Packers Defense - 2024

[Labrev]

I wasn't some big fan of Stokes in the draft, I hadn't even heard of him when we took him. But I think he would have been at least solid for us if he hadn't had the injuries. He was decent in his first year, regressed the next, but I think he could have turned it around the next season.

Some would say, if that were true then we'd be seeing it this year, which is fair enough, but I really feel like continuity is critical to player development. I couldn't really tell you why that is, it's just my hunch. And the disruption for a raw athlete player like him who needed a lot of refinement was too much.

[go pak go]

My guess is Stokes lost some of his speed with the injuries. In 2021, Eric was able to overcome his techincal weaknesses with straight up talent because he was that fast.

He was able to even make up against JaMar Chase in 2021 because he just had the speed to catch up. I think he has lost some of that.

[APB]

To this day Ill never understand that Stokes pick. I said it the day he was drafted. He wasnt the best CB on the board, he wasnt even the best CB available on his own collegiate team.

Yeah, I remember you being pretty vocal about him not even being the best CB on his own team. Wasn't it Tyson Campbell you were referencing?

That said, I don't think there were many here who were thrilled with the pick. Definitely questioned from the outset from the masses and, as it turns out, it appears the masses were correct. Not a good pick by Gutekunst.

[go pak go]

Stokes was considered a Day 2 guy. Just like Walker was considered a Day 2 guy

[Scott4Pack]

I think facing the Lions on their home turf should be a good litmus test for this defense. Fortunately, I think we can get pressure on Goff. If we can hold them under 20, that bodes well.

[BSA]

I think we can get pressure on Goff

It will be a challenge.
The loins are well aware of Goff's limitations when it comes to facing pressure- and Ben Johnson has done a remarkable job of making sure they limit his exposure there. Lots of quick throws and lots of chipping and max protect when needed.

[BF004]

Stokes was considered a Day 2 guy. Just like Walker was considered a Day 2 guy

Saw someone post that Thursday night picks should all be selected via popular fan vote. Gutenkunst manages round 2-7.

Might have 3 super bowls by now if we did that.

[Pckfn23]

Stokes was considered a Day 2 guy. Just like Walker was considered a Day 2 guy

Saw someone post that Thursday night picks should all be selected via popular fan vote. Gutenkunst manages round 2-7.

Might have 3 super bowls by now if we did that.

That would be interesting. These are the consensus mock drafts:
https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/mo ... draft-2018 - Josh Jackson
https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/mo ... draft-2019 - Noah Fant & Dalton Risner
https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/mo ... draft-2020 - Denzel Mims
https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/mo ... draft-2021 - Kadarius Toney
https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/mo ... draft-2022 - Treylon Burks & Daxton Hill
https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/mo ... draft-2023 - Dalton Kincaid
https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/mo ... draft-2024 - Amarius Mims

GROSS!

[Pckfn23]

Why didn't Jaire go on IR? Is he just being a complete Sally?

[BF004]

Packers fan voted =/= consensus mocks. THink they had a TE for us every other year as first or 2nd option, which none of us ever wanted.

[Pckfn23]

Packers fan voted =/= consensus mocks. THink they had a TE for us every other year as first or 2nd option, which none of us ever wanted.

Ya, I know. I was just putting something out there that was tangible.

[APB]

Why didn't Jaire go on IR? Is he just being a complete Sally?

What'd I miss?

Edit: nvrmind. Just read the GDT.

[BSA]

Is he just being a complete Sally?

When he tried to play vs bears and only lasted 10 snaps, Jaire commented that his current injury requires 21 days of non-activity in order to heal properly. He kept trying to make a go of it, but alas it wasn't to be. He missed 10 games in 2023 and another 5 so far in 2024. 2022 he played a full season, 2021 he missed most of the year. So its been a real struggle keeping him on the field and maybe they should have shut him down after the first Det game but with medical, there are no certainties.

[Pckfn23]

Is he just being a complete Sally?

