of receivers, and Rodgers didn't
I'm not gonna lie. These receivers are a major, major let down this year.
The idea of them and their potential is far outpacing the reality of their play in 2024.
I was hoping someone would bring the ALL-22 (aerial view) because I see receivers open and Love not throwing the ball, so IMHO you are blaming receivers at times when the fault actually is Love late to trigger, and when he finally does unload the coverage caught up to the receiver, the TV view doesn't show a broad enough view to confirm my opinion.
Wicks has had some drop issues, others as well, on occasion, but not abnormal, everyone drops a pass now and then, nah, I think the biggest issue is the guy throwing the ball
I couldn't disagree with this any more. There was some accuracy issues but there were also dimes. Both occassions (ball was behind or right on the money) the WR dropped the ball.
6 drops dude. 6 official drops. That is entering historic bad numbers and it's 7 if you include Watson just completely not tracking the ball. This is just rare territory of drop quantity.
Me thinks if we gripe about the details today that we are missing the point...
The details matter. Execution means everything.
Thanks for inquiring.
I could lament about Love's pick six, penalties, bad snaps, drops, etc. Maybe every complaint would be justified. I just think there is a bigger picture thing that is shaping up under MLF's leadership. The first that I noticed it was the start of 2023 when the Pack seemed like one of the worst teams in the league. (They were.) It took several games before they gelled and turned into a formidable team that nobody wanted to face in January. That said, why did it take almost two months of regular season play before they played like they belonged in the top half of the league?
This year, it seems to me that the same "issue" is appearing. It's just manifesting itself differently than last year. We see the slop that they are putting on the field yesterday and against the Vikes. It's clear that they do have loads of talent. But it's also like there is chaos on the field. Even in outgaining the Lions, the Pack had no chance of winning that game.
I have to admit that I am concerned. Is a "season of chaos" something that we need to live with under MLF? If we show bad in 4-6 games a year but kick butt the rest, that's probably okay, especially if we can do deep into January. It'll just be really painful to watch during those 4-6 games. Even the #1 team in the league isn't going to be pure every week.
Here's to hoping that the ship is made right sooner than later.
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Didn't see the presser but I heard even MLF is tired of the bad decisions and INTs. Coming out he was known to be inaccurate and make bad decisions. He fixed both for 10 games last year and got a huge contract. Now he is mostly back to being the guy with the same flaws as in 2020. His accuracy is a fair amount better, but the decisions are awful and cost games.
Me thinks if we gripe about the details today that we are missing the point...
The details matter. Execution means everything.
Thanks for inquiring.
I could lament about Love's pick six, penalties, bad snaps, drops, etc. Maybe every complaint would be justified. I just think there is a bigger picture thing that is shaping up under MLF's leadership. The first that I noticed it was the start of 2023 when the Pack seemed like one of the worst teams in the league. (They were.) It took several games before they gelled and turned into a formidable team that nobody wanted to face in January. That said, why did it take almost two months of regular season play before they played like they belonged in the top half of the league?
This year, it seems to me that the same "issue" is appearing. It's just manifesting itself differently than last year. We see the slop that they are putting on the field yesterday and against the Vikes. It's clear that they do have loads of talent. But it's also like there is chaos on the field. Even in outgaining the Lions, the Pack had no chance of winning that game.
I have to admit that I am concerned. Is a "season of chaos" something that we need to live with under MLF? If we show bad in 4-6 games a year but kick butt the rest, that's probably okay, especially if we can do deep into January. It'll just be really painful to watch during those 4-6 games. Even the #1 team in the league isn't going to be pure every week.
Here's to hoping that the ship is made right sooner than later.
If you stack MLF against any other coach, you're going to come away with MLF is a really, really good coach. Every coach has flaws. Every team has flaws. And sometimes coaches will hit hot streaks that make them look legendary but let them coach long enough and they will have enough bad things to also show as they regress to the mean.
Age of the roster can be a good thing, but can also lead to what we saw last night. Not holding LaFleur blameless by any stretch. He needs to get them ready.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
I don't know how to describe it, but when Love seems to be playing with some urgency everything is different. When he's too relaxed, everything is too relaxed. How he see's the field, his footwork, his delivery etc. They need to find a balance of keeping him wound, but just a little, and let him rip.
I don't know how to describe it, but when Love seems to be playing with some urgency everything is different. When he's too relaxed, everything is too relaxed. How he see's the field, his footwork, his delivery etc. They need to find a balance of keeping him wound, but just a little, and let him rip.
It's just rhythm. The offense continued to find ways on interrupting its own rhythm by its own mistakes. Dropped passes. Unnecessary penalties. All of these get you out of rhythm and offensive is a rhythm game.
Our WRs even catch half the drops and this is a completely different ball game.
I'm not gonna lie. These receivers are a major, major let down this year.
The idea of them and their potential is far outpacing the reality of their play in 2024.
I was hoping someone would bring the ALL-22 (aerial view) because I see receivers open and Love not throwing the ball, so IMHO you are blaming receivers at times when the fault actually is Love late to trigger, and when he finally does unload the coverage caught up to the receiver, the TV view doesn't show a broad enough view to confirm my opinion.
Wicks has had some drop issues, others as well, on occasion, but not abnormal, everyone drops a pass now and then, nah, I think the biggest issue is the guy throwing the ball
I couldn't disagree with this any more. There was some accuracy issues but there were also dimes. Both occassions (ball was behind or right on the money) the WR dropped the ball.
6 drops dude. 6 official drops. That is entering historic bad numbers and it's 7 if you include Watson just completely not tracking the ball. This is just rare territory of drop quantity.
so drops can be Rodgers fault, but not Loves, got it
I see a different player than you do, I see the one who is late to make decisions, and then makes poor ones as a result, throws into double coverage versus a dump off, one who knows he has a physical limitation, yet bolts the pocket and attempts to outrun defenders versus just getting rid of the ball, I see a QB over thinking and forcing throws, that stuff causes himself and others to try to hard not to make mistakes, and we both know what the outcome of that ends up being is more mistakes.
