Packers Huddle

go pak go wrote: ↑

08 Dec 2020 12:16

Man he completely blew past Sanders on that first run.

But holy crap Kamal Martin is fun to watch. I mean this guy is that "juice" we all desperately want on this defense.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

08 Dec 2020 13:25

go pak go wrote: ↑

08 Dec 2020 13:11

If you are looking at the "likely way to beat the Packers" in the postseason, we will likely be facing RBs who can make big plays in the pass game with MN, NO's, LAR?, and KC.

Kamara and Cook have shredded us. I just wonder how we can combat that vs a Tyreek Hill.

I actually texted a friend saying I'd rather face the Chiefs without Hill than the Chiefs without Mahomes.

Last year when we beat the Chiefs with Matt Moore, we played defense in a way that infuriated everyone--holding safeties back, passively avoiding big plays. We did that because of Tyreek Hill. You can't leave him single covered for a single play. It's an absurd field-tilting effect.

Mahomes is a god. But if we can cover his receivers, we can hold up.

Yoop wrote: ↑

08 Dec 2020 14:26

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

08 Dec 2020 13:25

go pak go wrote: ↑

08 Dec 2020 13:11

If you are looking at the "likely way to beat the Packers" in the postseason, we will likely be facing RBs who can make big plays in the pass game with MN, NO's, LAR?, and KC.

Kamara and Cook have shredded us. I just wonder how we can combat that vs a Tyreek Hill.

I actually texted a friend saying I'd rather face the Chiefs without Hill than the Chiefs without Mahomes.

Last year when we beat the Chiefs with Matt Moore, we played defense in a way that infuriated everyone--holding safeties back, passively avoiding big plays. We did that because of Tyreek Hill. You can't leave him single covered for a single play. It's an absurd field-tilting effect.

Mahomes is a god. But if we can cover his receivers, we can hold up.

yep, and the thing is both, that you designate to cover Hill, have to be very good, other wise he'll have those two defenders running into each other, I saw him do it the couple times I watched him this year, guy has great body control, I agree if you can limit Hill, get a good pass rush going, and I think our defense would fare ok, I'd use Jaire and Savage or the next best CB not named King.

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

08 Dec 2020 16:20

I actually wouldn’t be that concerned with Hill. Obviously it’s a tough cover for Alexander but it’s a least a close matchup in terms of athleticism and physicality.

The concern is Kelce for me. I’m not sure how we cover him.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

08 Dec 2020 16:28

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

08 Dec 2020 16:20

I actually wouldn’t be that concerned with Hill. Obviously it’s a tough cover for Alexander but it’s a least a close matchup in terms of athleticism and physicality.

The concern is Kelce for me. I’m not sure how we cover him.

If you're not concerned with the fastest guy in the league who is tied for the league lead in TDs and is second in receiving yards, and flat out changes the way defenses can operate... you are fired as board GM.

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

08 Dec 2020 16:20

The concern is Kelce for me. I’m not sure how we cover him.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

08 Dec 2020 16:28

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

08 Dec 2020 16:20

I actually wouldn’t be that concerned with Hill. Obviously it’s a tough cover for Alexander but it’s a least a close matchup in terms of athleticism and physicality.

The concern is Kelce for me. I’m not sure how we cover him.

If you're not concerned with the fastest guy in the league who is tied for the league lead in TDs and is second in receiving yards, and flat out changes the way defenses can operate... you are fired as board GM.

BF004 wrote: ↑

08 Dec 2020 18:40

Not his best, but he’s been setting the bar really damn high recently

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

08 Dec 2020 18:54

Obviously Hill is a good player. I’m not saying he’s not. I just think our strength is our secondary in pass coverage. We dont have the linebackers to cover Kelce. I’ll trust Alexander in an all pro year over Kirksey, Martin, Amos, or Greene covering Kelce one on one.

