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come on now quit defending Lubby, that picture doesn't show Love look right at Jacobs as soon as the ball is snapped, and there is no such thing as a check down receiver in the red zone, throwing to Jacobs on that play was the smart move
There is nothing to defend on this play. Love did nothing wrong. Love looks right at Jacobs to draw the backside defenders over leaving Reed open on the leak to the left. Unfortunately, Reed gets chipped by Jenkins getting manhandled and it screws up the timing. This was confirmed by Matt Lafleur in his post game press conference.
There is absolutely such a thing as check downs in the red zone. That is what Jacobs was. Throwing to Jacobs was the smart move. It was a TD negated by a horrendously inconsistent call.
why in hell would support something so idiotic it pales in the face of reality, Jacobs was open immediately, and only had one player to beat right from the get go, while Reed and others were tangled in coverage, your right the first look was to freeze the DB/lbers, and it worked so well Love should have counted to 1 and then just thrown him the ball.
and Love is guilty of this stuff regularly, quit defending a QB that has not played consistent football
Not reality of what actually happened:
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Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
this offense can beat anyone when/if we get a quick start, to often though we have to rely on just running because Love , the receivers, or our OL take the majority of the first half to get the engine revved up, it wears down our defense, while the offense is sitting on the bench, we need to start faster, jmo.
Packers have scored first in 9 of 13 games. They have led after the first quarter in 10 of their 13 games. They have led at half in 7 of their 13 games.
and the 3 or 4 tough opponents they didn't start fast, and lost, you have a habit of twisting stats to make the team appear better then they have been, it's frustrating because it paints a false scenario .
Is saying we have won 9 of the last 13 games "twisting stats?"
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If we handle Seattle pretty convincingly, I will have the confidence to put GB in the top tier which means there is no team I am afraid we can't beat.
This isn't like 2019 where there was a clear #1 and we aren't in it. We have shown we can play with anyone on any field. Just sucks we lost close games to the top 3 teams in the conference.
Offense put up 35 points in 3 quarters. Incredible production once they figured out Aaron Glen's approach (which only took two drive failures). The offense was fanastic.
As for defense, some good and some bad. I do expect the secondary to improve if our guys are healthy. I thought our front D line played admirably with the interior boys playing really, really well against a strong opponent. As for the edge, Gary had a play. JJ almost had a play that would have won us the game.
The biggest issue we suffered however on defense was allowing a TD on the first drive when it was 1st and goal from the 20. We can't do that. The other piece was our injuries forced us into Tampa 2 with our less athletic Linebackers blitzing. This opened the door for way too many screens - espeically on 3rd and long. I think future state if we have Cooper, Walker, Williams, Alexander and Bullard all healthy....we can stop those screen plays.
come on now quit defending Lubby, that picture doesn't show Love look right at Jacobs as soon as the ball is snapped, and there is no such thing as a check down receiver in the red zone, throwing to Jacobs on that play was the smart move
There is nothing to defend on this play. Love did nothing wrong. Love looks right at Jacobs to draw the backside defenders over leaving Reed open on the leak to the left. Unfortunately, Reed gets chipped by Jenkins getting manhandled and it screws up the timing. This was confirmed by Matt Lafleur in his post game press conference.
There is absolutely such a thing as check downs in the red zone. That is what Jacobs was. Throwing to Jacobs was the smart move. It was a TD negated by a horrendously inconsistent call.
why in hell would support something so idiotic it pales in the face of reality, Jacobs was open immediately, and only had one player to beat right from the get go, while Reed and others were tangled in coverage, your right the first look was to freeze the DB/lbers, and it worked so well Love should have counted to 1 and then just thrown him the ball.
and Love is guilty of this stuff regularly, quit defending a QB that has not played consistent football
They’re coached and practice to go through progressions. I don’t think Jacobs was read #1 in that situation
Is saying we have 9 of the last 13 games "twisting stats?"
at minimum, it clouds reality, sure we've started great against less talented defenses, but we have struggled against the better defensive fronts, couldn't develop or move the chains running, and couldn't pass our way out of it, to me that's been pretty obvious
One thing that irks me is how dead silent the stadium was Nixon got his INT. In other words, there were hardly any Packer fans in attendance. Annoys me we can't have that at home.
