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This all sounds good to me. Savage on a one-year deal to hopefully be the 3rd Safety, Kyle Dugger as the FA addition, and both Safeties from The U in The Draft. Kinchens should be a higher pick, but they can get Williams as a hybrid DB later on.lupedafiasco wrote: ↑12 Feb 2024 23:07The rumor amongst the bloggers is Savage has been made an offer and he will test FA to get better.
bumpLabrev wrote: ↑12 Feb 2024 09:19Is EDGE still on the table in Round 1? I think it may be:
--> We lost Enagbare. He is probably out for most of next year. So we lose one of our pass-rush specialists.
--> Even if we bring Smith back, his value is mainly what he brings against the run.
--> LVN was a very raw prospect. He looked good as a rookie, but may not be a full-time starter yet.
--> Gary is not elite (yet). He grades out at 80.0 on PFF, right on the line of above-average and good. He ran out of gas down the stretch. It may be a conditioning issue (didn't play a full year last year). We have reason to believe he can be elite, but not that he is, right now.
--> All that leaves us with is Brenton Cox, who might be a player, but who knows? Jonathan Garvin was a nice raw athletic talent, but it never worked out with him.
I see room for another EDGE, even if we bring back Smith, namely one a dynamic pass-rush specialist like Latu. If we do not bring him back, it is definitely a need.
I don't think DL is, because we already struggle apportioning reps between Clark, Slaton, Brooks, and Wyatt. Wooden could also be taking a step.
Edge is always a position to add talent. I am never against upgradingLabrev wrote: ↑13 Feb 2024 19:22bumpLabrev wrote: ↑12 Feb 2024 09:19Is EDGE still on the table in Round 1? I think it may be:
--> We lost Enagbare. He is probably out for most of next year. So we lose one of our pass-rush specialists.
--> Even if we bring Smith back, his value is mainly what he brings against the run.
--> LVN was a very raw prospect. He looked good as a rookie, but may not be a full-time starter yet.
--> Gary is not elite (yet). He grades out at 80.0 on PFF, right on the line of above-average and good. He ran out of gas down the stretch. It may be a conditioning issue (didn't play a full year last year). We have reason to believe he can be elite, but not that he is, right now.
--> All that leaves us with is Brenton Cox, who might be a player, but who knows? Jonathan Garvin was a nice raw athletic talent, but it never worked out with him.
I see room for another EDGE, even if we bring back Smith, namely one a dynamic pass-rush specialist like Latu. If we do not bring him back, it is definitely a need.
I don't think DL is, because we already struggle apportioning reps between Clark, Slaton, Brooks, and Wyatt. Wooden could also be taking a step.
Correct. Since the Packers will be going to a 4 man line with 2 DT's and 2 DE's, they are all set. Gary, LVN, Smith and Wooden are the perfect size for a 4 man line defensive end. Brooks could lose 10 pounds or stay as a DT and gain 10. Cox and Engabare would need to gain weight and strength.lupedafiasco wrote: ↑13 Feb 2024 23:58Taking an edge player in the first two rounds would be an incredibly stupid waste of resources in my book.
I actually think there’s a good case for the next Slaton. A developmental day three nose. Those guys need a year and Slaton may not be re-sign worthy next year eitherlupedafiasco wrote: ↑14 Feb 2024 11:11They for sure need to take one edge just not early. I see absolutely no reason though to take a DT at all.
Who do you replace? Or are you carrying 6 DTs? There is already Clark, Wyatt, Wooden, Slaton, and Brooks. That doesn’t include some reps that could be had from LVN inside.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑14 Feb 2024 11:21I actually think there’s a good case for the next Slaton. A developmental day three nose. Those guys need a year and Slaton may not be re-sign worthy next year eitherlupedafiasco wrote: ↑14 Feb 2024 11:11They for sure need to take one edge just not early. I see absolutely no reason though to take a DT at all.
I think I could get behind a DT.lupedafiasco wrote: ↑14 Feb 2024 11:11I think there’s value in getting one in the 3rd or 4th. Preston is likely in his last year. Enagbare isn’t really resign worthy. Cox is meh. It would be good to get a guy to develop and help the rotation until Enagbare gets back.
They for sure need to take one edge just not early. I see absolutely no reason though to take a DT at all.
Chances of Wyatt ever showing that are slim. He will be collecting social security soon.BF004 wrote: ↑14 Feb 2024 11:32
I think I could get behind a DT.
Kenny and Slaton both FA's after this season Probably not financially smart to resign both, maybe even either. Wyatt isn't really showing he can be that guy yet. Brooks and Wooden both had a few flashes, but also no indication they are going to become quality 600-700 snap a year guys.
Wyatt’s been really good rushing the passer. It’s his tackling that is ungodly bad. He needs to learn to get people to the ground. They all slide off him.wallyuwl wrote: ↑14 Feb 2024 11:37Chances of Wyatt ever showing that are slim. He will be collecting social security soon.BF004 wrote: ↑14 Feb 2024 11:32
I think I could get behind a DT.
Kenny and Slaton both FA's after this season Probably not financially smart to resign both, maybe even either. Wyatt isn't really showing he can be that guy yet. Brooks and Wooden both had a few flashes, but also no indication they are going to become quality 600-700 snap a year guys.
Nobody is trading starters for cox. Nobody is trading for smith.TheSkeptic wrote: ↑14 Feb 2024 02:54Correct. Since the Packers will be going to a 4 man line with 2 DT's and 2 DE's, they are all set. Gary, LVN, Smith and Wooden are the perfect size for a 4 man line defensive end. Brooks could lose 10 pounds or stay as a DT and gain 10. Cox and Engabare would need to gain weight and strength.lupedafiasco wrote: ↑13 Feb 2024 23:58Taking an edge player in the first two rounds would be an incredibly stupid waste of resources in my book.
