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Re: Cheese Curds - 2020 - News Around The League

Posted: 23 Aug 2020 20:31
by go pak go
YoHoChecko wrote:
23 Aug 2020 17:47
go pak go wrote:
23 Aug 2020 17:26
BF004 wrote:
23 Aug 2020 15:02
Earl Thomas released after a fight in practice.


Sounds like they will end up paying him $22 million for one year of service.
We should have listened to the fans and put all our money into Thomas rather than pay Amos, Smith and Smith.

We were just one piece away!
My buddy at work is a huge Ravens fan. The weekend free agency started, we were arguing about free agent safeties (before any had signed). I thought it was obvious that you pay the premium for Earl Thomas, and he thought the better deal was a lower contract for an Adrian Amos. The argument went on for probably 45 seconds of me insisting Thomas was a better value even at top dollar and him insisting Amos was the better value. The alerts for these two signings came within minutes of each other. Our respective teams had each gone against our wishes. Today I texted him to concede the argument.
The one arguement for Earl Thomas is the type of safety he was and that is why I was so intrigued by Thomas was because of his speed.

But honestly with how it all worked out, if Savage develops into the player we hope, he has the speed. We really could be on the extreme plus end of this deal here and it shows. Our defense has the potential from being a clear catastrophic mess in 2018 to really being one of the most feared units in 2020 and beyond.

Re: Cheese Curds - 2020 - News Around The League

Posted: 24 Aug 2020 00:49
by lupedafiasco
go pak go wrote:
23 Aug 2020 20:31
YoHoChecko wrote:
23 Aug 2020 17:47
go pak go wrote:
23 Aug 2020 17:26


We should have listened to the fans and put all our money into Thomas rather than pay Amos, Smith and Smith.

We were just one piece away!
My buddy at work is a huge Ravens fan. The weekend free agency started, we were arguing about free agent safeties (before any had signed). I thought it was obvious that you pay the premium for Earl Thomas, and he thought the better deal was a lower contract for an Adrian Amos. The argument went on for probably 45 seconds of me insisting Thomas was a better value even at top dollar and him insisting Amos was the better value. The alerts for these two signings came within minutes of each other. Our respective teams had each gone against our wishes. Today I texted him to concede the argument.
The one arguement for Earl Thomas is the type of safety he was and that is why I was so intrigued by Thomas was because of his speed.

But honestly with how it all worked out, if Savage develops into the player we hope, he has the speed. We really could be on the extreme plus end of this deal here and it shows. Our defense has the potential from being a clear catastrophic mess in 2018 to really being one of the most feared units in 2020 and beyond.
Can’t fear a defense that can’t stop the run.

Re: Cheese Curds - 2020 - News Around The League

Posted: 26 Aug 2020 10:19
by BSA
According to Tim Tucker of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Falcons fans defaulted on $10.9 million in personal seat license payments in the 12-month period which ended in June. Since 2016, fans have defaulted on $42.9 million worth of payments to the team, choosing to give up money already paid , since they were apparently unable to sell the PSL.

These PSL's are critical revenue to pay for the palaces the owners built in recent years. Chargers were supposed to sell $ 400 million to support their new LA Palace and they still haven't sold $ 100 million. PSL's are BS and if more fans default due to COVID - it could be a real problem for many owners
.

Re: Cheese Curds - 2020 - News Around The League

Posted: 26 Aug 2020 10:28
by NCF
BSA wrote:
26 Aug 2020 10:19
According to Tim Tucker of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Falcons fans defaulted on $10.9 million in personal seat license payments in the 12-month period which ended in June. Since 2016, fans have defaulted on $42.9 million worth of payments to the team, choosing to give up money already paid , since they were apparently unable to sell the PSL.

These PSL's are critical revenue to pay for the palaces the owners built in recent years. Chargers were supposed to sell $ 400 million to support their new LA Palace and they still haven't sold $ 100 million. PSL's are BS and if more fans default due to COVID - it could be a real problem for many owners
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It is unfortunate, but I am not sure it puts any NFL owners in a bind. They will find other ways.

