Packers Huddle

Papa John wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2024 09:25

APB wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2024 08:48

Scott4Pack wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2024 06:47

I couldn't argue a single thing that you wrote above. Still, this Packer team has not played well against the best teams. The best teams have been better. The results prove it. It isn't just a one-time thing. We have five games to draw from. The Packers are not at the level that the Lions, Vikes, and Eagles are. That isn't a silly argument. Again, five games state the case pretty well.

You have, once again, argued a point I never made.

Again, the point I'm trying to highlight is the Packers, for whatever reason, do not play their best ball, or even competent football for that matter, when facing the best competition this year. Alignment issues, drops, coverage lapses, etc. Silly mistakes that, when combined, kill drives and lose ball games.

These mistakes have nothing to do with what the other team is doing or who is better than who. The Packers are beating themselves. It's frustrating to watch as a fan.

Yes, the Packers are 0-5 against the elite teams in the conference. Those teams are "better" than the Packers. However, if the Packers collectively pull their heads from their ass and eliminate those repeated self-destructive plays, they can beat any one of them. Of that I have no doubt.

The word "better" doesn't need to be written in quotes. If one team consistently makes dumb mistakes and beats themselves and one doesn't, the team that doesn't is better. Period, full stop. Discipline is part of being a good team. Maybe the biggest part. Ever since LaFleur took over, discipline has been sporadic with this team, especially on the big stages against good teams. He is innovative as a play designer, caller, etc., but I'm not convinced he knows how to get a handle on a team.

APB wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2024 09:45

Papa John wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2024 09:25

APB wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2024 08:48

You have, once again, argued a point I never made.

Again, the point I'm trying to highlight is the Packers, for whatever reason, do not play their best ball, or even competent football for that matter, when facing the best competition this year. Alignment issues, drops, coverage lapses, etc. Silly mistakes that, when combined, kill drives and lose ball games.

These mistakes have nothing to do with what the other team is doing or who is better than who. The Packers are beating themselves. It's frustrating to watch as a fan.

Yes, the Packers are 0-5 against the elite teams in the conference. Those teams are "better" than the Packers. However, if the Packers collectively pull their heads from their ass and eliminate those repeated self-destructive plays, they can beat any one of them. Of that I have no doubt.

The word "better" doesn't need to be written in quotes. If one team consistently makes dumb mistakes and beats themselves and one doesn't, the team that doesn't is better. Period, full stop. Discipline is part of being a good team. Maybe the biggest part. Ever since LaFleur took over, discipline has been sporadic with this team, especially on the big stages against good teams. He is innovative as a play designer, caller, etc., but I'm not convinced he knows how to get a handle on a team.

It's pretty clear I am not articulating my point very well. That's on me.

<sigh>

For those in the back, let me make this point abundantly clear...

I concede Philadelphia, Detroit, and Minnesota are, at this point, BETTER teams than the Packers.

Is that the bend-the-knee statement required from you football purists in order to move on from this "better"....er, sorry...better (without quotes)...argument?

Everyone could see the Packers were the best team in the league. They just lost becuase of dumb mistakes and it was so obvious once that got cleaned up they couldn't be touched.

Acrobat wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2024 08:21

Raptorman wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2024 08:13

Acrobat wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2024 07:22

Who was offsides on Green Bay then?

Can't tell from that picture. if there is one, however, if I were to guess, 55, his hand is way out there. A photo down the line would be better. If that photo is even only 5 degrees off from the dead center, it changes the perspective greatly.

How about #76 from the Vikings?

Raptorman wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2024 09:56

Acrobat wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2024 08:21

Raptorman wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2024 08:13

Can't tell from that picture. if there is one, however, if I were to guess, 55, his hand is way out there. A photo down the line would be better. If that photo is even only 5 degrees off from the dead center, it changes the perspective greatly.

How about #76 from the Vikings?

There is no way to tell from that picture who is or isn't offside. Just move on from it. The photo isn't centered over the ball. The only way you would be able to tell is a shot down the line from the sideline. Do I need to draw a diagram showing how much being even 5 degrees off will make a huge difference in that photo? Now, how do I know it's off? Simple. Can you see the ball? Now, tell me how many centers have the ball directly under their head? None, because they could be called offsides. They always have the ball in front of them. If you can't see the ball, the shot is from an angle. And I would say about 5 degrees give or take a few.