4 drops a game is about average, that one to WAtson stands out more because it was for points.
For the most part his is false. He has very good anticipation.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
4 drops a game is about average, that one to WAtson stands out more because it was for points.
Slice your number in half and you are still way overflating your number.
A REALLY BAD team will see over 35 drops per year (roughly 2 a game)
A BAD team will see over 30 drops a year (so 1.7 to 2.0 drops per game).
An average/below average team will see 25 - 30 drops a year
An average/above average team will see 20 - 25 drops a year
A GOOD team will see under 20 drops a year
A FREAKISHLY GOOD team will see under 10 drops a year
An average NFL team should expect roughly 1.4 drops per game. We were over 4 times that number yesterday.
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The 2024 Packers are currently on pace to flirt with the 35 dropped passes group. What's worse is we haven't thrown the ball much this year so our drop % is top 5 worst in the league.
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It absolutely is NOT! That is 68 drops a year. That would lead the NFL by 20+ EVERY year.
1.5 drops a game is about average.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
I'm not gonna lie. These receivers are a major, major let down this year.
The idea of them and their potential is far outpacing the reality of their play in 2024.
I was hoping someone would bring the ALL-22 (aerial view) because I see receivers open and Love not throwing the ball, so IMHO you are blaming receivers at times when the fault actually is Love late to trigger, and when he finally does unload the coverage caught up to the receiver, the TV view doesn't show a broad enough view to confirm my opinion.
Wicks has had some drop issues, others as well, on occasion, but not abnormal, everyone drops a pass now and then, nah, I think the biggest issue is the guy throwing the ball
I couldn't disagree with this any more. There was some accuracy issues but there were also dimes. Both occassions (ball was behind or right on the money) the WR dropped the ball.
6 drops dude. 6 official drops. That is entering historic bad numbers and it's 7 if you include Watson just completely not tracking the ball. This is just rare territory of drop quantity.
Agreed. Without the drops, we potentially put 10 more points on the board...which is the exact number we lost by. The pick 6 is unforgiveable and Love needs to fix these epic blunders asap, but aside from that, I actually thought he played ok, and it would have looked a lot better without the drops.
I was hoping someone would bring the ALL-22 (aerial view) because I see receivers open and Love not throwing the ball, so IMHO you are blaming receivers at times when the fault actually is Love late to trigger, and when he finally does unload the coverage caught up to the receiver, the TV view doesn't show a broad enough view to confirm my opinion.
Wicks has had some drop issues, others as well, on occasion, but not abnormal, everyone drops a pass now and then, nah, I think the biggest issue is the guy throwing the ball
I couldn't disagree with this any more. There was some accuracy issues but there were also dimes. Both occassions (ball was behind or right on the money) the WR dropped the ball.
6 drops dude. 6 official drops. That is entering historic bad numbers and it's 7 if you include Watson just completely not tracking the ball. This is just rare territory of drop quantity.
Agreed. Without the drops, we potentially put 10 more points on the board...which is the exact number we lost by. The pick 6 is unforgiveable and Love needs to fix these epic blunders asap, but aside from that, I actually thought he played ok, and it would have looked a lot better without the drops.
I mean Wicks drop/and or Watson not tracking the ball (same drive) and Brooks drop is 11 points right there.
yet both of you complained more about Rodger's errant throws,(no different than Love now) than receivers dropping passes 2 years ago.
again receivers don't have eyes in the back of their head, it's up to the QB to throw catchable balls, and too many of Loves are behind the receiver or off-target.
could have sworn one of or both of you said 2 years ago that 4 drops were average, or acceptable, I think you are both lying right now to save the embarrassment of being exposed for lying 2 years ago
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
yet both of you complained more about Rodger's errant throws,(no different than Love now) than receivers dropping passes 2 years ago.
Complained about both as we are complaining about both now. Only you held 1 party blameless.
You are flip flopping so hard now, it's nuts!
could have sworn one of or both of you said 2 years ago that 4 drops were average, or acceptable, I think you are both lying right now to save the embarrassment of being exposed for lying 2 years ago
Nope. $%@# off. Neither of us ever said that, nor are we lying.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
The call was thrown because the fat coach fell as he correctly tried to slow down Nixon and slipped. The coach then got up and made a face and it influenced the ref to throw a flag.
There really shouldn't have been any call but if there was...definitely should have been on #42 of the kicking team.
yet both of you complained more about Rodger's errant throws,(no different than Love now) than receivers dropping passes 2 years ago.
again receivers don't have eyes in the back of their head, it's up to the QB to throw catchable balls, and too many of Loves are behind the receiver or off-target.
could have sworn one of or both of you said 2 years ago that 4 drops were average, or acceptable, I think you are both lying right now to save the embarrassment of being exposed for lying 2 years ago
Why would you accuse people of lying? That's just a bit overboard.
What I see is that we are all pretty neutral here. We both agreed that Rodgers had some drops that hurt him but also wasn't playing well towards the end. Jordan Love is also having some drops hurt him, and yesterday was excessive. Love also pretty much lost the game for us on that stupid Pick 6. Without that we're still in the game. He hits Reed for 30+ yards on the Pick 6 Play, and we're looking at potentially going into halftime tied.
While those drops would have helped, I put yesterday's loss on Jordan Love for the simple fact that his mistake completely changed the narrative of the game. The penalties and the drops were icing on the cake.
Stating this just so you don't come back and say that I'm giving Love a pass where I wouldn't have given Rodgers one.
