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This man has it right. I feel bad for Love. He had the worst possible set of circumstances since he was drafted. Was he a wasted pick? In the end, probably. Wasn't it the wrong thing to do at the time? Absolutely not.

Of course the Love pick was the right thing to do. We can’t look in hind sight at this.
Well, okay, we can. But that still doesn’t mean the Love pick was bad. Love will want to move on. And then we’ll still draft a QB, just not with RD1.

Scott4Pack wrote: ↑

08 Mar 2022 10:59

Of course the Love pick was the right thing to do. We can’t look in hind sight at this.
Well, okay, we can. But that still doesn’t mean the Love pick was bad. Love will want to move on. And then we’ll still draft a QB, just not with RD1.

Love must not be ready for prime time. And if he never works out he won't the be last QB taken in the first round who didn't pan out.

PAckers expected to franchise Davante.

Be interesting to see what Aaron's new contract will free up, potentially up to $15 million I think is about max.

Extension of Jaire could potentially be enough to get us below March 16 cap, sans Davante.

Extend Aaron, Davante and Jaire and cut Za'Darius, that could be enough to get us there.

Might still wanna extend Preston, Amos, Billy, or Dean to make more money, then can start talking to De'Vondre or Rasul or Tonyan or MVS.


Dillon going into year 3 with a higher need on both RB's to be active in the passing game with lack of WR depth, adding back Bakhtiari and Jenkins, Myers and Newman/JRJ progression, add some like 1st and 4th round WR talent.

This should be a really really good offense again.

NCF wrote: ↑

08 Mar 2022 13:08

Yeah I mean, having Brady and Wilson leave the conference isn't the worst news ever, eh?

Oh wait, Cousins IS Brady, crap!

NCF wrote: ↑

08 Mar 2022 13:08

The worst QB in the AFC west is better than the best QB in the NFC South.


Mahomes
Wilson
Herbert
Carr
Ryan
Darnold
Gabbert
Hill

Wilson's team was so bad and his conference was so tough that him being here did not really matter. Jimmy G has been giving us more trouble than Wilson has anytime recently, sad as that is to say.

He will probably make that Broncos team look real good, though.

paco wrote: ↑

08 Mar 2022 10:49

This man has it right. I feel bad for Love. He had the worst possible set of circumstances since he was drafted. Was he a wasted pick? In the end, probably. Wasn't it the wrong thing to do at the time? Absolutely not.

I don't feel that bad for him because he was total garbage when he got not one but two opportunities to prove otherwise.

Also, absolutely not a wasted pick regardless because he lit a fire under Rodgers' ass. Rodgers had been playing poorly prior to drafting Love.

Me neither. From what we've seen, it's safe to say that Love would have faceplanted if he went somewhere that started him. Like, maybe he's one of those guys who needs to learn by doing, but for most young QBs, that tends to destroy their confidence and ruin them.

This actually works out great for Love. He's got another year to sit and learn, while backing up a QB who is no ironman. He still has plenty of opportunity to show he can play.

If he somehow proves it convincingly this coming season, he can demand a trade, and some team will go for it -- there's always a need for a good young QB. Or he will ride out his rookie contract here with us and then can choose to go to whichever team that wants him, whereas most young QBs get stuck with whichever 'org drafted them whether the fit is good or not.

In case people forgot how young Love is yet...

texas wrote: ↑

08 Mar 2022 15:41

paco wrote: ↑

08 Mar 2022 10:49

This man has it right. I feel bad for Love. He had the worst possible set of circumstances since he was drafted. Was he a wasted pick? In the end, probably. Wasn't it the wrong thing to do at the time? Absolutely not.

I don't feel that bad for him because he was total garbage when he got not one but two opportunities to prove otherwise.

Also, absolutely not a wasted pick regardless because he lit a fire under Rodgers' ass. Rodgers had been playing poorly prior to drafting Love.

you say this with every post concerning Love, sure, obviously the pick inspired Rodgers, he even said he dedicated the off season to getting healthier, ( but he's said as much the last two off seasons too), more so I think his decline in play prior to Gute drafting Love had to do with the decline of the McCarthy offensive schemes, and the jump we saw from Rodgers had to do with the friendlier QB schemes Matt Lafluer installed, Lafluer was able to get the same sort of jump from Matt Ryan years prior, he also won MVP after the 2nd season under Lafluer.

we know that coaches find ways to unleash hidden potential from players, we saw Capers do so with Woodson, we saw that with McCarthy and Favre, so for you to claim drafting Love had more to do with the resurgence of Rodgers then Lafluers schemes just doesn't hold as much water as you think, it's a cheap shot at Rodgers and Lafluer and in some respects Gutekunst.

It was a mistake. Was it a huge mistake no. You're taking a gamble on the future. I think the biggest mistake was using a 4th to move up 4 slots. We've hit pretty good in the past in the 4th round. Had they just let the picks fall you might have got Love or not. If not, your picks hopefully fill needs and work out. Nothing is a sure thing.

