Bears @ Packers GDT: Sunday, Jan. 5th, 12:00 PM CST

[wallyuwl]

...only 20 seconds or so. Good grief. It was clear that GB was going to play for a figgy try. They placed the ball for a play with about 24 seconds on the play clock. And they snap it with 21 seconds. Total BAD clock management.

LaCoach messed up big time. Hey, he finally won a challenge.

[LombardiTime]

Seems MLF and staff have gotten into a bad habit of being surprised by their opponent.

How do you bot expect a 20 yard slant??? That statement doesn't hold water.

Didn't expect a 20-yard slant, why not?

What did they expect?

In fact, it looked like Green Bay intentionally permitted the Bears to get that 20-yard slant.

A bizarre defensive play call followed up with an equally bizarre "explanation."

[APB]

Seems MLF and staff have gotten into a bad habit of being surprised by their opponent.

How do you bot expect a 20 yard slant??? That statement doesn't hold water.

Didn't expect a 20-yard slant, why not?

What did they expect?

In fact, it looked like Green Bay intentionally permitted the Bears to get that 20-yard slant.

A bizarre defensive play call followed up with an equally bizarre "explanation."

Maybe they expected a 30 yd slant….

[wallyuwl]

Maybe they expected a 30 yd slant….

Probably just thought da Bears were too prissy to do anything less than 30 yards downfield.

[APB]

I gotta ask... what's with all the whining and bitching? Green Bay is 11-6 in the playoffs. I think you all forget that Det, Chicago, and MN reloaded with high picks for a long time, two of those teams actually hired decent head coaches after 20 years of idiots.

Meanwhile, we kept winning consistently and got saddled by a certain QB and a certain OT with high cap numbers and some iffy draft picks by Gute. It's been one hell of a long successful ride. If our "down" year is 11-6 that's not much to complain about.

Hey, if you are cool with above average regular seasons and then first or second round playoff exits every year that’s cool. I can acknowledge that people can see the Packers seasons like this and totally enjoy the overall experience because the team is above average.

What some of you don’t understand is that there are lots of other perspectives out there.

To me, if you aren’t in the Super Bowl, it was a lost season.

To me, if you regress on offense, on your game management, on your time management during the last 2 minutes of both halves - and the Packers have regressed BADLY in all of these areas - then false bravado and optimism is wasted energy.

Realists vs dreamers. I know a lot of people get labeled as haters here, but there are quite a few people who let the Packers do no wrong in their mind.

Fair enough, you be you. But then let me be me, too.

This is basically me:

I’ll add this too:



#begrateful

[Pckfn23]

I will always be of a mind that I want more Packer football!

[MY_TAKE]

This team was given benefit of doubt all year as pundits said “just wait until they put it all together”

I regret to inform you all that this team never put it all together.

At this point I'd say we regressed from last year, which is inexcusable.

Few thoughts on that, both agreeing and disagreeing. Not X's and O's just eye test thoughts.

1. Our record is better. That doesn't tell the whole story I know.

2. I would say as a whole I definitely think our defense is better. Not clutch lately however.

3. I think our special teams is better than it has been in a while. Today was an outlier. The team's special teams in recent years was sometimes the main reason the team lost games.

4. Running game was a force all year.

5. Here is my agreeing part.

With that great running game, why didn't Love and the WR's take that next step forward to greatness?

Just thoughts.

[BF004]

(I do not hate Matt Lafleur)

In the past every one is like “muh Lafleur never gets considered for coach of the year” “robbery!!” Etc

Il just say that Lafleur is a good coach but he is in his 6th season and every single season we get 2-4 complete stinkers, and most of those are directly related to him.

That’s why he’s never considered the best coach of the year in any single season.

Not a LaFleur apologist, but 2-4 stinkers? You really including this one? Losing by 2 on the last play of the game? The 2nd winningest coach in NFL history through 100 games. Like all of the NFL.

We held Chicago to 224 yards, out gained them by 150 yards, playing our backup QB. And despite what anyone says, a basically meaningless game. If this is a “stinker” for you, we are unfortunately entering spoiled fan territory.