Raptorman wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2024 09:56

Acrobat wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2024 08:21

Raptorman wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2024 08:13

Can't tell from that picture. if there is one, however, if I were to guess, 55, his hand is way out there. A photo down the line would be better. If that photo is even only 5 degrees off from the dead center, it changes the perspective greatly.

How about #76 from the Vikings?

There is no way to tell from that picture who is or isn't offside. Just move on from it. The photo isn't centered over the ball. The only way you would be able to tell is a shot down the line from the sideline. Do I need to draw a diagram showing how much being even 5 degrees off will make a huge difference in that photo? Now, how do I know it's off? Simple. Can you see the ball? Now, tell me how many centers have the ball directly under their head? None, because they could be called offsides. They always have the ball in front of them. If you can't see the ball, the shot is from an angle. And I would say about 5 degrees give or take a few.

Raptorman wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2024 09:56

Acrobat wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2024 08:21

Raptorman wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2024 08:13

Can't tell from that picture. if there is one, however, if I were to guess, 55, his hand is way out there. A photo down the line would be better. If that photo is even only 5 degrees off from the dead center, it changes the perspective greatly.

How about #76 from the Vikings?

There is no way to tell from that picture who is or isn't offside. Just move on from it. The photo isn't centered over the ball. The only way you would be able to tell is a shot down the line from the sideline. Do I need to draw a diagram showing how much being even 5 degrees off will make a huge difference in that photo?

Raptorman wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2024 09:56

Now, how do I know it's off? Simple. Can you see the ball? Now, tell me how many centers have the ball directly under their head? None, because they could be called offsides. They always have the ball in front of them. If you can't see the ball, the shot is from an angle.

APB wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2024 09:45

Papa John wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2024 09:25

APB wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2024 08:48

You have, once again, argued a point I never made.

Again, the point I'm trying to highlight is the Packers, for whatever reason, do not play their best ball, or even competent football for that matter, when facing the best competition this year. Alignment issues, drops, coverage lapses, etc. Silly mistakes that, when combined, kill drives and lose ball games.

These mistakes have nothing to do with what the other team is doing or who is better than who. The Packers are beating themselves. It's frustrating to watch as a fan.

Yes, the Packers are 0-5 against the elite teams in the conference. Those teams are "better" than the Packers. However, if the Packers collectively pull their heads from their ass and eliminate those repeated self-destructive plays, they can beat any one of them. Of that I have no doubt.

The word "better" doesn't need to be written in quotes. If one team consistently makes dumb mistakes and beats themselves and one doesn't, the team that doesn't is better. Period, full stop. Discipline is part of being a good team. Maybe the biggest part. Ever since LaFleur took over, discipline has been sporadic with this team, especially on the big stages against good teams. He is innovative as a play designer, caller, etc., but I'm not convinced he knows how to get a handle on a team.

It's pretty clear I am not articulating my point very well. That's on me.

<sigh>

For those in the back, let me make this point abundantly clear...

I concede Philadelphia, Detroit, and Minnesota are, at this point, BETTER teams than the Packers.

Is that the bend-the-knee statement required from you football purists in order to move on from this "better"....er, sorry...better (without quotes)...argument?

Raptorman wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2024 09:56

Acrobat wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2024 08:21

Raptorman wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2024 08:13

Can't tell from that picture. if there is one, however, if I were to guess, 55, his hand is way out there. A photo down the line would be better. If that photo is even only 5 degrees off from the dead center, it changes the perspective greatly.

How about #76 from the Vikings?

There is no way to tell from that picture who is or isn't offside. Just move on from it. The photo isn't centered over the ball. The only way you would be able to tell is a shot down the line from the sideline. Do I need to draw a diagram showing how much being even 5 degrees off will make a huge difference in that photo? Now, how do I know it's off? Simple. Can you see the ball? Now, tell me how many centers have the ball directly under their head? None, because they could be called offsides. They always have the ball in front of them. If you can't see the ball, the shot is from an angle. And I would say about 5 degrees give or take a few.

go pak go wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2024 10:04

Raptorman wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2024 09:56

Acrobat wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2024 08:21

How about #76 from the Vikings?