Re: Cheese Curds - 2020 - News Around The League

Posted: 26 Aug 2020 10:44
by go pak go
I thought the PSL was just a one time upfront payment or deposit if you will?

Re: Cheese Curds - 2020 - News Around The League

Posted: 26 Aug 2020 10:48
by BSA
It is a one time fee, but the dollars were so big that the owners allowed them to use a payment plan to cover it
So these fans have paid some portion of the bill and then defaulted on the remaining debt. In the case of ATL, the fans couldn't re-sell the PSL's because there's no market for them

Re: Cheese Curds - 2020 - News Around The League

Posted: 26 Aug 2020 11:15
by go pak go
BSA wrote:
26 Aug 2020 10:48
It is a one time fee, but the dollars were so big that the owners allowed them to use a payment plan to cover it
So these fans have paid some portion of the bill and then defaulted on the remaining debt. In the case of ATL, the fans couldn't re-sell the PSL's because there's no market for them
Interesting. It was always clear the pure dollar amounts of these stadiums were ridiculous, unsustainable and also not fair to have these NFL team owners be subsidized by the public by using public dollars to help pay for these.

Especially when a lot of the stadiums were overpriced for unnecessary reasons such as needing a retractable roof. Make the decision of what you want and save $200 million by going one way or the other.

Re: Cheese Curds - 2020 - News Around The League

Posted: 26 Aug 2020 11:39
by BSA
go pak go wrote:
26 Aug 2020 11:15
Especially when a lot of the stadiums were overpriced for unnecessary reasons such as needing a retractable roof.
Yes, stadium building became a dick-measuring contest between the billionaires. The roof in ATL is cool to see, but its a ridiculous waste of money
The other thing is they built a luxury hotel in the middle of the facility and pushed out the blue collar fans who built this league. But the problem with wooing the wealthy fans is that they're fickle and will happily move on to the next big thing, while the blue collar fans they pushed out are diehards for life. This year should be illuminating for the owners as some of their money-only decisions come home to roost

Re: Cheese Curds - 2020 - News Around The League

Posted: 26 Aug 2020 17:28
by lupedafiasco
BSA wrote:
26 Aug 2020 11:39
go pak go wrote:
26 Aug 2020 11:15
Especially when a lot of the stadiums were overpriced for unnecessary reasons such as needing a retractable roof.
Yes, stadium building became a dick-measuring contest between the billionaires. The roof in ATL is cool to see, but its a ridiculous waste of money
The other thing is they built a luxury hotel in the middle of the facility and pushed out the blue collar fans who built this league. But the problem with wooing the wealthy fans is that they're fickle and will happily move on to the next big thing, while the blue collar fans they pushed out are diehards for life. This year should be illuminating for the owners as some of their money-only decisions come home to roost
The owners do not care about die hard fans. As long as they’re making money they don’t care if they have visiting fans or local fans or whoever as long as they paid the max price for a ticket. It was that way before. It will be that way after.

Re: Cheese Curds - 2020 - News Around The League

Posted: 30 Aug 2020 06:52
by YoHoChecko
Vikings trading for Ngakoue.

Dang.

Re: Cheese Curds - 2020 - News Around The League

Posted: 30 Aug 2020 07:29
by NCF
YoHoChecko wrote:
30 Aug 2020 06:52
Vikings trading for Ngakoue.

Dang.
Can't afford Everson Griffen, trade for Ngakoue...

:?

Re: Cheese Curds - 2020 - News Around The League

Posted: 30 Aug 2020 08:30
by go pak go
NCF wrote:
30 Aug 2020 07:29
YoHoChecko wrote:
30 Aug 2020 06:52
Vikings trading for Ngakoue.

Dang.
Can't afford Everson Griffen, trade for Ngakoue...

:?
I think there is more to this. Danniele Hunter hasn't been in camp yet. This may be MN's response to that situation.

