Packers Huddle

Alright let's set the record straight at "what they actually did" at the time.

Remember. 2017 and 2018 were really bad years. Thompson was on the way out and Gute came in. Immediately Gute put together a great draft by drafting Jaire Alexander and picking up a 2019 first round pick to boot. It was a grand slam.

Going into 2019, the aura in Green Bay was poor. It was so poor in 2018 that "anti-tank yoop" defended Rodgers by saying he tanked to sack McCarthy and is somehow okay with Rodgers's actions because a message needed to be sent. That's how bad it got in 2018. Our offense stunk. Our defense stunk. Our energy was low.

Enter 2019 - GB hires a young MLF who has a new offensive scheme that is in the McVay line. GB then signs 3 key FAs early in FA. Fans b*tched at the price tag BUT THEY WORKED. And they worked immediately. Green Bay wins 13 wins despite a mediocre passing attack. Something that hasn't happened in GB in a long time (win games even without stellar QB play)

Enter 2020 - A lot of hype going into 2020 and boy was it warranted. Rodgers has a resurgence as the team shifted to MLF's scheme. Rodgers has arguably his best season and the Packers have the best record in the league. SB is on the mind of everyone until Bak suffers an ACL injury on 12/31/2020. We know what happens after that. Poor playcalling on specific plays. Poor play be specific players in the heat of th moment. Our players and coaches didn't rise to the occassion when they needed to.

Enter 2021 - Same. Rodgers isn't to the level he was in 2020 but still wins MVP. GB finds ways to win without our LT and there is hope he will be ready come the post season. Bak plays vs Detroit week 17 and crushes it. Hopes are high. The defense is coming together at the right time. Our defense held the opponent to 6 points in a post season game! We know what happens after that.

3 seasons. 13 wins each season. The Packers won games with our stars and without our stars. The Packers beat all the top teams in the NFC during the regular season except SF in 2019. The Packers were the team.

You can look back now and use revisionist history and make claims to why Gute and MLF were successful but the fact remains that they elevated our defense from pre 2019 levels (2016 - 2018 were bad defenses) and they elevated Rodgers to arguably 2 of his best 4 years in his career. That is why they got an extension. But if they can't keep it up, their seat will get warmer with each loss. That is also the life of an NFL employee.

But can we all agree that at minimum we need new WR & OL coaches?

Oh, and fire Joe Barry

BF004 wrote: ↑

25 Oct 2023 07:56

Lafleur and Gute and Ball were all just extended last offseason. They aren’t going anywhere this offseason.

Those same 49ers who everyone likes to drool over stick with their staff after like a 2-14 season.

Being a copy cat league and given it would be insanely expensive (maybe pushing $100 million). After 3 straight 13 win seasons, they are all going to be back next year pretty much no questions asked.


Right or wrong, not an endorsement of them, just the business and $$ side says they will be here again. They got 15 months minimum to get back on track.

We don’t care about money. We just signed Rodgers to a huge deal and got rid of him in one season. Another brilliant move of Gutenbumsts.

BF004 wrote: ↑

25 Oct 2023 09:00

You generally never let coaches or gm’s have lame duck seasons. Get a bad reputation, force them to make irresponsible short term decisions.

Matt was signed for 5 years, 39 wins after his first 3 years, no brainer to extend him at the time.

This is my problem. Because next year they’re going to be trying to save their jobs. They are going to need to make the playoffs next season because 3 straight misses is a for sure firing. And that’s how you end up like the Bears old staff trying to survive a little longer but really screwing their team even more.

Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑

25 Oct 2023 12:11

But can we all agree that at minimum we need new WR & OL coaches?

Oh, and fire Joe Barry

And here’s another criticism of LaFleur. He has done a downright terrible job of hiring assistant coaches to his staff. The DCs have been bad. The STs coordinators have been bad. Bisaccia is fine but not best in the league fine like he’s being paid. The position coaches all over the team have not been good.

go pak go wrote: ↑

25 Oct 2023 11:01

Going into 2019, the aura in Green Bay was poor. It was so poor in 2018 that "anti-tank yoop" defended Rodgers by saying he tanked to sack McCarthy and is somehow okay with Rodgers's actions because a message needed to be sent. That's how bad it got in 2018. Our offense stunk. Our defense stunk. Our energy was low.

wha????? I said a lot of stuff to defend Rodgers when he wouldn't take the check down receivers, some posters (who cares who) said he wasn't seeing them, the message, and it did appear he was sending one, was in my opinion, get receivers that fit McCarthys spread verticals, or, right, change coaches.

why you felt the need to add tank to how Rodgers played, I have no idea, other then to establish that changes needed to happen, that was the draft of the 3 mid round very raw receivers I dubbed the 3 stooges, certainly not the help either Mike or Aaron needed that season.

myself, I was on the Guty train when he brought in both Smiths and Amos, I jumped off when he used slot 12 on a player that needed two season of grooming and backup duty to start, I would have taken a more ready to play guy at a position of starter needs, but thats me.

I make no case now either way for any of the FO people, let the season play out.

Yoop wrote: ↑

25 Oct 2023 18:15

go pak go wrote: ↑

25 Oct 2023 11:01

Going into 2019, the aura in Green Bay was poor. It was so poor in 2018 that "anti-tank yoop" defended Rodgers by saying he tanked to sack McCarthy and is somehow okay with Rodgers's actions because a message needed to be sent. That's how bad it got in 2018. Our offense stunk. Our defense stunk. Our energy was low.

wha????? I said a lot of stuff to defend Rodgers when he wouldn't take the check down receivers, some posters (who cares who) said he wasn't seeing them, the message, and it did appear he was sending one, was in my opinion, get receivers that fit McCarthys spread verticals, or, right, change coaches.

why you felt the need to add tank to how Rodgers played, I have no idea, other then to establish that changes needed to happen, that was the draft of the 3 mid round very raw receivers I dubbed the 3 stooges, certainly not the help either Mike or Aaron needed that season.

lol. okay yoop.

