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Scott4Pack wrote: ↑

21 May 2023 19:10

salmar80 wrote: ↑

19 May 2023 18:54

Drj820 wrote: ↑

19 May 2023 15:14

So what happens if Love gets hurt for a month or so, we just gonna forfeit those games?

Even if we are planning on bringing in foles or wentz all along, I’d rather get them in the building.

What do you think we should do?

Spend cap to bring in a vet, or in case of Love being injured or failing bad, go for the high 2024 draft pick?

Personally, I like option 2

I think that Love has every reason to succeed in every game, at least for the first 50 minutes. He knows the playbook. He has the physical skills. The game has hopefully slowed down for him already. The playbook will be simple at first. And the expectations are going to be reasonable. If Love fails to meet expectations, i think that’ll come in 2025, not 2024.

What experience does Love have that the game should be slowing down for him already?

Drj820 wrote: ↑

21 May 2023 20:00

Scott4Pack wrote: ↑

21 May 2023 19:10

salmar80 wrote: ↑

19 May 2023 18:54

What do you think we should do?

Spend cap to bring in a vet, or in case of Love being injured or failing bad, go for the high 2024 draft pick?

Personally, I like option 2

I think that Love has every reason to succeed in every game, at least for the first 50 minutes. He knows the playbook. He has the physical skills. The game has hopefully slowed down for him already. The playbook will be simple at first. And the expectations are going to be reasonable. If Love fails to meet expectations, i think that’ll come in 2025, not 2024.

What experience does Love have that the game should be slowing down for him already?

He’s shared a QB room with one of the best to do it for the past three years. Surely, in conversations and film study, he’s gleaned a thing or two to help process the game and recognize crucial reads faster/more efficiently.

Scott4Pack wrote: ↑

21 May 2023 19:10

salmar80 wrote: ↑

19 May 2023 18:54

Drj820 wrote: ↑

19 May 2023 15:14

So what happens if Love gets hurt for a month or so, we just gonna forfeit those games?

Even if we are planning on bringing in foles or wentz all along, I’d rather get them in the building.

What do you think we should do?

Spend cap to bring in a vet, or in case of Love being injured or failing bad, go for the high 2024 draft pick?

Personally, I like option 2

I think that Love has every reason to succeed in every game, at least for the first 50 minutes. He knows the playbook. He has the physical skills. The game has hopefully slowed down for him already. The playbook will be simple at first. And the expectations are going to be reasonable. If Love fails to meet expectations, i think that’ll come in 2025, not 2024.

fans in this forum might be reasonable, even that is highly unlikely, but those that go to that stadium for the games wont have that sort of patience, and they certainly will voice there displeasure if Love doesn't do well, and that will happen before the end of 2023, Love isn't going to get 2 seasons to become a good QB, specially if Rodgers does well in N Y.

any competent older vet would be a better backup option then Clifford.

imo Love is more ready now then Rodgers was when he took over for Favre, still anything can happen, and I and fans in the stands wont support tanking the season just because the new young QB sucks or gets injured.

Yoop wrote: ↑

22 May 2023 07:20

Scott4Pack wrote: ↑

21 May 2023 19:10

salmar80 wrote: ↑

19 May 2023 18:54

What do you think we should do?

Spend cap to bring in a vet, or in case of Love being injured or failing bad, go for the high 2024 draft pick?

Personally, I like option 2

I think that Love has every reason to succeed in every game, at least for the first 50 minutes. He knows the playbook. He has the physical skills. The game has hopefully slowed down for him already. The playbook will be simple at first. And the expectations are going to be reasonable. If Love fails to meet expectations, i think that’ll come in 2025, not 2024.

fans in this forum might be reasonable, even that is highly unlikely, but those that go to that stadium for the games wont have that sort of patience, and they certainly will voice there displeasure if Love doesn't do well, and that will happen before the end of 2023, Love isn't going to get 2 seasons to become a good QB, specially if Rodgers does well in N Y.

any competent older vet would be a better backup option then Clifford.

imo Love is more ready now then Rodgers was when he took over for Favre, still anything can happen, and I and fans in the stands wont support tanking the season just because the new young QB sucks or gets injured.

That may be but the Packers don't have the salary cap to afford a competent older vet. They can only afford the incompetent ones. As for a competent one, he is going to cost more than Love does. Do you REALLY want your backup QB earning more than Love? How would that fly in the locker room (like a lead balloon I suspect)

TheSkeptic wrote: ↑

22 May 2023 08:55

Yoop wrote: ↑

22 May 2023 07:20

Scott4Pack wrote: ↑

21 May 2023 19:10

I think that Love has every reason to succeed in every game, at least for the first 50 minutes. He knows the playbook. He has the physical skills. The game has hopefully slowed down for him already. The playbook will be simple at first. And the expectations are going to be reasonable. If Love fails to meet expectations, i think that’ll come in 2025, not 2024.

fans in this forum might be reasonable, even that is highly unlikely, but those that go to that stadium for the games wont have that sort of patience, and they certainly will voice there displeasure if Love doesn't do well, and that will happen before the end of 2023, Love isn't going to get 2 seasons to become a good QB, specially if Rodgers does well in N Y.

any competent older vet would be a better backup option then Clifford.

imo Love is more ready now then Rodgers was when he took over for Favre, still anything can happen, and I and fans in the stands wont support tanking the season just because the new young QB sucks or gets injured.

