Packers Huddle

We have no idea if he will come back the same player or be another bakhtiari

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2023 13:55

I’ll own this one for @Yoop of the future.

I want to pay Gary like he has already had a 12 sack season. I want to do it now. I want to do it before any other deals on defense get signed.

I want to give him ~$20Mish a year for as many years as he’ll allow us to right now while he’s injured and might take less for more guarantees

really, he hasn't earned a contract like that, I'd wait to see what he does after about 12 games.

Yoop wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2023 17:34

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2023 13:55

I’ll own this one for @Yoop of the future.

I want to pay Gary like he has already had a 12 sack season. I want to do it now. I want to do it before any other deals on defense get signed.

I want to give him ~$20Mish a year for as many years as he’ll allow us to right now while he’s injured and might take less for more guarantees

really, he hasn't earned a contract like that, I'd wait to see what he does after about 12 games.

That truth bomb is gonna be tough for some of these guys to take, but it’s totally true.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2023 17:45

Yoop wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2023 17:34

really, he hasn't earned a contract like that, I'd wait to see what he does after about 12 games.

That truth bomb is gonna be tough for some of these guys to take, but it’s totally true.

It's not about what someone has done, but what they will do over the life of the contract, and it is the job of the front office to predict and gauge or play the numbers.

Just like signing Preston and Z, they got a deal worthy of what they became, not worthy of what they had been.

Gary at $20M/year is a gamble. It's a prediction. It's a projection. That he will be worth less than that by year three. I am in favor of that gamble.

Gary has 22.5 sacks, about 140 total pressures ( a guess) and 80 solo tackles, 55 assist, in 4 seasons, most of it the last 1.5 seasons, so his agent is going to demand top money, hope he earns it.

BF004 wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2023 14:30

Labrev wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2023 13:44

BF004 wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2023 11:22

Because he’s nowhere near the 2nd best defensive player in the league? He’s not even the 2nd best from his draft class. Ya boi Jeffrey Simmons been better and a lot more consistent.

Williams a one year wonder pretty much so far.

Nice box-score scouting but you have no idea what you're talking about. Quinnen is a stud machine far beyond Simonds and even better than Dexter Lawrence, whether it was reflected on the stat sheet or not. He's definitely a Top-5 defender in the league.

Lol.

I didn’t call him bad. I called him not the 2nd best defender in the league. Seems like even you agree with that. I think he will probably be paid like he is now, after Saleh’s comments. Even if it’s short lived till Bosa gets his.

I frankly don’t think he’s the 2nd best defender from his draft class. My opinion goes beyond box scores??

No, I believe he's comfortably in the Top 5 best defenders in the league, and that an argument can be made for him being the 2nd best defender in the league. He's the closest thing to Aaron Donald than any other DT in the league, so it's fair to pay him somewhere close to that.

I know you didn't call him bad, but you did say "one year wonder" which is kinda ridiculous.

I assumed without looking at the stats, based on that comment, that his first few years in the league were quiet until last season. I looked it up just now. His Year 2 and 3 he had 7 and 6 sacks respectively, 50-odd tackles in both years, double-digit QB hits and TFLs. And then of course he exploded last year.

If Williams is a one year wonder, then Kenny Clark is a zero year wonder, because his stats before last year are as good or better than what Clark has put up in his very best years.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... llQu00.htm
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... arKe01.htm

It is Alexander Mattison time

BF004 wrote: ↑

08 Jun 2023 09:50

It is Alexander Mattison time

While Mattison has done great for me in Fantasy as a plug and play when Cook was out, I feel a lot better as a Packers fan not having to face Cook twice per year.

Cook was a pain in the ass to deal with so I am glad he's gone.

But word is him landing up in NYJ is a sure thing, and I think he can help give them what they lost with Breece Hall going down to an ACL injury (I doubt Hall looks like his old self until maybe very late into this season at the earliest).

I want Rodgers to have a team good enough to eliminate excuses, but not to carry him and help him succeed, so BOO!! I don't like this. I don't even care about the draft pick, I just want Rodgers to fail but to do so without someone else to scapegoat.

Nice, I just saw NFLN is going to broadcast the Packers-Bengals preseason game live

Originally laughed, but gotta say he’s been very solid on my dynasty team for a while now.

BF004 wrote: ↑

11 Jun 2023 20:18

Originally laughed, but gotta say he’s been very solid on my dynasty team for a while now.

He is Boomer Esiason. Or maybe a lesser Phil Simms.

BF004 wrote: ↑

11 Jun 2023 20:18

Originally laughed, but gotta say he’s been very solid on my dynasty team for a while now.

Absolutely not. Never. Not close.

It’s the Hall of Fame not the hall of consistently pretty darn good.

HoFers need to be selected among players considered possibly the best at their position while playing. Cousins has never been more than “You could argue he cracks the top 5 some years.”

Way too many other above average QBs better than Cousins that didn’t get a ring.

Like I would think Phillip Rivers and Matt Ryan get in before Cousins ever even got considered and they’re fringe players.

Cousins and Matt Ryan both suck

Oh I was definitely not arguing for it by any stretch.

I’d say he needs an all pro season and a Super Bowl at some point. Then maybe he’d have an argument.

PFR thinks he's not even close:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... usKi00.htm

Hall of Fame Monitor

PFR HOF Monitor: 43.54 (63rd among QB, average HOF QB is 103.58)

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Matt Ryan, however, has a case:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... anMa00.htm

Hall of Fame Monitor

PFR HOF Monitor: 106.05 (12th among QB, average HOF QB is 103.58)

Kirk Cousins is the ideal quarterback to be on your rival's team. Good enough to command top dollar for a decade and make the rivalry interesting, but not good enough to allow your rivalry neighbors to have bragging rights for a decade.

I love Kirk Cousins. Yes Kirk. I do like that. Keep being cute and have your season end on Wildcard Sundays.

Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑

12 Jun 2023 12:17

PFR thinks he's not even close:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... usKi00.htm

Hall of Fame Monitor

PFR HOF Monitor: 43.54 (63rd among QB, average HOF QB is 103.58)

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Matt Ryan, however, has a case:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... anMa00.htm

Hall of Fame Monitor

PFR HOF Monitor: 106.05 (12th among QB, average HOF QB is 103.58)

I don't know, seems just about every stat site is different, one place has Sid Luckman as top 5 QB's all time, another ranks him in the 30's, according to this only a couple top 100 with passer rating, so I don't know what to belive
https://www.profootballhof.com/all-time-passer-rating/

just wonder if those are PFR adjusted QB ratings??

heres another with Young at 97 passer rating, Rodgers now at 104 will possibly stand for years for HOF QB's

tatmuse.com/nfl/ask/lowest-passer-rating-among-hall-of-fame-quarterbacks-since-1966

Yoop wrote: ↑

12 Jun 2023 14:20

Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑

12 Jun 2023 12:17

PFR thinks he's not even close:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... usKi00.htm

Hall of Fame Monitor

PFR HOF Monitor: 43.54 (63rd among QB, average HOF QB is 103.58)

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Matt Ryan, however, has a case:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... anMa00.htm

Hall of Fame Monitor

PFR HOF Monitor: 106.05 (12th among QB, average HOF QB is 103.58)

I don't know, seems just about every stat site is different, one place has Sid Luckman as top 5 QB's all time, another ranks him in the 30's, according to this only a couple top 100 with passer rating, so I don't know what to belive
https://www.profootballhof.com/all-time-passer-rating/

Because everyone uses different criteria. There is almost always recency bias, too. For example, Don Hutson is by far the best WR ever to play based on the standards of his era.