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I do not doubt that the Packer offense playing less well than it has in the past has contributed to the poor play of the defense in 2022. The reverse complementary football if you will.BSA wrote: ↑02 Dec 2022 12:52GB has been pretty consistent with about 61-62 offensive plays/game across 2020, 2021 and 2022 and their league ranking is in the 20's
I think NOT getting a lead in the 1st half is a bigger issue with regards to supporting the defense.
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The offense also used to do a better job of doubling up...scoring at the end of 1st half and then again coming out in 3rd quarter. That doesn't appear to be happening as often in 2022. Don't have stats for that one, so I'm just going off my flawed memory.
One more item of note: Capers used to look at the difference in passer rating between GB and their opponents. When Rodgers was playing well, GB always had the advantage in passer rating. In 2022, Rodgers' passer rating has dropped, while our opponents' has risen to the point where they're really close now. In 2022, the Packers do not have the advantage in passer rating and that's another component where the poor offense negatively impacts the defense.
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I tend to agree, our offense has carried this defense for years, and mostly I blame it on lack of personal, why people continue to think a DC should be able to scheme around weak positions is mind boggling since we continuously see opposing offenses target those weak position in every football game we watch, week in and week out, this year we are feeling the Loss of Campbell, Gary and even Stokes 2021 performance big time, yes the backups have played well at times, but we still miss the starters consistency.LombardiTime wrote: ↑03 Dec 2022 10:00I do not doubt that the Packer offense playing less well than it has in the past has contributed to the poor play of the defense in 2022. The reverse complementary football if you will.BSA wrote: ↑02 Dec 2022 12:52GB has been pretty consistent with about 61-62 offensive plays/game across 2020, 2021 and 2022 and their league ranking is in the 20's
I think NOT getting a lead in the 1st half is a bigger issue with regards to supporting the defense.
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/p ... 2021-02-08
The offense also used to do a better job of doubling up...scoring at the end of 1st half and then again coming out in 3rd quarter. That doesn't appear to be happening as often in 2022. Don't have stats for that one, so I'm just going off my flawed memory.
One more item of note: Capers used to look at the difference in passer rating between GB and their opponents. When Rodgers was playing well, GB always had the advantage in passer rating. In 2022, Rodgers' passer rating has dropped, while our opponents' has risen to the point where they're really close now. In 2022, the Packers do not have the advantage in passer rating and that's another component where the poor offense negatively impacts the defense.
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/a ... 2022-12-04
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That said, the Packer defense was not very good all those years when the offense was, as referenced above, (1) getting leads in the 1st half, (2) Rodgers was playing well, including winning 4 MVPs, and the Packers had an advantage over their opponents in passer rating, and (3) doubling up and scoring at the end of the first and the beginning of the second halves.
In other words, good offensive football in Green Bay did not correspondingly lead to good defensive football.
It is also not impossible for a team to have a top 10 defense even when the offense is not very good.
This year for example, Denver has one of the worst offenses in the NFL, but the defense is giving up the fourth fewest points per game. The Denver defense is good, while the Denver offense stinks.
In Green Bay, the defense has not been very good, and has often stunk, even when the offense has been quite good.
The 2022 season has made one thing absolutely clear, irrespective of whether the Packer offense plays well or poorly, it is long past time for a complete transformation of how the Green Bay Packers play defensive football.
You must not be familiar with the salary cap. The good news for u though is that most people here think its all a scheme issue. Keep the faith.LombardiTime wrote: ↑04 Dec 2022 13:05Burn everything down on defense.
All of it.
Scheme, coaches, personnel/players are all bad and it ain't getting any better unless it gets blown up from top to bottom.
what do you think it is? obviously it isn't just coaching, or just players, but our corners played better last year, we where better stopping the run, Barry's defense has declined more in year 2 then Pettines did, and it looks like the players are quitting on him now to, our CB's are capable of much more then guarding real estate.Realist wrote: ↑04 Dec 2022 13:26You must not be familiar with the salary cap. The good news for u though is that most people here think its all a scheme issue. Keep the faith.LombardiTime wrote: ↑04 Dec 2022 13:05Burn everything down on defense.
All of it.
Scheme, coaches, personnel/players are all bad and it ain't getting any better unless it gets blown up from top to bottom.
The main point, I think, is that the ENTIRE defense is below par this year. It seems like almost all of them and the collective for sure are doing less than last year.Yoop wrote: ↑04 Dec 2022 19:24what do you think it is? obviously it isn't just coaching, or just players, but our corners played better last year, we where better stopping the run, Barry's defense has declined more in year 2 then Pettines did, and it looks like the players are quitting on him now to, our CB's are capable of much more then guarding real estate.Realist wrote: ↑04 Dec 2022 13:26You must not be familiar with the salary cap. The good news for u though is that most people here think its all a scheme issue. Keep the faith.LombardiTime wrote: ↑04 Dec 2022 13:05Burn everything down on defense.
All of it.
Scheme, coaches, personnel/players are all bad and it ain't getting any better unless it gets blown up from top to bottom.
Hell anyone that watches us play agrees Barry's schemes suck, your in the minority, course I suppose thats familiar territory for you.
It hasn't been pretty to watch, that's fer sure. But the points given up has stayed relatively consistent over the last 3 seasonsScott4Pack wrote: ↑05 Dec 2022 17:33The main point, I think, is that the ENTIRE defense is below par this year. It seems like almost all of them and the collective for sure are doing less than last year.
League wide points per game:BSA wrote: ↑06 Dec 2022 15:15It hasn't been pretty to watch, that's fer sure. But the points given up has stayed relatively consistent over the last 3 seasonsScott4Pack wrote: ↑05 Dec 2022 17:33The main point, I think, is that the ENTIRE defense is below par this year. It seems like almost all of them and the collective for sure are doing less than last year.
GB defense gave up:
2020 23.2/game
2021 21.3/ game
2022 23.2 / game
we are trying hard to continue as the worst run stopping defense in the league, when teams have to play catch up they don't run, so the defense looks better, still the coverage schemes allow huge space, and even below average QB's and receivers gut us.go pak go wrote: ↑06 Dec 2022 17:00Yeah I never thought of our defense as bottom barrel level. Our defense is absolutely an average defense. In fact I would say our defense has been above average every year since 2019.
But the talent and investment required this defense to be top 5. Not top 15. Our offense simply isn't good enough to overcome an average defense.
Impressive for any rookie!BSA wrote: ↑30 Dec 2022 16:17from reddit
"According to Pro Football Reference’s Advanced Defense table through Week 17, Quay Walker is by far the best linebacker by completion percentage allowed (49%, or 17 of 35) this season, well ahead of Fred Warner with the Niners (60%, or 37 of 62).
And he’s 10th overall, even when you include defensive backs."
I 100% agree losing Zadarius changed this defense for the worse. The Packers completely mismanaged their best leader. He did change the defensive culture while here and got them to play with some fun and passion. LaFleur should have just stepped in and made him a captain. I don’t care what the players voted for but Zadarius was right to be upset over it IMO.TheSkeptic wrote: ↑31 Dec 2022 02:09There are 2 things wrong with this D.
#1, The Packers lost Z. They chose to pay Rodgers and Bakh rather than Z.
#2, Gary got hurt.
Don't give me that BS about investment in the D. The investment has been in the O, not the D. And even so, if Gary were healthy this is a top 5 D. Unfortunately, the O is somewhere around 25. I don't care how good a D is, you can't win games with 17 points or less and where weak special teams give the opposing O good field position.