Packers Huddle

RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 14:10

Yoop wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 13:04

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 12:41

it's all about chemistry and rhythm, ya don't see drops when QB and receivers are on the same page,
Yes you do...

not to the degree we see because of Love
you see that 1.5 or 2 a game average.

again when a QB and his receivers are linked up we see the ball out in front of the receiver, so he can catch it in stride, when was the last time you saw a QB heave long toss ups where the receiver had to win contested catch, it's almost every long pass from Love, that's because he isn't reading his damn progressions, doesn't show patience required to just take the check down and move the chains, we use to blame what Love is doing on Rodgers, now you want to defend the QB and blame the receivers.

I will cautiously burst in now......even though I wasn't invited. Love failures are a direct result of improper coaching. Holmgren would have this fixed by now. Watch LaCoach's Q&A session from Sunday. He continues to exude borderline #12 AR arrogance. Doesn't take blame for anything. Somehow the press let's him get away with this. He should be fired for not starting Malik and not transitioning from Rodgers to Love correctly. LaCoach doesn't take the heat very well from anyone. Prissy Prissy Prissy Arrogance.

When did Holmgren ever fix Favre? Everybody knew he was going to throw 2 to 3 interceptable balls every game. He was just lucky that he often launched them so hard and it got on the defender so quickly it was dropped especially early in his career.

Cdragon wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 14:19

RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 14:10

Yoop wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 13:04

not to the degree we see because of Love
you see that 1.5 or 2 a game average.

again when a QB and his receivers are linked up we see the ball out in front of the receiver, so he can catch it in stride, when was the last time you saw a QB heave long toss ups where the receiver had to win contested catch, it's almost every long pass from Love, that's because he isn't reading his damn progressions, doesn't show patience required to just take the check down and move the chains, we use to blame what Love is doing on Rodgers, now you want to defend the QB and blame the receivers.

I will cautiously burst in now......even though I wasn't invited. Love failures are a direct result of improper coaching. Holmgren would have this fixed by now. Watch LaCoach's Q&A session from Sunday. He continues to exude borderline #12 AR arrogance. Doesn't take blame for anything. Somehow the press let's him get away with this. He should be fired for not starting Malik and not transitioning from Rodgers to Love correctly. LaCoach doesn't take the heat very well from anyone. Prissy Prissy Prissy Arrogance.

When did Holmgren ever fix Favre? Everybody knew he was going to throw 2 to 3 interceptable balls every game. He was just lucky that he often launched them so hard and it got on the defender so quickly it was dropped especially early in his career.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 13:24

Yoop wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 13:20

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 13:02

I don't need to pigeonhole you, you do it yourself when you completely flip flop on topics.

Love gets a defense from the likes of you because he deserves it. Outside of 1 play, a damning play no doubt, he had a good game. His receivers let him down.

what flip-flop? are you comparing all those new, raw receivers to this group of 2nd and 3rd year vets? wet conditions and mostly off target throws led to the 5 drops, one game where the receivers didn't bail Love out, his terrible decisions led to the Watson injury.

You claimed to know the receivers routes and the game plan, which you didn't, and then solely blamed it on the receivers. Now you claim to know the routes and game plan, and are solely blaming it on the QB. 100% a flip flop.

you act like I'am a Love hater the way you became with Rodgers (hehe) , when we both know LOve is setting his receivers up for body bags, throwing them into vicious hits or double coverage when he has open receivers elsewhere.

Love the hyperbole again! You watch a game with an already formed opinion.

hey Love is our QB, I want to see him do better, we paid him to be better, but he needs to take what the defense will give up more then just winging it, or making these bone headed decisions.

He does take what the defense is giving him the vast majority of the time. It is the 3 or so plays where he gets flustered or throws it up that are the issue. Period.

You have no idea what you see when you watch a football game. It's crazy.

if it was behind Lazard, more then likely thats on Lazard for running past the pitch point, as upset as Rodgers openly was, he would be the last place I'd lay that blame

This, this right here is your &%$@ yoop.

If you were consistent in your arguments, which you never are, it should read like this:

"if it was behind Wicks, more then likely thats on Wicks for running past the pitch point, as upset as Love openly was, he would be the last place I'd lay that blame"

you gloss right over Rodgers reaction after the throw to Lazard, seemed obvious Rodgers expected Allen to set up, he didn't so the throw looked off target

who knows with Wicks, Love has been so inconsistent, and Wicks touted as a great route runner, that alone leads me to believe the throw was off target and Wicks simply couldn't haul it in.

and 3 or 4 poor plays is the difference between winning and losing, your trying to say the good over comes the bad, but the bad may have us sitting home in January

Yoop wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 14:21

and 3 or 4 poor plays is the difference between winning and losing, your trying to say the good over comes the bad, but the bad may have us sitting home in January

NO. None of that. I am saying he needs to fix those 3 or 4 poor plays a game.