I see no reason to draft a pass rusher since the Packers already have 3 starters and a backup and Brooks can play either DE or DT.
Cox has no natural position any more. At 250 pounds he should gain 20 pounds to play DE or lose 15 pounds to play 4-2 ILB. He has no experience covering TE's or RB's out of the backfield so I would trade him rather than sit him another year while he learns loses significant weight and learns pass coverage. He is a very promising 3-4 OLB and someone would give us a starting safety or ILB for him who would be much more help to the team this coming season.
But if the team thinks that Cox can lose the 15 pounds and gain speed and agility and learn to be a good ILB, well then trade Smith who is getting long in the tooth anyway. Gary, LVN and Wooden can handle the DE rotation until Engabare returns and Brooks could play the position in an emergency. It is very likely that a playoff quality team would trade a very good ILB or Safety for Preston.
Of course if the Packers can unload Bakh's 40 mil cap, then signing the best available FA ILB, Safety, RB or CB could be a better option and use the draft for the other positions.
almost every mock I've seen has us taking a OL with the our first pick, another had us taking a CBBackthepack4ever wrote: ↑14 Feb 2024 21:16Nobody is trading starters for cox. Nobody is trading for smith.TheSkeptic wrote: ↑14 Feb 2024 02:54Correct. Since the Packers will be going to a 4 man line with 2 DT's and 2 DE's, they are all set. Gary, LVN, Smith and Wooden are the perfect size for a 4 man line defensive end. Brooks could lose 10 pounds or stay as a DT and gain 10. Cox and Engabare would need to gain weight and strength.lupedafiasco wrote: ↑13 Feb 2024 23:58Taking an edge player in the first two rounds would be an incredibly stupid waste of resources in my book.
I see no reason to draft a pass rusher since the Packers already have 3 starters and a backup and Brooks can play either DE or DT.
Cox has no natural position any more. At 250 pounds he should gain 20 pounds to play DE or lose 15 pounds to play 4-2 ILB. He has no experience covering TE's or RB's out of the backfield so I would trade him rather than sit him another year while he learns loses significant weight and learns pass coverage. He is a very promising 3-4 OLB and someone would give us a starting safety or ILB for him who would be much more help to the team this coming season.
But if the team thinks that Cox can lose the 15 pounds and gain speed and agility and learn to be a good ILB, well then trade Smith who is getting long in the tooth anyway. Gary, LVN and Wooden can handle the DE rotation until Engabare returns and Brooks could play the position in an emergency. It is very likely that a playoff quality team would trade a very good ILB or Safety for Preston.
Of course if the Packers can unload Bakh's 40 mil cap, then signing the best available FA ILB, Safety, RB or CB could be a better option and use the draft for the other positions.
Weight just to fit a label of a certain position isn't really concerning to me. Yes we are switching to an even front base. We won't be in base every often. If guys can play and get after QBs they will find ways to use them whether it's in a 3 point stance or standing up. Just ask Hassan Reddick who you use to hunt QBs anyway you can
Point being I wouldn't close the door on anyone on the roster yet and I am open to drafting most positions any round of it's going to improve the roster for now and/or the future. Example. It would be foolish to pass up an edge if you feel is a future pro bowler bc we have a need at safety for a guy who is a jag.
I'm all good with best value available if 2 prospects are in the same tier
No issues with either. Both should have nice optionsYoop wrote: ↑15 Feb 2024 07:09almost every mock I've seen has us taking a OL with the our first pick, another had us taking a CBBackthepack4ever wrote: ↑14 Feb 2024 21:16Nobody is trading starters for cox. Nobody is trading for smith.TheSkeptic wrote: ↑14 Feb 2024 02:54
Correct. Since the Packers will be going to a 4 man line with 2 DT's and 2 DE's, they are all set. Gary, LVN, Smith and Wooden are the perfect size for a 4 man line defensive end. Brooks could lose 10 pounds or stay as a DT and gain 10. Cox and Engabare would need to gain weight and strength.
I see no reason to draft a pass rusher since the Packers already have 3 starters and a backup and Brooks can play either DE or DT.
Cox has no natural position any more. At 250 pounds he should gain 20 pounds to play DE or lose 15 pounds to play 4-2 ILB. He has no experience covering TE's or RB's out of the backfield so I would trade him rather than sit him another year while he learns loses significant weight and learns pass coverage. He is a very promising 3-4 OLB and someone would give us a starting safety or ILB for him who would be much more help to the team this coming season.
But if the team thinks that Cox can lose the 15 pounds and gain speed and agility and learn to be a good ILB, well then trade Smith who is getting long in the tooth anyway. Gary, LVN and Wooden can handle the DE rotation until Engabare returns and Brooks could play the position in an emergency. It is very likely that a playoff quality team would trade a very good ILB or Safety for Preston.
Of course if the Packers can unload Bakh's 40 mil cap, then signing the best available FA ILB, Safety, RB or CB could be a better option and use the draft for the other positions.
Weight just to fit a label of a certain position isn't really concerning to me. Yes we are switching to an even front base. We won't be in base every often. If guys can play and get after QBs they will find ways to use them whether it's in a 3 point stance or standing up. Just ask Hassan Reddick who you use to hunt QBs anyway you can
Point being I wouldn't close the door on anyone on the roster yet and I am open to drafting most positions any round of it's going to improve the roster for now and/or the future. Example. It would be foolish to pass up an edge if you feel is a future pro bowler bc we have a need at safety for a guy who is a jag.
I'm all good with best value available if 2 prospects are in the same tier
did any team use the Packer plan to develop there babies, seems like most of those babies where expected to walk right away, continued to stumble, and now there all on life support
I mean, all kind of.