Packers Huddle

Labrev wrote: ↑

18 Nov 2022 11:52

If you think a squad with Clark, Reed, Wyatt, Gary, Smith, Campbell, Walker (physically), Jaire, Stokes, Douglas, Nixon, Amos, now Ford (how did HE end up on the roster, wise guy?) is talent deficient, I don't know what to say to you.

>"one year wonders (i.e. Stokes) don't count" ... this confuses talent with performance. It's a coach's job to get the talent to perform, not management.

The latter's job is simply to provide it, which they patently did: we are fielding the same damn group as last year and that Defense was by all metrics very good, only loss was Z who wasn't part of the team other than 2 games; we know for a fact that these players can make a top D.

Take your own advice on awakening.

Sounds good. Going forward we are set. U have convinced me.

Labrev wrote: ↑

18 Nov 2022 11:52

If you think a squad with Clark, Reed, Wyatt, Gary, Smith, Campbell, Walker (physically), Jaire, Stokes, Douglas, Nixon, Amos, now Ford (how did HE end up on the roster, wise guy?) is talent deficient, I don't know what to say to you.

>"one year wonders (i.e. Stokes) don't count" ... this confuses talent with performance. It's a coach's job to get the talent to perform, not management.

The latter's job is simply to provide it, which they patently did: we are fielding the same damn group as last year and that Defense was by all metrics very good, only loss was Z who wasn't part of the team other than 2 games; we know for a fact that these players can make a top D.

Take your own advice on awakening.

not to continue to defend ( I'am doing a lot of that lately) but give this group to Capers and he'd get a hell of a lot more production from these players imo, trouble was Capers never had a complete positional group of starter talent year after year, there was a 3 year stretch when we had 3rd stringers at all 3 CB spots, hell we ran out of backup ILB's, edge rushers, when people talk about rebuilding the first thing that comes to mind is it's taken us half a decade to assemble this group.

I think Pettines defense declined in his second season too, obviously players don't always perform the same year after year, but that strikes me as the coach designing more complex schemes and what we see are broken coverages, and confused players, this defense was so much better last year and we added Rookie sensation ILB Walker, and Reed and Ford, no excuse for the play we see on the field

Milwaukee Journal Sports Page headline reads A TOTAL FAILURE. Tom Silverstein wrote CHANGE ON DEFENSE NEEDED AT THE TOP. Then he wrote "There's something rotten with the Green Bay Packers defense ..........

While the defense has certainly underperformed, the offense has given them no favors. They do nothing to help them stay rested. Way too many 3 and outs. Offense doesn’t even need to score, just get a couple first downs to flip the field and let the DL rest would help alot

Drj820 wrote: ↑

19 Nov 2022 21:26

While the defense has certainly underperformed, the offense has given them no favors. They do nothing to help them stay rested. Way too many 3 and outs. Offense doesn’t even need to score, just get a couple first downs to flip the field and let the DL rest would help alot

The Packers have been a total team failure this year. The defense doesn't help the offense, the offense doesn't help the defense and the special teams haven't helped anyone.

Reauhlust saw the post you nuked, I made sure of that.

Labrev wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022 11:15

Reauhlust saw the post you nuked, I made sure of that.

What does that even mean?

Realist wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022 11:54

Labrev wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022 11:15

Reauhlust saw the post you nuked, I made sure of that.

What does that even mean?

wUt d0ez dat evuhn meeeeyn?

Labrev wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022 12:37

Realist wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022 11:54

Labrev wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022 11:15

Reauhlust saw the post you nuked, I made sure of that.

What does that even mean?

wUt d0ez dat evuhn meeeeyn?

I dont think this guy is a fan of mine. I may have triggered him somehow. Yikes!

Drj820 wrote: ↑

19 Nov 2022 21:26

While the defense has certainly underperformed, the offense has given them no favors. They do nothing to help them stay rested. Way too many 3 and outs. Offense doesn’t even need to score, just get a couple first downs to flip the field and let the DL rest would help alot

This

williewasgreat wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022 05:24

Drj820 wrote: ↑

19 Nov 2022 21:26

While the defense has certainly underperformed, the offense has given them no favors. They do nothing to help them stay rested. Way too many 3 and outs. Offense doesn’t even need to score, just get a couple first downs to flip the field and let the DL rest would help alot

The Packers have been a total team failure this year. The defense doesn't help the offense, the offense doesn't help the defense and the special teams haven't helped anyone.

