Packers Defense - 2024

[Pckfn23]

Wilson makes me nervous because i think Wilson has a lot of help right now behind the scenes and it's not supplements.

Where is this coming from?

just my thought is all

Just a weird reason to justify not playing Wilson, especially without any evidence.

[LombardiTime]

I think a lot of the angst for him is because we used slot 22 to draft him and many thought it was a reach, including me

He was a reach by all accounts but I don't care about that. I was actually pretty damn excited to have a LB with that pedigree and athleticism. I have argued for years that if that hits, it is well worth spending a 1st round pick at that position. The hesitancy and lack of instincts have been so damning though. I want to see this consistency that you seem to, but the only thing I see is consistent inconsistency.

When it comes to Quay Walker and hesitancy? You bet. He nearly always reacts to and almost never dictates the play.

Lack of instincts? Confirmed through more than 2.5 seasons of play.

Consistency? Absolutely. Quay is consistently disappointing, consistently out of position, and consistently misses his gap.

Perhaps most disappointingly, when Quay does meet a running back in the hole he consistently fails to stop him in his tracks ... turning a 3rd or 4th down run into a first down rather than a punting situation or a turnover on downs.

Indeed, I would personally have much more faith in Quay if he, even on an inconsistent basis, made more big plays. (And yes I saw that excellent coverage downfield on Sunday, but those plays have been way, way too rare).

Now Edgerrin Cooper is also undeniably inconsistent. He seems to be out of position a fair share of the time.

But, but, but, Cooper also shows explosiveness and shows promise as a disruptor. He even makes plays in the opponent's backfield.

Quay has failed to demonstrate the play making ability that Cooper has already shown.

I do not believe Quay would still be playing every snap on defense were he not a recent 1st round pick.

[Pckfn23]

To be fair, the LB who is consistently in position and unblocked is a HOFer!

[MY_TAKE]

Quay Walker, Lucas Van Ness, Devonte Wyatt. All high picks. ( I still really like Wyatt)

These are the guys you expect and need (based on where drafted) to be making winning plays in most of their snaps every Sunday. Its not happening enough. It would have been nice to have one of them guys emerge as a top player in the league at their position.

[LombardiTime]

The defense's DVOA ranking is now 16th overall.

[Yoop]

I think a lot of the angst for him is because we used slot 22 to draft him and many thought it was a reach, including me

He was a reach by all accounts but I don't care about that. I was actually pretty damn excited to have a LB with that pedigree and athleticism. I have argued for years that if that hits, it is well worth spending a 1st round pick at that position. The hesitancy and lack of instincts have been so damning though. I want to see this consistency that you seem to, but the only thing I see is consistent inconsistency.

When it comes to Quay Walker and hesitancy? You bet. He nearly always reacts to and almost never dictates the play.

Lack of instincts? Confirmed through more than 2.5 seasons of play.

Consistency? Absolutely. Quay is consistently disappointing, consistently out of position, and consistently misses his gap.

Perhaps most disappointingly, when Quay does meet a running back in the hole he consistently fails to stop him in his tracks ... turning a 3rd or 4th down run into a first down rather than a punting situation or a turnover on downs.

Indeed, I would personally have much more faith in Quay if he, even on an inconsistent basis, made more big plays. (And yes I saw that excellent coverage downfield on Sunday, but those plays have been way, way too rare).

Now Edgerrin Cooper is also undeniably inconsistent. He seems to be out of position a fair share of the time.

But, but, but, Cooper also shows explosiveness and shows promise as a disruptor. He even makes plays in the opponent's backfield.

Quay has failed to demonstrate the play making ability that Cooper has already shown.

I do not believe Quay would still be playing every snap on defense were he not a recent 1st round pick.

again, this is also a scheme issue, just go look at Walker as a rookie when Campbell was the mic ilb, 7 PD's 120 tackles 5 TFL, 3 FF, 1 for 63 yrds, and 4 QBHts lots of impact plays IMO, give someone else the green dot and move WAlker to sam, plenty of wheels to stay with any TE.

Cooper seems sharper mentally, let him set up the front 7, to me he's small for the MLB, but we can always put McDuffy there on run downs and slide Cooper out.

all I know is we've seen a lot better play from Walker than we are now, and he didn't lose it in 2 years, those are damn good ILB stats from as rookie.

Walker plays as the stay put set up guy for the front 7, the others are schemed up more to make impact plays

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... b/2022.htm

[Yoop]

The defense's DVOA ranking is now 16th overall.

what were they last year at this time? one year in a scheme most of these players are completely unfamiliar with and most are puppies, your really asking for a lot L T

Rebrovich/Hafely wanted to improve run stop, and jmo, but that is what I see, we have two DLiners top 5 in the league with RSWR in Gary and Slaton, it's not their fault the others have such terrible tackling technique

I think we were 12th a week ago.

[APB]

Interesting bit of data.