Re: Bears at Packers GDT: Sunday Dec 12th, 7:20pm CST
Posted: 13 Dec 2021 06:42
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This still isn't the problem. We know he can do it, because he did it in the game. Its a conscious decision to kick it short and try to cover it most of the time. The wind wasn't bad enough yesterday to cause problems.TheSkeptic wrote: ↑13 Dec 2021 07:07Crosby needs to kick it at least halfway through the EZ. If he can't, let someone else kickoff, perhaps the punter.
Then the coach needs to be fired for telling him not to. It should be clear that neither the kickoff nor punting team can cover. Telling him to kick it near the sideline did not work out so great eitherpaco wrote: ↑13 Dec 2021 07:10This still isn't the problem. We know he can do it, because he did it in the game. Its a conscious decision to kick it short and try to cover it most of the time. The wind wasn't bad enough yesterday to cause problems.TheSkeptic wrote: ↑13 Dec 2021 07:07Crosby needs to kick it at least halfway through the EZ. If he can't, let someone else kickoff, perhaps the punter.
I agree.TheSkeptic wrote: ↑13 Dec 2021 07:20Then the coach needs to be fired for telling him not to. It should be clear that neither the kickoff nor punting team can cover. Telling him to kick it near the sideline did not work out so great eitherpaco wrote: ↑13 Dec 2021 07:10This still isn't the problem. We know he can do it, because he did it in the game. Its a conscious decision to kick it short and try to cover it most of the time. The wind wasn't bad enough yesterday to cause problems.TheSkeptic wrote: ↑13 Dec 2021 07:07Crosby needs to kick it at least halfway through the EZ. If he can't, let someone else kickoff, perhaps the punter.
I suppose the difference is the Packers player was pushed out-of-bounds while the Bears gunner basically went out on his own to avoid the defender. They're both penalty's but one was called, one wasn't. And when you add in the momentous shift change the Bears penalty play could have had, yeah I'd be a little PO'd too.
typically we stop the return prior to the 25 yrd line, we had a bad coverage game, to many good things can happen if ya force a return, such as a fumbled kick, to bad the Bears don't have Amari Rodgers fielding punts and kicksTheSkeptic wrote: ↑13 Dec 2021 07:20Then the coach needs to be fired for telling him not to. It should be clear that neither the kickoff nor punting team can cover. Telling him to kick it near the sideline did not work out so great eitherpaco wrote: ↑13 Dec 2021 07:10This still isn't the problem. We know he can do it, because he did it in the game. Its a conscious decision to kick it short and try to cover it most of the time. The wind wasn't bad enough yesterday to cause problems.TheSkeptic wrote: ↑13 Dec 2021 07:07Crosby needs to kick it at least halfway through the EZ. If he can't, let someone else kickoff, perhaps the punter.
I'm not keeping track of any streak but I think it's safe to say our ST play, as a whole as well as individual aspects, truly suck. Bojo has been the lone bright spot but even he has struggled a bit.
Alot can and has gone bad also. I dont think we get many stops before the 25 to justify this. Kick the damn thing through the EZ and let the d handle the rest.Yoop wrote: ↑13 Dec 2021 08:29typically we stop the return prior to the 25 yrd line, we had a bad coverage game, to many good things can happen if ya force a return, such as a fumbled kick, to bad the Bears don't have Amari Rodgers fielding punts and kicksTheSkeptic wrote: ↑13 Dec 2021 07:20Then the coach needs to be fired for telling him not to. It should be clear that neither the kickoff nor punting team can cover. Telling him to kick it near the sideline did not work out so great either
Idk who is yelling but like I said IF Crosby can kick it through the endzone do it Everytime. That alone is an improvement. IF BoJo can angle it to the sideline do it. If it goes out oh well.... It still better then a long return. Cant score tds or get 50 yard returns if you take away the option. JSYoHoChecko wrote: ↑13 Dec 2021 10:10I don't know what people expect to be done about a unit that is bad at week 14 in the season. Our special teams are bad and we have to learn to win with them, despite them; that's who we are. No use yelling about improvements this far into the season.
I get your point, I went to find data that would show Opponents rarely get past the 25 on returns, no luck, so I have to go by memory, obviously these long returns stand out, but imho they are the exception.Backthepack4ever wrote: ↑13 Dec 2021 09:16Alot can and has gone bad also. I dont think we get many stops before the 25 to justify this. Kick the damn thing through the EZ and let the d handle the rest.Yoop wrote: ↑13 Dec 2021 08:29typically we stop the return prior to the 25 yrd line, we had a bad coverage game, to many good things can happen if ya force a return, such as a fumbled kick, to bad the Bears don't have Amari Rodgers fielding punts and kicksTheSkeptic wrote: ↑13 Dec 2021 07:20
Then the coach needs to be fired for telling him not to. It should be clear that neither the kickoff nor punting team can cover. Telling him to kick it near the sideline did not work out so great either
This STs sheet show will lose a playoff game if allowed to continue this mess. Its inexcusable and heads should roll today not tomorrow today
If it exists, I bet [mention]Pckfn23[/mention] can find that breakdown.Yoop wrote: ↑13 Dec 2021 10:32I went to find data that would show Opponents rarely get past the 25 on returns, no luck, so I have to go by memory, obviously these long returns stand out, but imho they are the exception.
I also think Crosby has lost some leg power, with little wind issues he can boot it deep, against a breeze, not so much, in that regard it seems we opt for hang time and coverage, again going from memory I think we've had quite a few stops short of the 25, most though are probably stopped prior to the 30.
yes please, I'am terrible at researching for some of this data.APB wrote: ↑13 Dec 2021 10:46If it exists, I bet @Pckfn23 can find that breakdown.Yoop wrote: ↑13 Dec 2021 10:32I went to find data that would show Opponents rarely get past the 25 on returns, no luck, so I have to go by memory, obviously these long returns stand out, but imho they are the exception.
I also think Crosby has lost some leg power, with little wind issues he can boot it deep, against a breeze, not so much, in that regard it seems we opt for hang time and coverage, again going from memory I think we've had quite a few stops short of the 25, most though are probably stopped prior to the 30.
Brandon - is there data that shows Packers opponent average starting field position following a returned kickoff? To that point, what is the ST unit's standing in in the league on that measure?