Ain't that the dang truth.

TheSkeptic wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022 14:12

Drj820 wrote: ↑

19 Nov 2022 21:26

While the defense has certainly underperformed, the offense has given them no favors. They do nothing to help them stay rested. Way too many 3 and outs. Offense doesn’t even need to score, just get a couple first downs to flip the field and let the DL rest would help alot

This

The excuse that the poor defense has been out on the field far too long to perform well needs to stop.

The facts PROVE OTHERWISE.

GB is currently 9th in the NFL in time of possession per game at 30:45. That means the offense has been on the field more than the defense this season.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/a ... -net-of-ot

Furthermore, the defense had the advantage of having the MVP at QB on offense the past two seasons and still did not perform up to expectations.

The defense is performing poorly independently of the poorly performing offense.

And I've got to add that the #1 scoring defense is in Denver, which has an even worse offense under Hackett and Wilson.

Stop making excuses for this defense.

FWIW https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/packer ... n-game-log, the Pack won the three games with the best TOP, and the fourth win was pretty close behind.

To reiterate, the Packers D is fundamentally and completely broken.

It has been average to below average for over 10 years now. It was supposed to be different this year and it is as bad as ever.

Throwing more resources at the Packer D, such as 1st round draft picks, is a waste at this point.

Hiring a new defensive coordinator is just re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic and it has been repeatedly tried and failed. That said, Barry should be fired tomorrow. Tomorrow.

What needs to be done is someone FROM OUTSIDE THE ORGANIZATION needs to be brought in to provide guidance on how to start over when it come to scheme, personnel, coaching, and everything and anything else having to do with the defense.

Barring that, we will continue see soft and mediocre, or worse, defenses in Green Bay.

I say this as someone who was foolish enough to believe this would be a top 5 defense in 2022.

LombardiTime wrote: ↑

27 Nov 2022 22:36

To reiterate, the Packers D is fundamentally and completely broken.

It has been average to below average for over 10 years now. It was supposed to be different this year and it is as bad as ever.

Throwing more resources at the Packer D, such as 1st round draft picks, is a waste at this point.

Hiring a new defensive coordinator is just re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic and it has been repeatedly tried and failed. That said, Barry should be fired tomorrow. Tomorrow.

What needs to be done is someone FROM OUTSIDE THE ORGANIZATION needs to be brought in to provide guidance on how to start over when it come to scheme, personnel, coaching, and everything and anything else having to do with the defense.

Barring that, we will continue see soft and mediocre, or worse, defenses in Green Bay.

I say this as someone who was foolish enough to believe this would be a top 5 defense in 2022.

I fully agree with this. Everything about the Packer way of a building a defense sucks. Resources don't do it. Coaching changes don't do it.

We need a top down external approach and the top people at 1265 need to listen to them. The "Packer Way" hasn't worked in 24 years in terms of a defense. We have spurts. But the only notable runt his defense has put out there was 2009 - 2010 since Reggie White left.

LombardiTime wrote: ↑

27 Nov 2022 22:36

To reiterate, the Packers D is fundamentally and completely broken.

It has been average to below average for over 10 years now. It was supposed to be different this year and it is as bad as ever.

Throwing more resources at the Packer D, such as 1st round draft picks, is a waste at this point.

Hiring a new defensive coordinator is just re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic and it has been repeatedly tried and failed. That said, Barry should be fired tomorrow. Tomorrow.

What needs to be done is someone FROM OUTSIDE THE ORGANIZATION needs to be brought in to provide guidance on how to start over when it come to scheme, personnel, coaching, and everything and anything else having to do with the defense.

Barring that, we will continue see soft and mediocre, or worse, defenses in Green Bay.

I say this as someone who was foolish enough to believe this would be a top 5 defense in 2022.

Yes. The front office and coaching staff needs to be totally reimagined! Immediately if not sooner. Where's the next rendition of White, Dotson, Jones and Robinson? Leroy Butler, Wayne Simmons, Craig Newsome. Fritz. Incredible championship defense.

That being said I've got tickets for Freeman, Beebe and Risen to sign my helmet previously signed by Favre, Brooks and Sharpe. Wow it's been over 25 years since the Wolf Holmgren dynasty won it all.