That may be but the Packers don't have the salary cap to afford a competent older vet. They can only afford the incompetent ones.

There are def a few guys out there with good experience in the past who are now washed, but understand the game and how to be a pro. These include Wentz, Foles, and Ryan

Drj820 wrote: ↑

22 May 2023 09:09

TheSkeptic wrote: ↑

22 May 2023 08:55

Yoop wrote: ↑

22 May 2023 07:20

fans in this forum might be reasonable, even that is highly unlikely, but those that go to that stadium for the games wont have that sort of patience, and they certainly will voice there displeasure if Love doesn't do well, and that will happen before the end of 2023, Love isn't going to get 2 seasons to become a good QB, specially if Rodgers does well in N Y.

any competent older vet would be a better backup option then Clifford.

imo Love is more ready now then Rodgers was when he took over for Favre, still anything can happen, and I and fans in the stands wont support tanking the season just because the new young QB sucks or gets injured.

That may be but the Packers don't have the salary cap to afford a competent older vet. They can only afford the incompetent ones.

There are def a few guys out there with good experience in the past who are now washed, but understand the game and how to be a pro. These include Wentz, Foles, and Ryan

Do you seriously think any of these 3 will sign for less than Love's salary????? How is that showing confidence in your starter??? And where is 3-5 mil in salary cap going to come from?

You admit they are washed up and I agree, but only Foles might be interested at 3 mil. The other 2 would likely cost several times that. And for what? They are washed up, remember, incapable of playing NFL caliber football. You want a coach, hire a coach, he does not count against the salary cap.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

22 May 2023 09:09

TheSkeptic wrote: ↑

22 May 2023 08:55

Yoop wrote: ↑

22 May 2023 07:20

fans in this forum might be reasonable, even that is highly unlikely, but those that go to that stadium for the games wont have that sort of patience, and they certainly will voice there displeasure if Love doesn't do well, and that will happen before the end of 2023, Love isn't going to get 2 seasons to become a good QB, specially if Rodgers does well in N Y.

any competent older vet would be a better backup option then Clifford.

imo Love is more ready now then Rodgers was when he took over for Favre, still anything can happen, and I and fans in the stands wont support tanking the season just because the new young QB sucks or gets injured.

That may be but the Packers don't have the salary cap to afford a competent older vet. They can only afford the incompetent ones.

There are def a few guys out there with good experience in the past who are now washed, but understand the game and how to be a pro. These include Wentz, Foles, and Ryan

plus probably a few others, no one is asking for the best FA QB out there, or even trading for one, and there are half a doz. that wont break the bank that could at least keep this team competitive should Love lose some time, this Love makes it or it's all over, and we didn't expect to do well this year anyway, well I can't and wont accept that, thats like carrying a sign saying I'am a loser, thing is some of those same QB's will always be around, so we might be able to get one during the season, but thats a iffy proposition at best.

Our top backup in Rodgers's first few years as starter was a 7th-rounder with less pro experience. We'll be fine.

Labrev wrote: ↑

22 May 2023 09:31

Our top backup in Rodgers's first few years as starter was a 7th-rounder with less pro experience. We'll be fine.

the fact that Rodgers didn't miss a lick back then means LOve wont miss a lick so we'll be fine, people that depend on the past to predict the future are wrong at least as much as they are right.

Labrev wrote: ↑

22 May 2023 09:31

Our top backup in Rodgers's first few years as starter was a 7th-rounder with less pro experience. We'll be fine.

Exactly. And if we are not, then we get a better draft pick. No one expects playoffs this season anyway. We hope for it but we don't expect it.

Yoop wrote: ↑

22 May 2023 09:42

Labrev wrote: ↑

22 May 2023 09:31

Our top backup in Rodgers's first few years as starter was a 7th-rounder with less pro experience. We'll be fine.

the fact that Rodgers didn't miss a lick back then means LOve wont miss a lick so we'll be fine, people that depend on the past to predict the future are wrong at least as much as they are right.

Not the point.

Labrev wrote: ↑

22 May 2023 09:52

Yoop wrote: ↑

22 May 2023 09:42

Labrev wrote: ↑

22 May 2023 09:31

Our top backup in Rodgers's first few years as starter was a 7th-rounder with less pro experience. We'll be fine.

the fact that Rodgers didn't miss a lick back then means LOve wont miss a lick so we'll be fine, people that depend on the past to predict the future are wrong at least as much as they are right.