$%@# it is a struggle for you to read what is written sometimes...

The concept of no home playoff game at Lambeau in January 2025 is disgusting. Should have started Malik......

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 14:22

Yoop wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 14:21

and 3 or 4 poor plays is the difference between winning and losing, your trying to say the good over comes the bad, but the bad may have us sitting home in January

NO. None of that. I am saying he needs to fix those 3 or 4 poor plays a game.

$%@# it is a struggle for you to read what is written sometimes...

that's because you don't say what you mean, of course, Love needs to stop making poor decisions, what I've said, and you are now attempting to twist, is that those poor decisions are the main reason we've lost 3 games

RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 14:26

The concept of no home playoff game at Lambeau in January 2025 is disgusting. Should have started Malik......

hindsight 20/20, yes, or just pulled Love after the pick 6, it would have also allowed more time off for the groin to heel, even the MCL

In hindsight I’m kind of glad MLF did not pull Love. He needs to know how to respond to adversity and he really did to be fair. He moved the ball in a must pass situation against the top team in the conference while injured and in horrible weather conditions. Hopefully that is the turning point for Love this season.

Apparently this is what got the Unnecessary Roughness penalty...

In case anyone is still interested in average drops per game:

1. Average passes per game is 32 per team.
2. Average completion rate is about 66%.
3. Average drop rate of catchable balls is about 6.7%.

Therefore the number of catchable balls per team per game is 73% x 32 = 23, of which average 1.5 are dropped.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/p ... s-per-game
https://operations.nfl.com/gameday/anal ... f%206.7%25.

Undisciplined team, almost like we are the youngest team in the league.

Talent isn’t in doubt, but they gotta get it right mentally, haven’t seen anything yet this year that tells me they can’t win the Super Bowl.

Great time for a bye, very needed.

BF004 wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 18:35

Undisciplined team, almost like we are the youngest team in the league.

Talent isn’t in doubt, but they gotta get it right mentally, haven’t seen anything yet this year that tells me they can’t win the Super Bowl.

Great time for a bye, very needed.

Super Bowl?? I never considered this team a SB contender...yet. I think we are a year or 2 away. Until they become more disciplined and stop hurting themselves with these screwups we won't be hoisting a Lombardi any time soon.

Yoop wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 13:20

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 13:02

I don't need to pigeonhole you, you do it yourself when you completely flip flop on topics.

Love gets a defense from the likes of you because he deserves it. Outside of 1 play, a damning play no doubt, he had a good game. His receivers let him down.

what flip-flop? are you comparing all those new, raw receivers to this group of 2nd and 3rd year vets? wet conditions and mostly off target throws led to the 5 drops,

I know you will never understand this because this has been told to you before and you just can't wrap your mind around it.

The statement you have bolded "mostly off target throws led to the 5 drops," can never be factually correct. Your statement is an oxymoron.

A "mostly off target pass" is impossible to be dropped because it would never be considered a drop. A drop's definition is

"incomplete passes where the receiver SHOULD have caught the pass with ORDINARY effort."

"Only use this if the receiver is 100 percent at fault and no one else can be blamed for the incompletion,"

When a receiver is credited for a drop...it's because the receiver dropped it. Not because the quarterback threw a bad ball.

Pugger wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 19:39

BF004 wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 18:35

Undisciplined team, almost like we are the youngest team in the league.

Talent isn’t in doubt, but they gotta get it right mentally, haven’t seen anything yet this year that tells me they can’t win the Super Bowl.

Great time for a bye, very needed.

Super Bowl?? I never considered this team a SB contender...yet. I think we are a year or 2 away. Until they become more disciplined and stop hurting themselves with these screwups we won't be hoisting a Lombardi any time soon.

This team will be VERY different 2 years from now. Next year is kind of the last hurrah of this team before we see a slight turnover of a new squad.

Usually a roster can largely stay together for 3 years. This roster started together in 2023. This roster window is basically 2023 - 2025 before we see that next turn.

go pak go wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 20:41

Yoop wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 13:20

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 13:02

I don't need to pigeonhole you, you do it yourself when you completely flip flop on topics.

Love gets a defense from the likes of you because he deserves it. Outside of 1 play, a damning play no doubt, he had a good game. His receivers let him down.

what flip-flop? are you comparing all those new, raw receivers to this group of 2nd and 3rd year vets? wet conditions and mostly off target throws led to the 5 drops,

I know you will never understand this because this has been told to you before and you just can't wrap your mind around it.

The statement you have bolded "mostly off target throws led to the 5 drops," can never be factually correct. Your statement is an oxymoron.