LombardiTime wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022 15:46

TheSkeptic wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022 14:12

Drj820 wrote: ↑

19 Nov 2022 21:26

While the defense has certainly underperformed, the offense has given them no favors. They do nothing to help them stay rested. Way too many 3 and outs. Offense doesn’t even need to score, just get a couple first downs to flip the field and let the DL rest would help alot

This

The excuse that the poor defense has been out on the field far too long to perform well needs to stop.

The facts PROVE OTHERWISE.

GB is currently 9th in the NFL in time of possession per game at 30:45. That means the offense has been on the field more than the defense this season.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/a ... -net-of-ot

Furthermore, the defense had the advantage of having the MVP at QB on offense the past two seasons and still did not perform up to expectations.

The defense is performing poorly independently of the poorly performing offense.

And I've got to add that the #1 scoring defense is in Denver, which has an even worse offense under Hackett and Wilson.

Stop making excuses for this defense.

Time of possession isn't the only metric. The O also needs to put the ball in the EZ.

The Packers O has scored 7, 10, 12, 24, 22, 10, 21, 17, 9, 28, 17 and 33 points so far this year. That is two whole games where the O did its job and only 1, with Love at QB where the O had a good game!

The FACT is that every player on both sides of he ball KNOWS that the Packers are not going to the playoffs. That is dis-spiriting to them. No one in any profession does as well as they could when they know that their organization/company is going to lose no mater what.

You want to fix the entire team, then give them some hope for next year, give them a reason to want to be a Packer next season. We all saw what the solution is vs the Eagles. Love = Hope

TheSkeptic wrote: ↑

28 Nov 2022 10:01

LombardiTime wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022 15:46

TheSkeptic wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022 14:12

This

The excuse that the poor defense has been out on the field far too long to perform well needs to stop.

The facts PROVE OTHERWISE.

GB is currently 9th in the NFL in time of possession per game at 30:45. That means the offense has been on the field more than the defense this season.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/a ... -net-of-ot

Furthermore, the defense had the advantage of having the MVP at QB on offense the past two seasons and still did not perform up to expectations.

The defense is performing poorly independently of the poorly performing offense.

And I've got to add that the #1 scoring defense is in Denver, which has an even worse offense under Hackett and Wilson.

Stop making excuses for this defense.

Time of possession isn't the only metric. The O also needs to put the ball in the EZ.

The Packers O has scored 7, 10, 12, 24, 22, 10, 21, 17, 9, 28, 17 and 33 points so far this year. That is two whole games where the O did its job and only 1, with Love at QB where the O had a good game!

If the defense performing poorly was a 1 year reality in 2022 due to the offense not scoring enough points then this argument might make sense, but that is simply not the case.

The D has been bad when the offense scores and it is bad when the offense does not score. It is bad when the offense has a time of possession advantage and when it has a disadvantage.

The defense is and has been fundamentally broken for over a decade now despite every 1st round pick not named Jordan Love going to the defense. and that reality is completely independent of how the offense has performed.

I agree Love should be the QB the rest of the season, but the excuses for the defense need to stop and a complete and total overhaul of the approach to playing defense in GB is needed.

the problem is the packers want chior boys. And you have to be a bit of a killer to play top tier Defense. You need some killers on the D to set the mentality and tone. Packers lack anyone to set this tone. All the guys that get paid are nice guys.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

28 Nov 2022 10:13

the problem is the packers want chior boys. And you have to be a bit of a killer to play top tier Defense. You need some killers on the D to set the mentality and tone. Packers lack anyone to set this tone. All the guys that get paid are nice guys.

it's not the choir boy thing again, say it aint so Joe

DC for years now have dedicated themselves to stopping the pass, so to do that they've focused rushing the QB and more speed in coverage, smart, not to and we'd be seeing offenses scoring even more then we do, that focus though equates to less brawn on defense to combat the run, Smaller more penetrating DT's, lighter, faster safety's and lbers, and more nickel and dime scheme

so what do offenses do, run more, so what seems like a choir boy approach was actually a personal approach more suited to slow down the high flying passing, but it came at the expense of stopping the run, at least that seems to be what we have been doing, 4 years or more of near bottom of the league stopping the run makes that crystal clear to me.