Ugh

Bears had lost 10 straight and we still had something to play for.

From the use of TOs, to the play calls, to who was played and who sat, to giving up punt return tds, to thinking the bears couldn’t snap a ball in 12 seconds, to playing Watson bc “Doubs was sick”…yes…absolutely this is a stinker of a coaching performance lol

“Stinker” of in game flubs by LaFleur, sure, bad clock management before field goal and !@#$ poor defensive call on that last defensive call. But we did come prepared to play, out played them, out gained them, guys were up. Bears had nothing to play for, neither really did we. We kept Love and Jacobs and others out all second half. We lost one game all year by more than one score….

But now I’m realizing we are headed towards a meaningless conversion on what stinker means.

[Drj820]

Not a LaFleur apologist, but 2-4 stinkers? You really including this one? Losing by 2 on the last play of the game? The 2nd winningest coach in NFL history through 100 games. Like all of the NFL.

We held Chicago to 224 yards, out gained them by 150 yards, playing our backup QB. And despite what anyone says, a basically meaningless game. If this is a “stinker” for you, we are unfortunately entering spoiled fan territory.

Ugh

Bears had lost 10 straight and we still had something to play for.

From the use of TOs, to the play calls, to who was played and who sat, to giving up punt return tds, to thinking the bears couldn’t snap a ball in 12 seconds, to playing Watson bc “Doubs was sick”…yes…absolutely this is a stinker of a coaching performance lol

“Stinker” of in game flubs by LaFleur, sure, bad clock management before field goal and !@#$ poor defensive call on that last defensive call. But we did come prepared to play, out played them, out gained them, guys were up. Bears had nothing to play for, neither really did we. We kept Love and Jacobs and others out all second half. We lost one game all year by more than one score….

But now I’m realizing we are headed towards a meaningless conversion on what stinker means.

Ya everything you mentioned at first is why I consider it a stinker.

More yards, “outplayed”, and all that stuff means absolutely nothing to me when the team was on a ten game losing streak. The only way that stuff matters is if you win. We did not, so the stuff you mentioned quickly makes it a “stinker”.

[APB]

Perspective.

Be like Josh.

[Drj820]

I honestly think we beat rusty philly

[RingoCStarrQB]

Another 'stinker" play was the trick punt return. Does that fall on LaCoach's shoulder's as well? Take those points off the board and the stinker transforms itself into an aromatic cigar accompanied by whatever else would have suited your fancy.

[RingoCStarrQB]

Perspective.

Be like Josh.

This early in the week the talk will be cheap. Packers have to make it happen on the field next Sunday in Philly or this is all hot air talk. PUCK Filly.

[APB]

Perspective.

Be like Josh.

This early in the week the talk will be cheap. Packers have to make it happen on the field next Sunday in Philly or this is all hot air talk. PUCK Filly.

Agree.

I am just pleased to hear the players haven’t thrown in the surrender towel on the season like many fans seem to have.

[Yoop]

Perspective.

Be like Josh.

This early in the week the talk will be cheap. Packers have to make it happen on the field next Sunday in Philly or this is all hot air talk. PUCK Filly.

Agree.

I am just pleased to hear the players haven’t thrown in the surrender towel on the season like many fans seem to have.

there paid not to do that, and we pay them not to do that, our only reimbursement is that they don't play like Pckfns HS varsity team

I watch a frustrated Matt Lafleur, his offense looks throtaled because Love is so slow to get rolling in games, a possible reflection of our receivers lack of separation ability or Love simply slow to get the ball out.

we all wanted better balance of run to pass, but did we want it at the cost of the ability to pass? seems like that's the result.