There is no way to tell from that picture who is or isn't offside. Just move on from it. The photo isn't centered over the ball. The only way you would be able to tell is a shot down the line from the sideline. Do I need to draw a diagram showing how much being even 5 degrees off will make a huge difference in that photo? Now, how do I know it's off? Simple. Can you see the ball? Now, tell me how many centers have the ball directly under their head? None, because they could be called offsides. They always have the ball in front of them. If you can't see the ball, the shot is from an angle. And I would say about 5 degrees give or take a few.

My gawd there was no offsides on that kick. It was a horrendous call. Atrocious call. Absolutley uncalled for penalty that gifted MN 3 points.

It is what it is. But there is no need to get geometry in play. Clearly, clearly, clearly there was no Packer offsides. If you have to get geometry involved and camera angle arguments going....then it is pretty clear a call should have never been made to begin with.

Yoop wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2024 10:49

go pak go wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2024 10:04

Raptorman wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2024 09:56

There is no way to tell from that picture who is or isn't offside. Just move on from it. The photo isn't centered over the ball. The only way you would be able to tell is a shot down the line from the sideline. Do I need to draw a diagram showing how much being even 5 degrees off will make a huge difference in that photo? Now, how do I know it's off? Simple. Can you see the ball? Now, tell me how many centers have the ball directly under their head? None, because they could be called offsides. They always have the ball in front of them. If you can't see the ball, the shot is from an angle. And I would say about 5 degrees give or take a few.

My gawd there was no offsides on that kick. It was a horrendous call. Atrocious call. Absolutley uncalled for penalty that gifted MN 3 points.

It is what it is. But there is no need to get geometry in play. Clearly, clearly, clearly there was no Packer offsides. If you have to get geometry involved and camera angle arguments going....then it is pretty clear a call should have never been made to begin with.

we have been very close to encroachment all season, I must have mentioned it with LVN 3 or 4 games, eventually, the officials will come down hard on it, and they have, right or wrong, why coaches allow players to push that issue as though several inches actually makes that big a difference is mind numbing, these procedural issues are a sign of poor coaching.

Yoop wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2024 10:49

go pak go wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2024 10:04

Raptorman wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2024 09:56

There is no way to tell from that picture who is or isn't offside. Just move on from it. The photo isn't centered over the ball. The only way you would be able to tell is a shot down the line from the sideline. Do I need to draw a diagram showing how much being even 5 degrees off will make a huge difference in that photo? Now, how do I know it's off? Simple. Can you see the ball? Now, tell me how many centers have the ball directly under their head? None, because they could be called offsides. They always have the ball in front of them. If you can't see the ball, the shot is from an angle. And I would say about 5 degrees give or take a few.

My gawd there was no offsides on that kick. It was a horrendous call. Atrocious call. Absolutley uncalled for penalty that gifted MN 3 points.

It is what it is. But there is no need to get geometry in play. Clearly, clearly, clearly there was no Packer offsides. If you have to get geometry involved and camera angle arguments going....then it is pretty clear a call should have never been made to begin with.

we have been very close to encroachment all season, I must have mentioned it with LVN 3 or 4 games, eventually, the officials will come down hard on it, and they have, right or wrong, why coaches allow players to push that issue as though several inches actually makes that big a difference is mind numbing, these procedural issues are a sign of poor coaching.

APB wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2024 10:14

Raptorman wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2024 09:56

Acrobat wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2024 08:21

How about #76 from the Vikings?

There is no way to tell from that picture who is or isn't offside. Just move on from it. The photo isn't centered over the ball. The only way you would be able to tell is a shot down the line from the sideline. Do I need to draw a diagram showing how much being even 5 degrees off will make a huge difference in that photo?

This is a remarkable level of denial from you. Just admit it. It was a bad call that gifted the Vikings 3 points.





And about this bit. Wrong. Just focus on the center in this video from about the 8-11 second mark.

Raptorman wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2024 09:56

Now, how do I know it's off? Simple. Can you see the ball? Now, tell me how many centers have the ball directly under their head? None, because they could be called offsides. They always have the ball in front of them. If you can't see the ball, the shot is from an angle.