Re: Cheese Curds - 2020 - News Around The League

Posted: 30 Aug 2020 08:44
by BF004
So vikings definitely not going to score well on that cohesion rating. :lol:

Man, for a team who was looking desperate to keep their core together the past few years seem like they ended up losing nearly everybody.

Re: Cheese Curds - 2020 - News Around The League

Posted: 30 Aug 2020 08:47
by BF004
The Vikings are sending Jacksonville a second-round pick plus a conditional fifth-round pick that could raise as high as a third-round pick. If Ngakoue is a Pro Bowler this year, it becomes a fourth-round pick. If the Vikings win the Super Bowl and Ngakoue makes the Pro Bowl, it’s a third-round pick.
Sounds like Yannick taking a bit of a paycut too, from like 17.788 to 13.5.
A one source pegged it, the new salary will be in the range of $13.5 million. (That specific number has not been confirmed, yet.)

It was critical to the trade happening. Teams couldn’t afford to pay him $17.788 million for one year — especially in this year. So his choices were to take what he could get elsewhere or stay in Jacksonville at $17.788 million. Or, as Ngakoue may have done, taken zero dollars this year and not played for Jacksonville at all.

With the Jaguars insisting on getting at least a second-round pick for Ngakoue and unwilling to pay any of his money in order to get the deal done (unlike the Texans last year when sending Jadeveon Clowney to Seattle), the subsidy needed to come not from his prior team but from the player.

And here’s where it gets even more interesting: There was at least one other team from which Ngakoue would have taken even less than what the Vikings are paying him.

So, yes, he wanted out badly. Badly enough to walk away from $17.788 million in a state with no state income tax and to take $13.5 million in a state with a maximum rate of 9.85 percent.

Re: Cheese Curds - 2020 - News Around The League

Posted: 30 Aug 2020 08:56
by BF004
Sounds like MN will have to make a corresponding move/s just to make cap room for the trade.



Assuming Hunter plays week 1, neither of MN's DE's, as of today, have practiced once yet.

Re: Cheese Curds - 2020 - News Around The League

Posted: 30 Aug 2020 08:58
by go pak go
BF004 wrote:
30 Aug 2020 08:56
Sounds like MN will have to make a corresponding move/s just to make cap room for the trade.



Assuming Hunter plays week 1, neither of MN's DE's, as of today, have practiced once yet.
To be fair. It didn't work out too badly for Khalil Mack week 1 2018.

Re: Cheese Curds - 2020 - News Around The League

Posted: 30 Aug 2020 10:28
by lupedafiasco
It helps them but Yannick is a good player, not a great player. Im not that concerned.

Re: Cheese Curds - 2020 - News Around The League

Posted: 30 Aug 2020 11:00
by BF004
Vikings are in kind of that limbo, not sure if they are rebuilding or contending, reminds me of us like 2015-2018.

Re: Cheese Curds - 2020 - News Around The League

Posted: 30 Aug 2020 11:21
by go pak go
BF004 wrote:
30 Aug 2020 11:00
Vikings are in kind of that limbo, not sure if they are rebuilding or contending, reminds me of us like 2015-2018.
Except we totally thought 2015 - 2017 we were contenders at the time.

I think MN fans feel the same.

Honestly they could be damn good if Cousins plays well, their CBs show up and Thielen, Jefferson, and Cook ball out.

But that is a lot of ifs.

I think pound for pound, the Packers are quite a bit ahead of MN. And we proved that last December.

Re: Cheese Curds - 2020 - News Around The League

Posted: 30 Aug 2020 11:43
by Raptorman
NCF wrote:
30 Aug 2020 07:29
YoHoChecko wrote:
30 Aug 2020 06:52
Vikings trading for Ngakoue.

Dang.
Can't afford Everson Griffen, trade for Ngakoue...

:?
Griffen chose to leave. He was under contract until 2022 with an out. He is not making anymore with the Cowboys than he would have made in MN.