[Papa John]

I'm going to give my opinion about the exchange between @APB and @Gunzaan . The guy in that tweet which @APB embedded in his post is singing the same refrain we hear every year. Any fans who chose to acknowledge obvious shortcomings of the team are accused of sensationalism. This is not fair. Nobody on this board, that I have seen, is being overly dramatic. Simply stating the obvious. There are issues that we had last year, which are still issues this year. Having spent a lifetime in the business world, I come from a mindset of constant, continuous improvement. Sometimes it's like the Packers retain the mindset of the guy in that tweet: "let's just make sure we're good enough to get back to where we were last year, and anything can happen from there." The problem is, as history shows, anything can't happen. Improve or die. The Super Bowl doesn't work like the NBA draft lottery. It's not just some chance occurrence. There is a reason why the Chiefs and Patriots have dominated the last 25 years. When I see fundamental issues like clock strategy and player discipline continue year after year, yes I am going to call it out. We are the Green Bay Packers. The Jaguars should hang their hat on a playoff birth, not us.

[go pak go]

I'm going to give my opinion about the exchange between @APB and @Gunzaan . The guy in that tweet which @APB embedded in his post is singing the same refrain we hear every year. Any fans who chose to acknowledge obvious shortcomings of the team are accused of sensationalism. This is not fair. Nobody on this board, that I have seen, is being overly dramatic. Simply stating the obvious. There are issues that we had last year, which are still issues this year. Having spent a lifetime in the business world, I come from a mindset of constant, continuous improvement. Sometimes it's like the Packers retain the mindset of the guy in that tweet: "let's just make sure we're good enough to get back to where we were last year, and anything can happen from there." The problem is, as history shows, anything can't happen. Improve or die. The Super Bowl doesn't work like the NBA draft lottery. It's not just some chance occurrence. There is a reason why the Chiefs and Patriots have dominated the last 25 years. When I see fundamental issues like clock strategy and player discipline continue year after year, yes I am going to call it out. We are the Green Bay Packers. The Jaguars should hang their hat on a playoff birth, not us.

We seen signficant improvement for sure in some areas.

1. Run Defense
2. Defensive attitude and mentality
3. Tackling
4. Taking away the big plays
5. Turnover creation
6. Rushing attack
7. Finally being a bully in most of our games
8. Special Teams
9. Savings timeouts for the end

We also have seen regression in areas.

1. Penalties
2. Ball security
3. Not catching the ball
4. Passing attack, chemistry with QB/WRs, and accuracy
5. Clock management near half ends

Unfortunately #1 - #4 are really important regressions and have led to most of our losses in 2024.

So we see improvement in some areas. But regression other areas which is why I commonly state don't always chase the obvious in "team holes" in an offseason. Because these things are always so fluid.

[Pckfn23]

Nobody on this board, that I have seen, is being overly dramatic.

It was said that next year we WILL be fighting with the Bears for last in the division. I would call that overly dramatic.

Any fans who chose to acknowledge obvious shortcomings of the team are accused of sensationalism.

I don't think anyone has ever been called that for simply acknowledging our obvious shortcomings.

Having spent a lifetime in the business world, I come from a mindset of constant, continuous improvement.

Something to strive for, but not attainable in professional sports. Shoot for perfection. Settle for excellence.

Sometimes it's like the Packers retain the mindset of the guy in that tweet: "let's just make sure we're good enough to get back to where we were last year, and anything can happen from there." The problem is, as history shows, anything can't happen. Improve or die.

You would say the Giants beating the Patriots was not "anything can happen?" See above on the improve or die mantra. It's nice to say, but there are ebbs and flows in sports. Improvement should be the goal. NO TEAM EVER, has achieved continuous improvement as a franchise.

The Super Bowl doesn't work like the NBA draft lottery. It's not just some chance occurrence. There is a reason why the Chiefs and Patriots have dominated the last 25 years.

And the Patriots have been a dumpster fire since 2019. While the Chiefs won 2 playoff games from 1994 until winning the Super Bowl in 2019. I would LOVE for the Packers to be either of those teams. They are the pinnacle over the last 25 years, BUT neither fit your mantra of continuous improvement.

There are issues that we had last year, which are still issues this year.

What do you believe was an issue last year and is still an issue this year?

When I see fundamental issues like clock strategy and player discipline continue year after year, yes I am going to call it out.