Detroit has sucked for 60 years. 2023 was the first Division Crown since 1993. They are finally the team not only in the division, but in the conference. Of course their fanbase is going to turn out. You can't contain that level of excitement.
Green Bay has had 35 years of being the top dog. This results in a strong road presence but also results in home fans selling their seats as the pent up passion isn't there during a good season like a Lions team would see (since we pretty much always have good seasons)
I get pissed at GB allowing visiting fans but I also completely understand how a team like the 2024 Lions fanbase is not selling their tickets. You don't give up that kind of opporutnity to be part of rare greatness.
There is nothing to defend on this play. Love did nothing wrong. Love looks right at Jacobs to draw the backside defenders over leaving Reed open on the leak to the left. Unfortunately, Reed gets chipped by Jenkins getting manhandled and it screws up the timing. This was confirmed by Matt Lafleur in his post game press conference.
There is absolutely such a thing as check downs in the red zone. That is what Jacobs was. Throwing to Jacobs was the smart move. It was a TD negated by a horrendously inconsistent call.
why in hell would support something so idiotic it pales in the face of reality, Jacobs was open immediately, and only had one player to beat right from the get go, while Reed and others were tangled in coverage, your right the first look was to freeze the DB/lbers, and it worked so well Love should have counted to 1 and then just thrown him the ball.
and Love is guilty of this stuff regularly, quit defending a QB that has not played consistent football
They’re coached and practice to go through progressions. I don’t think Jacobs was read #1 in that situation
what I'am getting at, is that in the red zone, your first read, when as open as Jacobs was becomes discretionary, and up to the QB.
no one other than Jacobs was open on that play, none were in the EZ, plus if he had thrown to Jacobs right away, then Watson is a legal blocker, rather then Later, when the refs ruled it a pick play.
why in hell would support something so idiotic it pales in the face of reality, Jacobs was open immediately, and only had one player to beat right from the get go, while Reed and others were tangled in coverage, your right the first look was to freeze the DB/lbers, and it worked so well Love should have counted to 1 and then just thrown him the ball.
and Love is guilty of this stuff regularly, quit defending a QB that has not played consistent football
They’re coached and practice to go through progressions. I don’t think Jacobs was read #1 in that situation
what I'am getting at, is that in the red zone, your first read, when as open as Jacobs was becomes discretionary, and up to the QB.
no one other than Jacobs was open on that play, none were in the EZ, plus if he had thrown to Jacobs right away, then Watson is a legal blocker, rather then Later, when the refs ruled it a pick play.
Very, very strange hill to die on concerning Jordan Love's ineffectiveness on this play. It was a broken play. Love found the open guy and scored a TD. The OPI call was bullsh*t.
This was an officiating error. Not a Love error. There are better plays to knock Jordan Love on (such as the overthrow to Kraft in the EZ)
One thing that irks me is how dead silent the stadium was Nixon got his INT. In other words, there were hardly any Packer fans in attendance. Annoys me we can't have that at home.
Detroit has sucked for 60 years. 2023 was the first Division Crown since 1993. They are finally the team not only in the division, but in the conference. Of course their fanbase is going to turn out. You can't contain that level of excitement.
Green Bay has had 35 years of being the top dog. This results in a strong road presence but also results in home fans selling their seats as the pent up passion isn't there during a good season like a Lions team would see (since we pretty much always have good seasons)
I get pissed at GB allowing visiting fans but I also completely understand how a team like the 2024 Lions fanbase is not selling their tickets. You don't give up that kind of opporutnity to be part of rare greatness.
Let's not overlook 72 degree weather, where a fan can eat a not frozen brat, or lick a frozen beer
my brother in law said he tried to get tickets and this game has been sold out for months, your right, Lions fans are packing that joint cause the have been waiting for winning seasons all there life.
this offense can beat anyone when/if we get a quick start, to often though we have to rely on just running because Love , the receivers, or our OL take the majority of the first half to get the engine revved up, it wears down our defense, while the offense is sitting on the bench, we need to start faster, jmo.