Not "tank" but "sent a message"

2 completely different things. Whatever makes you sleep.

APB wrote: ↑

25 Oct 2023 19:30

I wish everyone watched these and other analysis. Gives a really good picture of what is going. Much better look than during game time.

APB wrote: ↑

25 Oct 2023 19:30

That second play drives me crazy. Does Watson even know his assignment half the time?

Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑

25 Oct 2023 21:14

That second play drives me crazy. Does Watson even know his assignment half the time?

No

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

25 Oct 2023 20:15

APB wrote: ↑

25 Oct 2023 19:30

I wish everyone watched these and other analysis. Gives a really good picture of what is going. Much better look than during game time.

I really like watching these. My opinion hasn't changed really though. Love does things good at times but he just needs to be better. Sometimes alot better.

1. The one clusterfluck of a play with 2 receivers in the same area with one stopping and Love throwing the out and the reciever stopped, I think most us knew that wasn't on Love.

2. The contested TD pass was an egregiously late and underthrown ball. Should have been a pitch and catch TD in the corner of the end zone, not almost picked.

3. Final drive I watched it over and over and disagree with the Author some based on what I am seeing. Not Loves fault were in 2nd and 20, so that doesn't help. It was a tough anticipatory throw, but one that a good QB can make. He didn't. Still had Plenty of time on the Clock with a timeout on 3rd and 20 and we know what happened. Author said PROBABLY the right play. I don't like it. I think alot can go wrong there and it did. There's alot of Ifs there that one could argue. He had Doubs on a pitch and catch on an out on the sideline to about the 44. A throw that Love seems to do quite well. The corner was playing off Doubs so if the balls on time its good. They would have had a more manageable 4th and 10ish. Time wasn't an issue. You throw a pick and its game over. Another option at that point (not mine however) is if you complete to Doubs is to attempt a 61 FG. As the Author said, it's Denver. Probably a better chance with that than the intercepted bomb that was a 10 yard underthrown lame duck. To me its a crap throw and a bad decision rolled into one.
Just my two cents.
Go Pack!!

MY_TAKE wrote: ↑

27 Oct 2023 04:24

2. The contested TD pass was an egregiously late and underthrown ball. Should have been a pitch and catch TD in the corner of the end zone, not almost picked.

It was not late so much as Love made it harder than it needed to be by running up into pressure. Had he slid or hitched up, or even stayed, it would have been much easier on him. JT O'Sullivan has started to touch on his pocket presence and how he is bailing too quickly these last few weeks. Making throws harder than they need to be.

3. Final drive I watched it over and over and disagree with the Author some based on what I am seeing. Not Loves fault were in 2nd and 20, so that doesn't help. It was a tough anticipatory throw, but one that a good QB can make. He didn't.

This one was touched on by Benkert that Watson was supposed to cut under the safety instead of over. Miscommunication.

Still had Plenty of time on the Clock with a timeout on 3rd and 20 and we know what happened. Author said PROBABLY the right play. I don't like it. I think alot can go wrong there and it did. There's alot of Ifs there that one could argue. He had Doubs on a pitch and catch on an out on the sideline to about the 44. A throw that Love seems to do quite well. The corner was playing off Doubs so if the balls on time its good. They would have had a more manageable 4th and 10ish. Time wasn't an issue. You throw a pick and its game over. Another option at that point (not mine however) is if you complete to Doubs is to attempt a 61 FG. As the Author said, it's Denver. Probably a better chance with that than the intercepted bomb that was a 10 yard underthrown lame duck. To me its a crap throw and a bad decision rolled into one.
Just my two cents.
Go Pack!!

As JT O'Sullivan explains it the decision makes sense, the throw was short and inside. This is an example of those accuracy issues that I see from Love. They are not all the time, but they crop up too much because of bad footwork or bad pocket presence. Between Warner, O'Sullivan, Orlovsky, Kuhn/Dusty, etc... I can't say Love is doing as poorly as the game footage looks. In short, we are a VERY young offense and it is showing play after play.

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

25 Oct 2023 07:00

I don’t think I am. I have said for years now that Gutenbumst is an awful GM. AWFUL. I’ve tried educating the forum but it’s fallen on deaf ears besides yoop ironically.

I’ve said after the Buccs NFC championship that LaFleur isn’t the guy because his in game decision making, personnel choices, and game plan were all bad.

Murphy hired both. If we are going to fire Gutenbumst who is the real problem for what’s happening on the field he’s going to want his own coach anyways. When Murphy has to leave in a year he’s more than likely going to want his own GM that isn’t a moron.

Might as well clean house now.

Gutekunst actually did a pretty good job in his first two seasons as the general manager but it has changed for the worse since the 2020 draft. In my opinion it's still difficult to fairly evaluate MLF as he definitely benefitted from having Rodgers as the QB but has an extremely inexperienced roster to work with this season.

Murphy has done a fantastic job of making sure the Packers create enough revenue to stay competitive. While I wish he wouldn't be as involved in football decisions as he has been in the past few years I don't blame him for Gutekunst doing a poor job lately. With him having to retire before the 2025 season I understand he's not interested in making any major moves before that.

MLF is going to need to try Clifford at some stage to save his job, however maybe Gute won't let him.

bud fox wrote: ↑

31 Oct 2023 04:27

MLF is going to need to try Clifford at some stage to save his job, however maybe Gute won't let him.

I highly doubt Clifford would help keep MLF his job if he ends up being in danger of losing it.