Absolutely there have been clock management issues this year. 100%. EVERYONE has called that out. However that was not the case last year. LaFleur has also been awful in challenging this year. That is something LaFleur needs to improve on as it has been an issue in the past.

There were some high expectations set this year. We haven't met them. We wanted to be in the hunt for a Super Bowl and while we still are, everyone acknowledges that it probably isn't likely. We took a step back in some areas while improving in others. We wanted more. We didn't get it. It is not time to throw towel in.

One thing that is so disappointing is that no matter the DC we call the DUMBEST plays at the most inopportune times.

[APB]

I'm going to give my opinion about the exchange between @APB and @Gunzaan . The guy in that tweet which @APB embedded in his post is singing the same refrain we hear every year. Any fans who chose to acknowledge obvious shortcomings of the team are accused of sensationalism. This is not fair. Nobody on this board, that I have seen, is being overly dramatic. Simply stating the obvious. There are issues that we had last year, which are still issues this year. Having spent a lifetime in the business world, I come from a mindset of constant, continuous improvement. Sometimes it's like the Packers retain the mindset of the guy in that tweet: "let's just make sure we're good enough to get back to where we were last year, and anything can happen from there." The problem is, as history shows, anything can't happen. Improve or die. The Super Bowl doesn't work like the NBA draft lottery. It's not just some chance occurrence. There is a reason why the Chiefs and Patriots have dominated the last 25 years. When I see fundamental issues like clock strategy and player discipline continue year after year, yes I am going to call it out. We are the Green Bay Packers. The Jaguars should hang their hat on a playoff birth, not us.

As I said in my earlier response...you do you, I'll do me.

I make no apologies for remaining optimistic over these 2024 Packers. The time for focusing on their shortcomings - and there are many - will come for me.

Just not yet.

There's still a gameday to focus in on.

[Yoop]

I'm going to give my opinion about the exchange between @APB and @Gunzaan . The guy in that tweet which @APB embedded in his post is singing the same refrain we hear every year. Any fans who chose to acknowledge obvious shortcomings of the team are accused of sensationalism. This is not fair. Nobody on this board, that I have seen, is being overly dramatic. Simply stating the obvious. There are issues that we had last year, which are still issues this year. Having spent a lifetime in the business world, I come from a mindset of constant, continuous improvement. Sometimes it's like the Packers retain the mindset of the guy in that tweet: "let's just make sure we're good enough to get back to where we were last year, and anything can happen from there." The problem is, as history shows, anything can't happen. Improve or die. The Super Bowl doesn't work like the NBA draft lottery. It's not just some chance occurrence. There is a reason why the Chiefs and Patriots have dominated the last 25 years. When I see fundamental issues like clock strategy and player discipline continue year after year, yes I am going to call it out. We are the Green Bay Packers. The Jaguars should hang their hat on a playoff birth, not us.

We seen signficant improvement for sure in some areas.

1. Run Defense
2. Defensive attitude and mentality
3. Tackling
4. Taking away the big plays
5. Turnover creation
6. Rushing attack
7. Finally being a bully in most of our games
8. Special Teams
9. Savings timeouts for the end

We also have seen regression in areas.

1. Penalties
2. Ball security
3. Not catching the ball
4. Passing attack, chemistry with QB/WRs, and accuracy
5. Clock management near half ends

Unfortunately #1 - #4 are really important regressions and have led to most of our losses in 2024.

So we see improvement in some areas. But regression other areas which is why I commonly state don't always chase the obvious in "team holes" in an offseason. Because these things are always so fluid.

the way our defense ended this game, the way Lafleuer blew clock management again, almost seems like the goal was to play Philly, and if Watson has another miraculous recovery and plays against them it would seem Lafleur intended to lose to the Bears, this had to be one of the worst coached games I've seen in years, there is no valid excuse or reason for basically giving Chicago that last pass play so they could get close to kick a winning FG, if that wasn't on purpose someone should lose there job, Lafluer is known for that stuff with Barry, and if he told Hafley to do that he's on my hot seat.