A "mostly off target pass" is impossible to be dropped because it would never be considered a drop. A drop's definition is

"incomplete passes where the receiver SHOULD have caught the pass with ORDINARY effort."

"Only use this if the receiver is 100 percent at fault and no one else can be blamed for the incompletion,"

When a receiver is credited for a drop...it's because the receiver dropped it. Not because the quarterback threw a bad ball.

I get it, my whole point is that just possibly if Love threw the damn ball so that the receiver didn't have to adjust for the catch, like behind them they may have caught several of those game changing drops, and those are bad balls, there not were passes are designed to be thrown, or are easy to catch.

as you said, unless Love starts playing better we won't even be in the PO's, and while not all his fault, his play so far is why I wanted to wait till about now to do that contract extension.

someone said they were glad Love didn't confront his receivers like Rodgers would have, IMO Love should be in the face of Wicks, drops are typically a lack of concentration, Wicks needs to start finishing the catch process, and Vrabel ain't getting that through to him, another voice wouldn't hurt

lastly, it was beyond obvious the groin injury was still hampering Love, why even play him? we were up against a fast defense, even without their best rusher still got after Love, pick 6, just second guessing but I think we would have done just as well with Willis, we needed a mobile QB Sunday

I don't care about the Rodgers love comparisons. I get it, but they too are unfounded IMO. This team was down plenty of times with Rodgers and he got on people and those teams didn't quit either. They rallied more often than not behind their QB. I'm fairly confident the relation ship between players and Rodgers was quite different than the media and fan perception.

Love is good, but still makes too many mistakes that are big to be elite IMO, regardless of his elite plays that also happen. I firmly think he can and should be at an elite level when all is said and done. He has the tools. And While he "could" be more accurate at times, my bigger concern is the pass catchers could also help him out at times and make an NFL catch, extend the drive and watch things take off when we get to run more plays. it's not an either or equation.

I can forgive a 3-4 not great passes a game, they all do it. But when 1 or 2 of those are bone headed it's obviously worse. What's worse on top of it is when the they drop the other 2 not great ones and then drop 4 more that are pretty decent too. We can't have that. you can't run a smooth offense with that. It will always be fits and sputters and too few points.

Pugger wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 19:39

BF004 wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 18:35

Undisciplined team, almost like we are the youngest team in the league.

Talent isn’t in doubt, but they gotta get it right mentally, haven’t seen anything yet this year that tells me they can’t win the Super Bowl.

Great time for a bye, very needed.

Super Bowl?? I never considered this team a SB contender...yet. I think we are a year or 2 away. Until they become more disciplined and stop hurting themselves with these screwups we won't be hoisting a Lombardi any time soon.

We are definitely Super Bowl contenders. We were within a minute of the Championship game last year. Our D is miles ahead of last year. We now have a kicker with a reasonable expectation of putting it through the uprights. We have a beast of a runner. We know our QB can play better. I'd like a little more depth on the D side of the ball but we are in the mix. Just need to stop aiding the enemy and some racing luck. Who knows what today's contenders are going to be in 2 months. We could easily surface as the top dogs!

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 14:22

Yoop wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 14:21

and 3 or 4 poor plays is the difference between winning and losing, your trying to say the good over comes the bad, but the bad may have us sitting home in January

NO. None of that. I am saying he needs to fix those 3 or 4 poor plays a game.

$%@# it is a struggle for you to read what is written sometimes...

and yet you still apparently keep thinking he will

Half Empty wrote: ↑

05 Nov 2024 11:03

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 14:22

Yoop wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 14:21

and 3 or 4 poor plays is the difference between winning and losing, your trying to say the good over comes the bad, but the bad may have us sitting home in January

NO. None of that. I am saying he needs to fix those 3 or 4 poor plays a game.

$%@# it is a struggle for you to read what is written sometimes...

and yet you still apparently keep thinking he will

Ya, I'm an idiot.

go pak go wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 20:45

Pugger wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 19:39

BF004 wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2024 18:35

Undisciplined team, almost like we are the youngest team in the league.

Talent isn’t in doubt, but they gotta get it right mentally, haven’t seen anything yet this year that tells me they can’t win the Super Bowl.

Great time for a bye, very needed.

Super Bowl?? I never considered this team a SB contender...yet. I think we are a year or 2 away. Until they become more disciplined and stop hurting themselves with these screwups we won't be hoisting a Lombardi any time soon.

This team will be VERY different 2 years from now. Next year is kind of the last hurrah of this team before we see a slight turnover of a new squad.

Usually a roster can largely stay together for 3 years. This roster started together in 2023. This roster window is basically 2023 - 2025 before we see that next turn.

17 guys who are free agents next year, but surprisingly few with a real impact. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-p ... ar/dir/asc