Packers have scored first in 9 of 13 games. They have led after the first quarter in 10 of their 13 games. They have led at half in 7 of their 13 games.
and the 3 or 4 tough opponents they didn't start fast, and lost, you have a habit of twisting stats to make the team appear better then they have been, it's frustrating because it paints a false scenario .
A true scenario. 10 out of 13 games we have led at the quarter. The 3 we didn't: Vikings, Lions, and Lions. Texans and Eagles were tough games and we led at the quarter. We won 1 and lost 1 of those. 8 other games we started fast and won. https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/1 ... s-per-game - Packers tied for 4th in points/game in the first quarter. 8th in first half points/game.
Starting fast is good. We want that. Hell, teams that lead at halftime win around 75% of the time. There is even a very high correlation between leading after the 1st quarter and winning. It's not just a Packers phenomenon that slow starts equals a loss. Luckily we haven't started slow too much this year.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
One thing that irks me is how dead silent the stadium was Nixon got his INT. In other words, there were hardly any Packer fans in attendance. Annoys me we can't have that at home.
Detroit has sucked for 60 years. 2023 was the first Division Crown since 1993. They are finally the team not only in the division, but in the conference. Of course their fanbase is going to turn out. You can't contain that level of excitement.
Green Bay has had 35 years of being the top dog. This results in a strong road presence but also results in home fans selling their seats as the pent up passion isn't there during a good season like a Lions team would see (since we pretty much always have good seasons)
I get pissed at GB allowing visiting fans but I also completely understand how a team like the 2024 Lions fanbase is not selling their tickets. You don't give up that kind of opporutnity to be part of rare greatness.
I get it. I just want less opposing fans at our games...
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
why in hell would support something so idiotic it pales in the face of reality, Jacobs was open immediately, and only had one player to beat right from the get go, while Reed and others were tangled in coverage, your right the first look was to freeze the DB/lbers, and it worked so well Love should have counted to 1 and then just thrown him the ball.
and Love is guilty of this stuff regularly, quit defending a QB that has not played consistent football
They’re coached and practice to go through progressions. I don’t think Jacobs was read #1 in that situation
what I'am getting at, is that in the red zone, your first read, when as open as Jacobs was becomes discretionary, and up to the QB.
no one other than Jacobs was open on that play, none were in the EZ, plus if he had thrown to Jacobs right away, then Watson is a legal blocker, rather then Later, when the refs ruled it a pick play.
Jacobs was not open as a first read. He was not open until Watson and Joseph collided.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
They’re coached and practice to go through progressions. I don’t think Jacobs was read #1 in that situation
what I'am getting at, is that in the red zone, your first read, when as open as Jacobs was becomes discretionary, and up to the QB.
no one other than Jacobs was open on that play, none were in the EZ, plus if he had thrown to Jacobs right away, then Watson is a legal blocker, rather then Later, when the refs ruled it a pick play.
Very, very strange hill to die on concerning Jordan Love's ineffectiveness on this play. It was a broken play. Love found the open guy and scored a TD. The OPI call was bullsh*t.
This was an officiating error. Not a Love error. There are better plays to knock Jordan Love on (such as the overthrow to Kraft in the EZ)
it's both, but Love should have tossed it to Jacobs right from the start, again had he, and the refs couldn't call a penalty on Watson, what is it about that that your failing to grasp, or I'am wrong about?, a WR can block anyone if the ball is out of the QB's hand, what makes that a penalty is that Love still had the ball.
you guys need to rewatch this play minus your basis to defend a QB, that not only has been late to trigger often, less than accurate often, every game we see open receivers, sometimes more then one per play, and Love still holding the ball.
this isn't me hating on Love, this is me explaining what I've been seeing.
They’re coached and practice to go through progressions. I don’t think Jacobs was read #1 in that situation
what I'am getting at, is that in the red zone, your first read, when as open as Jacobs was becomes discretionary, and up to the QB.
no one other than Jacobs was open on that play, none were in the EZ, plus if he had thrown to Jacobs right away, then Watson is a legal blocker, rather then Later, when the refs ruled it a pick play.