BSA wrote: ↑

08 Dec 2020 18:54

BF004 wrote: ↑

08 Dec 2020 18:40

Not his best, but he’s been setting the bar really damn high recently

my favorite version of "don't mock the belt" was in ATL in 2010 when John Abrams did it... and then GB blew them out of the water

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

08 Dec 2020 13:25

go pak go wrote: ↑

08 Dec 2020 13:11

If you are looking at the "likely way to beat the Packers" in the postseason, we will likely be facing RBs who can make big plays in the pass game with MN, NO's, LAR?, and KC.

Kamara and Cook have shredded us. I just wonder how we can combat that vs a Tyreek Hill.

I actually texted a friend saying I'd rather face the Chiefs without Hill than the Chiefs without Mahomes.

Last year when we beat the Chiefs with Matt Moore, we played defense in a way that infuriated everyone--holding safeties back, passively avoiding big plays. We did that because of Tyreek Hill. You can't leave him single covered for a single play. It's an absurd field-tilting effect.

Mahomes is a god. But if we can cover his receivers, we can hold up.

Rookie Kamal Martin put himself in position to make several plays against the Eagles, but he wasn’t able to bring down the ball carrier. Poor tackling efficiency has plagued some of the younger players on the defense during Mike Pettine’s regime.

On the opening play Sunday, Martin was left unblocked and flew into the backfield, but he was unable to hold on as RB Miles Sanders scampered away for 6 yards.





Later in the game, another missed tackle yielded even worse results. On Jalen Reagor’s 73-yard punt return in the fourth quarter, Martin came in too hot and Reagor sidestepped him. Martin is showing speed and explosiveness, but he’s out of control and not finishing plays.





Four punts have been returned for touchdowns this NFL season, and two have been surrendered by the Packers.

The Packers defense racked up seven sacks and 28 total QB pressures on Sunday against Carson Wentz and Jalen Hurts, which is the most in a single game by Green Bay this season. The pressure came in a variety of ways: players winning one-on-one matchups and designed pressure calls from Pettine.

Second-year defensive tackle Kingsley Keke is leading the team in pressures among defensive tackles. Keke’s 18 pressures edge Kenny Clark’s 15 (missed three games). Keke had two sacks Sunday and produced those by beating future Hall-of-Famer Jason Peters.

Pettine has been using Darnell Savage on more pressure concepts over the past several games. Savage has the speed to dart into the backfield and close ground in a flash.

He was given the green light on a zone pressure early against the Eagles. Rashan Gary drops from the backside as Za’Darius Smith and Preston Smith open up an alley in the B gap for Savage to attack. Savage gets a big hit on Wentz just as he releases the pass. Typically, quick-game passing prevents the QB from being hit, but the blitz was executed properly keeping Savage and his 4.4 speed free:

For the third time this season, Rodgers finished a game with zero scrambles. Playing within the structure and from the pocket has kept scrambles to a minimum this season and also is keeping the 37-year old QB upright and healthy.

Rodgers now has 16 scrambles in 12 games, averaging just over one a game. For perspective, in his MVP 2011 season, he scrambled 51 times through 17 games.

Alexander Island
There has been high praise for CB Jaire Alexander in his three NFL seasons. His speed, tenacity and press-man pedigree have brought comparisons to former All-Pro Darrelle Revis.

And Pettine, who was the defensive coordinator for Revis from 2009-12 while with the Jets, is now starting to use Alexander in similar ways.

Revis’ flexibility and ability to cover an opposing receiver in man-to-man coverage without any safety help allowed the defensive scheme to allocate help elsewhere. Revis hasn’t been shy about reminding today’s players what he was being asked to do:

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The Packers play more zone coverage than those Jets teams, but when they do play man-to-man, Pettine allows Alexander to play a similar style of coverage.

Here’s an example from Sunday. The Eagles are in a 3×1 set with Alexander in man coverage at the top of the screen playing in a Cover-1 defense. Cover 1 implies having a deep free safety, but look at the free safety on the opposite hash of the trips formation. This alignment allows him to help the other corner (Kevin King) and the inside defenders. This leaves Alexander one-on-one with a tremendous amount of space.



Ball production, matchups, man vs. zone, safety help are all factors in determining the top cornerbacks in the NFL. Alexander is undoubtedly in the conversation with players like Stephon Gilmore, Jalen Ramsey and Tre White.