Not the point.

what is your point then? time to stop expecting the next couple years to go exactly as they went for Rodgers.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

22 May 2023 10:01

Labrev wrote: ↑

22 May 2023 09:52

Yoop wrote: ↑

22 May 2023 09:42

the fact that Rodgers didn't miss a lick back then means LOve wont miss a lick so we'll be fine, people that depend on the past to predict the future are wrong at least as much as they are right.

Not the point.

what is your point then? time to stop expecting the next couple years to go exactly as they went for Rodgers.

The point is, Rodgers's development was not hurt by the lack of an older vet in the room.

As for what to do in the event of injury, I think people are overstating the difference between these vet guys like Wentz and whoever that looked pretty awful last we've seen them, versus unproven guys like Etling and Clifford. I don't think the drop-off from one to the other is that severe, if it even exists.

And the advantage of Etling/Clifford is opposing teams don't know what to expect of them. Wentz, Foles, and Ryan have been very thoroughly scouted by the whole league.

Did they keep the Covid rules about practice squad participation? Would be such an epic burn, but appropriate, to offer Matt Ryan a spot on the PS

Drj820 wrote: ↑

22 May 2023 09:09

TheSkeptic wrote: ↑

22 May 2023 08:55

Yoop wrote: ↑

22 May 2023 07:20

fans in this forum might be reasonable, even that is highly unlikely, but those that go to that stadium for the games wont have that sort of patience, and they certainly will voice there displeasure if Love doesn't do well, and that will happen before the end of 2023, Love isn't going to get 2 seasons to become a good QB, specially if Rodgers does well in N Y.

any competent older vet would be a better backup option then Clifford.

imo Love is more ready now then Rodgers was when he took over for Favre, still anything can happen, and I and fans in the stands wont support tanking the season just because the new young QB sucks or gets injured.

That may be but the Packers don't have the salary cap to afford a competent older vet. They can only afford the incompetent ones.

There are def a few guys out there with good experience in the past who are now washed, but understand the game and how to be a pro. These include Wentz, Foles, and Ryan

I find it ironic that two of the three players you're pining for (Wentz/Foles) had more success before they gained any "experience and how to be a pro" experience than after...

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

22 May 2023 10:34

Did they keep the Covid rules about practice squad participation? Would be such an epic burn, but appropriate, to offer Matt Ryan a spot on the PS

no kidding, heck put Clifford on the PS, Ryan is walk on ready, If Love should get knocked out of a game I'd prefer Ryan over either of Etling or Clifford.

Labrev wrote: ↑

22 May 2023 10:20

Drj820 wrote: ↑

22 May 2023 10:01

Labrev wrote: ↑

22 May 2023 09:52

Not the point.

what is your point then? time to stop expecting the next couple years to go exactly as they went for Rodgers.

The point is, Rodgers's development was not hurt by the lack of an older vet in the room.

i disagree with the point that because Rodgers developed a certain way, then that means Love will also develop the exact same way.

APB wrote: ↑

22 May 2023 10:41

Drj820 wrote: ↑

22 May 2023 09:09

TheSkeptic wrote: ↑

22 May 2023 08:55

That may be but the Packers don't have the salary cap to afford a competent older vet. They can only afford the incompetent ones.

There are def a few guys out there with good experience in the past who are now washed, but understand the game and how to be a pro. These include Wentz, Foles, and Ryan

I find it ironic that two of the three players you're pining for (Wentz/Foles) had more success before they gained any "experience and how to be a pro" experience than after...

Foles peaked in his 7th year in the league when he won the SB.

Wentz was the 2nd overall pick.

Not seeing the irony of the situation.

Foles best statistical year by far was his 2nd year in 2013. Philly won the Super Bowl in his 6th year (2017), in which he started 3 regular season games with a QB Rating 40.7 points lower than 2013.

Carson Wentz, before injury in 2017, had his best statistical season.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

21 May 2023 20:00

Scott4Pack wrote: ↑

21 May 2023 19:10

salmar80 wrote: ↑

19 May 2023 18:54

What do you think we should do?

Spend cap to bring in a vet, or in case of Love being injured or failing bad, go for the high 2024 draft pick?

Personally, I like option 2

I think that Love has every reason to succeed in every game, at least for the first 50 minutes. He knows the playbook. He has the physical skills. The game has hopefully slowed down for him already. The playbook will be simple at first. And the expectations are going to be reasonable. If Love fails to meet expectations, i think that’ll come in 2025, not 2024.

What experience does Love have that the game should be slowing down for him already?

Don’t get me wrong. He still needs full-time playing for the game speed to normalize for him. But even with the limited amount of playing time that he’s had, he’s still significantly better off than he would be if he had only been sitting for three years.