Cdragon wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2022 09:49

It was a mistake. Was it a huge mistake no. You're taking a gamble on the future. I think the biggest mistake was using a 4th to move up 4 slots. We've hit pretty good in the past in the 4th round. Had they just let the picks fall you might have got Love or not. If not, your picks hopefully fill needs and work out. Nothing is a sure thing.

Rodgers at that time was also coming off two straight seasons of pretty objectively average/mediocre QB play, so mediocre that it was not irrational to believe a rookie QB could outplay/overtake him within a few seasons (at that time, half the league's QBs were playing better than him).

Of course, once Rodgers regained MVP form, that went out the window.

Labrev wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2022 10:34

Cdragon wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2022 09:49

It was a mistake. Was it a huge mistake no. You're taking a gamble on the future. I think the biggest mistake was using a 4th to move up 4 slots. We've hit pretty good in the past in the 4th round. Had they just let the picks fall you might have got Love or not. If not, your picks hopefully fill needs and work out. Nothing is a sure thing.

Rodgers at that time was also coming off two straight seasons of pretty objectively average/mediocre QB play, so mediocre that it was not irrational to believe a rookie QB could outplay/overtake him within a few seasons (at that time, half the league's QBs were playing better than him).

Of course, once Rodgers regained MVP form, that went out the window.

This is the narrative that so many people forget. I had a non Packers fan tell me how dumb the Love pick was the other day, and then I gently reminded him of Rodgers having a pretty rough stretch in 2015-2016 (prior to the run the table), broken collarbone in 2017, and then 2 mediocre years in 2018 & 2019.

the lengths fans will go to blame Rodgers for our PO losses has no end, and most of the spiel is BS, Rodgers has been getting plus 4000 yrds, plus 90% rating, ever since his injured year of 2017, and the same prior to that, Rodgers can't always over come poor play from the supporting cast., when the #1 WR year after year catches twice as many passes as the #2 that would be great place to help your QB, instead the GM drafts his replacement,

https://www.packers.com/team/stats/2018/REG

https://www.packers.com/team/stats/2019/REG

https://www.packers.com/team/stats/2020/REG

https://www.packers.com/team/stats/2021/REG

Yoop wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2022 11:35

the lengths fans will go to blame Rodgers for our PO losses has no end, and most of the spiel is BS, Rodgers has been getting plus 4000 yrds, plus 90% rating, ever since his injured year of 2017, and the same prior to that, Rodgers can't always over come poor play from the supporting cast., when the #1 WR year after year catches twice as many passes as the #2 that would be great place to help your QB, instead the GM drafts his replacement,

https://www.packers.com/team/stats/2018/REG

https://www.packers.com/team/stats/2019/REG

https://www.packers.com/team/stats/2020/REG

https://www.packers.com/team/stats/2021/REG

stats shmats. Nothing significant changed on our offense between '19 and '20 or '21 (least of all that all-important WR2 upgrade), yet Rodgers elevated his play to MVP-caliber where he was nowhere near the convo in '19.

Rodgers's level of play changed without anything major around him changing. It was all him.

Yoop wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2022 11:35

the lengths fans will go to blame Rodgers for our PO losses has no end, and most of the spiel is BS, Rodgers has been getting plus 4000 yrds, plus 90% rating, ever since his injured year of 2017, and the same prior to that, Rodgers can't always over come poor play from the supporting cast., when the #1 WR year after year catches twice as many passes as the #2 that would be great place to help your QB, instead the GM drafts his replacement,

https://www.packers.com/team/stats/2018/REG

https://www.packers.com/team/stats/2019/REG

https://www.packers.com/team/stats/2020/REG

https://www.packers.com/team/stats/2021/REG

Go watch 4-5 games from 2018/2019 and then watch 4-5 games from 2020/2021 and then get back to us.

Also, nobody was talking about playoff losses, much less blame for them, just whether or not drafting a QB high was justifiable.

It arguably was, one such argument being that 2019 Rodgers was playing at a level that a rookie QB could have upgraded the position. A rookie QB is not always Jordan Love, sometimes they are Justin Herbert (a lot of people thought Herbert also needed time before he'd be a good starter), and if Rodgers had not gotten his act together in 2020, that rookie QB would be our starter.

Rodgers *did* get it together, though, which is fortunate for us, because Love is not yet a viable starter if he ever will be.

And seeing as Rodgers literally threatened to leave, almost did until the 11th hour, last year over an issue that preexisted the Love pick, we almost flat-out needed Love last year.

Labrev wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2022 12:35

because Love is not yet a viable starter if he ever will be.

I think this is an oversimplification that many are making. It's not only "Love isn't ready". It's do we want to replace current Aaron Rodgers with anyone? Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert... doesn't matter. The way Aaron Rodgers has played the past two years, he is the bigger piece to this puzzle. I am very curious to see what his contract details show. We will have a much clearer picture of the long game here shortly.