The Packers used two-TE sets when running the ball on Sunday against the Eagles. With Jace Sternberger leaving with a head injury, the two-TE group was occupied by Marcedes Lewis and Tonyan for most of the game.

If you remove the three victory formation kneel-downs at the end, the Packers ran the ball out of the 12-personnel set (two TE) on seven carries for 96 yards and a touchdown. Included in the 96 yards was the 77-yard highlight touchdown by Jones in the second half.

Despite being on the backside of the play, Lewis and Tonyan served critical roles on Jones’ TD run.

As Jones takes the snap, the safety rolls down immediately and forces Jones to cut the run back inside, thus making the backside blocks from the tight ends important. Lewis and Tonyan are responsible for blocking backside defensive end (Josh Sweat) and backside linebacker (Duke Riley) and seal both defenders from Jones.

The blocking from the WRs and TEs this season has been outstanding and allows flexibility and creativity with players who can handle multiple roles.

Are the Packers a quality third-down defense this season? The narrative around the defensive group seems to change on a drive-to-drive basis. The Packers’ defensive philosophy allows for high percentages of completions, but are they getting off the field?

Green Bay’s defense is 11th in third-down conversions at a rate of 38.7 percent. In 2019, it was 38.1 percent. But when you dive into particular third-down situations, there are some interesting results:

Third and long (6-plus yards): 16.9 percent (No. 1).

Third and medium (4-6 yards): 48.7 percent (22nd).

Third and short (1-3 yards): 69.7 percent (29th).

When opposing teams are in a true passing mode, the Packers are at their best. They deploy speedy subpackage units with extra defensive backs, and the pass rushers can get upfield without worrying about playing the run.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

10 Dec 2020 13:03

Are the Packers a quality third-down defense this season? The narrative around the defensive group seems to change on a drive-to-drive basis. The Packers’ defensive philosophy allows for high percentages of completions, but are they getting off the field?

Green Bay’s defense is 11th in third-down conversions at a rate of 38.7 percent. In 2019, it was 38.1 percent. But when you dive into particular third-down situations, there are some interesting results:

Third and long (6-plus yards): 16.9 percent (No. 1).

Third and medium (4-6 yards): 48.7 percent (22nd).

Third and short (1-3 yards): 69.7 percent (29th).

When opposing teams are in a true passing mode, the Packers are at their best. They deploy speedy subpackage units with extra defensive backs, and the pass rushers can get upfield without worrying about playing the run.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

11 Dec 2020 13:03

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

10 Dec 2020 13:03

Are the Packers a quality third-down defense this season? The narrative around the defensive group seems to change on a drive-to-drive basis. The Packers’ defensive philosophy allows for high percentages of completions, but are they getting off the field?

Green Bay’s defense is 11th in third-down conversions at a rate of 38.7 percent. In 2019, it was 38.1 percent. But when you dive into particular third-down situations, there are some interesting results:

Third and long (6-plus yards): 16.9 percent (No. 1).

Third and medium (4-6 yards): 48.7 percent (22nd).

Third and short (1-3 yards): 69.7 percent (29th).

When opposing teams are in a true passing mode, the Packers are at their best. They deploy speedy subpackage units with extra defensive backs, and the pass rushers can get upfield without worrying about playing the run.

WHAT?!?

did NOT see that coming

go pak go wrote: ↑

11 Dec 2020 14:27

I wonder if it takes into consideration of 3rd and long and the opponent getting close enough to then go for it on 4th down?

Or what about penalties? Does it grant a conversion via a defensive penalty on 3rd and long?

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

11 Dec 2020 14:32

go pak go wrote: ↑

11 Dec 2020 14:27

I wonder if it takes into consideration of 3rd and long and the opponent getting close enough to then go for it on 4th down?

Or what about penalties? Does it grant a conversion via a defensive penalty on 3rd and long?

I'd bet it doesn't account for those, and that makes sense; does seem like we've had a decent amount of 3rd and long become 4th and short conversions. Huh. Still surprising.