When he tried to play vs bears and only lasted 10 snaps, Jaire commented that his current injury requires 21 days of non-activity in order to heal properly. He kept trying to make a go of it, but alas it wasn't to be. He missed 10 games in 2023 and another 5 so far in 2024. 2022 he played a full season, 2021 he missed most of the year. So its been a real struggle keeping him on the field and maybe they should have shut him down after the first Det game but with medical, there are no certainties.

Seems like some differing takes as we have also heard it's a torn PCL and it's all about pain management.

[BSA]

Seems like some differing takes as we have also heard it's a torn PCL and it's all about pain management.

We don't know jack diddly squat and I'm loathe to rip on a guy based on 2nd hand rumors and innuendo.
Every PCL is different, every patient is different and every recovery is different. Was it grade 1 or grade 4 ?
This is also why GB keeps detailed reports going back to HS in terms of injury & recovery times for each of their players. Some guys are quick, others take longer. Sometimes there are confounding issues, sometimes there aren't.

[Pckfn23]

Seems like some differing takes as we have also heard it's a torn PCL and it's all about pain management.

We don't know jack diddly squat and I'm loathe to rip on a guy based on 2nd hand rumors and innuendo.
Every PCL is different, every patient is different and every recovery is different. Was it grade 1 or grade 4 ?
This is also why GB keeps detailed reports going back to HS in terms of injury & recovery times for each of their players. Some guys are quick, others take longer. Sometimes there are confounding issues, sometimes there aren't.

Then we also don't know it's a 21 day nonactivity recovery. Which also doesn't make a ton of sense given his limited status in practice.

He needs to get on the field.

[BSA]

Then we also don't know it's a 21 day nonactivity recovery.

That's a direct quote from the patient.
more here:

https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/tough-en ... jd88k2yspw

“I went out there and, (shoot), all I could really give was 10 plays and then I felt something,” Alexander said. “If you know how PCL work, it don’t just get done in three weeks, so it just needed more time. I reaggravated it going back out there and only doing 10 plays, so now we just trying to get my knee back right.”

“Yes, sir. Oh, heck yeah. Of course,” he said. “You know, I just need more than 21 days of non-contact. It just needed more time because to take three weeks off and not do much, that still wasn’t enough.”

For reference on what the injury means for a skill-position player: Rams receiver Puka Nacua was out for six weeks – five games and a bye – after tearing a PCL in September.
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[Pckfn23]

Then we also don't know it's a 21 day nonactivity recovery.

That's a direct quote from the patient.
more here:

https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/tough-en ... jd88k2yspw

“I went out there and, (shoot), all I could really give was 10 plays and then I felt something,” Alexander said. “If you know how PCL work, it don’t just get done in three weeks, so it just needed more time. I reaggravated it going back out there and only doing 10 plays, so now we just trying to get my knee back right.”

“Yes, sir. Oh, heck yeah. Of course,” he said. “You know, I just need more than 21 days of non-contact. It just needed more time because to take three weeks off and not do much, that still wasn’t enough.”

For reference on what the injury means for a skill-position player: Rams receiver Puka Nacua was out for six weeks – five games and a bye – after tearing a PCL in September.
.

Then he should have went on IR and gotten right.

Nacua had a grade 2 sprain. From what we have heard Alexander's is torn, so grade 3?

[BF004]

Correct me if wrong, but if he went on IR, he'd have to miss the Seattle game too.

Sounds like he was legit close here. Imagine he'd be fine in 11 days.

Also getting the impression we are blaming the player for not going on IR, lol, definitely he has no part in that decision, really.

[Pckfn23]

Correct me if wrong, but if he went on IR, he'd have to miss the Seattle game too.

Sounds like he was legit close here. Imagine he'd be fine in 11 days.

Also getting the impression we are blaming the player for not going on IR, lol, definitely he has no part in that decision, really.

LaFleur mentioned in his presser that he does have a say concerning his injury.

I'm not blaming the player for not going on IR. I might be blaming the player if, as has been reported, his injury is about pain management and he hasn't really played in the 39 days, outside of 10 snaps against the Bears.

And maybe I dreamt the pain management part as I can't find it out there.