Jacobs was not open as a first read. He was not open until Watson and Joseph collided.
I'am done, if that is what you want to delute this conversation to you can do so with yourself, Jacobs was wide open start to finish on that play.
One thing that irks me is how dead silent the stadium was Nixon got his INT. In other words, there were hardly any Packer fans in attendance. Annoys me we can't have that at home.
Detroit has sucked for 60 years. 2023 was the first Division Crown since 1993. They are finally the team not only in the division, but in the conference. Of course their fanbase is going to turn out. You can't contain that level of excitement.
Green Bay has had 35 years of being the top dog. This results in a strong road presence but also results in home fans selling their seats as the pent up passion isn't there during a good season like a Lions team would see (since we pretty much always have good seasons)
I get pissed at GB allowing visiting fans but I also completely understand how a team like the 2024 Lions fanbase is not selling their tickets. You don't give up that kind of opporutnity to be part of rare greatness.
I get it. I just want less opposing fans at our games...
it's 30 degrees, the beer is frozen, same with the brats, local yokels do not like that
Detroit has sucked for 60 years. 2023 was the first Division Crown since 1993. They are finally the team not only in the division, but in the conference. Of course their fanbase is going to turn out. You can't contain that level of excitement.
Green Bay has had 35 years of being the top dog. This results in a strong road presence but also results in home fans selling their seats as the pent up passion isn't there during a good season like a Lions team would see (since we pretty much always have good seasons)
I get pissed at GB allowing visiting fans but I also completely understand how a team like the 2024 Lions fanbase is not selling their tickets. You don't give up that kind of opporutnity to be part of rare greatness.
I get it. I just want less opposing fans at our games...
it's 30 degrees, the beer is frozen, same with the brats, local yokels do not like that
it's 30 degrees, the beer is frozen, same with the brats, local yokels do not like that
beer freezes at 28 degrees
good to know, I suppose, point remains the same, the cold weather at Lambeau, and our winning record has the locals selling tickets
From what I have seen, the cold games are attended heavier by Packers fans. The September - Thanksigiving games are the ones that get more taken over by visiting fans.
Another thing is Lambeau is an NFL icon. If there is one "away" stadium you must make as a pilgramage, Lambeau is always in the top 1 - 3 stadiums to do it. So fans flock to GB during the seasonable games. December - January becomes more Packers fan heavy.
All year we say "we can beat them as long as we play good no problem" "we will be a top contender when we cut out the penalties" "we can beat the lions if we dont turn the ball over (watson)
Its week 14, gotta start asking if we will ever be the team that doesnt do the dumb stuff that loses a team games.
what I'am getting at, is that in the red zone, your first read, when as open as Jacobs was becomes discretionary, and up to the QB.
no one other than Jacobs was open on that play, none were in the EZ, plus if he had thrown to Jacobs right away, then Watson is a legal blocker, rather then Later, when the refs ruled it a pick play.
Very, very strange hill to die on concerning Jordan Love's ineffectiveness on this play. It was a broken play. Love found the open guy and scored a TD. The OPI call was bullsh*t.
This was an officiating error. Not a Love error. There are better plays to knock Jordan Love on (such as the overthrow to Kraft in the EZ)
it's both, but Love should have tossed it to Jacobs right from the start, again had he, and the refs couldn't call a penalty on Watson, what is it about that that your failing to grasp, or I'am wrong about?, a WR can block anyone if the ball is out of the QB's hand, what makes that a penalty is that Love still had the ball.
you guys need to rewatch this play minus your basis to defend a QB, that not only has been late to trigger often, less than accurate often, every game we see open receivers, sometimes more then one per play, and Love still holding the ball.
this isn't me hating on Love, this is me explaining what I've been seeing.
The irony of this post, after years of defending Rodgers for missing open receivers, is truly remarkable.
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quit defending Lubby, that picture doesn't show Love look right at Jacobs as soon as the ball is snapped, and there is no such thing as a check down receiver in the red zone, throwing to Jacobs on that play was the smart move 
