No way in hell Gute only keeps 6. Last time he drafted 3 WRs he kept 8. I say he keeps 7.
And how do you tell Rich Bisaccia you are taking his fav gunner off the active roster? Toure is a lock!
Jesus.
I just named my top 6 WRs.
I have predicted 7 on the roster all offseason. I think we keep 7. But lordy. You're an aggressive dude based on a simple post just naming my top 6 WRs.
Aggressive? Thought my post was pretty tame. Didn't know you took me as "aggressive". I get called a troll here daily and never take it as "aggressive." I do think it's unacceptable to attempt to frame a actual Packers fan as a troll though. It has toned down more recently.
So who's your 7th WR?
Right now I would go with Rodgers because he has been our primary punt returner, has provided the best production as kick returner and is a 3rd round pick with name recognition. But I am not in love with Rodgers. I think he has made progress from last year but he left some plays out on the field Friday night.
I do get your point about a gunner. We desperately need one. I honestly haven't watched who our gunners have been during the PS games. I always hoped Gafford could be one, but I don't know if he his physical enough to do it.
I could see us go lean on TE/FB or even OLB freeing up another spot for a gunner (like Toure as you suggest). I don't think Davis is under any threat of being picked up on waivers at this point. And nobody besides Enegbare is a lock at OLB in my opinion after the #3 OLB spot.
Re: Packers Roster / Way to Early 53
Posted: 22 Aug 2022 10:42
by NCF
It looked like this kid was moving around pretty good. I think he might have a shot.
Re: Packers Roster / Way to Early 53
Posted: 22 Aug 2022 11:09
by go pak go
That screen blow up was insane for Abernathy. The INT was really athletic but was helped with Hill falling down.
I do get your point about a gunner. We desperately need one. I honestly haven't watched who our gunners have been during the PS games. I always hoped Gafford could be one, but I don't know if he his physical enough to do it.
I thought Innis Gaines, when healthy, and K. Thomas generally have done a pretty nice job as gunners and jammers. Gaines, particularly; wish we knew more about his injury status and if he'll be returning soon. But I don't see Toure being SO much better than any alternatives (or even better than the two guys I listed) that he demands a roster spot.
It's very strange how there's a big defense of rostering our final 7th round pick, but no one would bat an eye if Ford were cut or when Walker and Carptenter are released--all picked before Toure.
To be clear: I LIKE Toure. I just think he's got the best combination of "needs time and development before he can contribute" and "expendable investment in him by the team." I LIKE him as a PS player who makes the 2023 roster after our free agents depart (Watkins, Lazard, Cobb are all playing on expiring contracts this year). I just don't see this weird driving need to keep him on the 53 when he's not even playing in the first half of preseason games.
I do get your point about a gunner. We desperately need one. I honestly haven't watched who our gunners have been during the PS games. I always hoped Gafford could be one, but I don't know if he his physical enough to do it.
I thought Innis Gaines, when healthy, and K. Thomas generally have done a pretty nice job as gunners and jammers. Gaines, particularly; wish we knew more about his injury status and if he'll be returning soon. But I don't see Toure being SO much better than any alternatives (or even better than the two guys I listed) that he demands a roster spot.
It's very strange how there's a big defense of rostering our final 7th round pick, but no one would bat an eye if Ford were cut or when Walker and Carptenter are released--all picked before Toure.
To be clear: I LIKE Toure. I just think he's got the best combination of "needs time and development before he can contribute" and "expendable investment in him by the team." I LIKE him as a PS player who makes the 2023 roster after our free agents depart (Watkins, Lazard, Cobb are all playing on expiring contracts this year). I just don't see this weird driving need to keep him on the 53 when he's not even playing in the first half of preseason games.
Yeah as a WR, he has no value to me this year. And I don't see him being picked up by any other team based on what he has put on film.
The only thing I know we need to have is a gunner. Toure is big so perhaps the argument of him being harder to push around has merit but I admit I have never watched him play gunner.
We just need a gunner. Someone who can reliably get down field on a punt. I felt like we struggled getting a player down the field on a lot of punts so far this preseason.
Like has Doubs been tried as gunner in practice? He seems like a good body build to be one in IMO.
Re: Packers Roster / Way to Early 53
Posted: 22 Aug 2022 11:32
by YoHoChecko
Oh! Innis Gaines is back at practice. There's a gunner.
No way in hell Gute only keeps 6. Last time he drafted 3 WRs he kept 8. I say he keeps 7.
And how do you tell Rich Bisaccia you are taking his fav gunner off the active roster? Toure is a lock!
Jesus.
I just named my top 6 WRs.
I have predicted 7 on the roster all offseason. I think we keep 7. But lordy. You're an aggressive dude based on a simple post just naming my top 6 WRs.
Aggressive? Thought my post was pretty tame. Didn't know you took me as "aggressive". I get called a troll here daily and never take it as "aggressive." I do think it's unacceptable to attempt to frame a actual Packers fan as a troll though. It has toned down more recently.
So who's your 7th WR?
I havn't called you a troll all day yet, but you've trolled the members here since before the draft, we where and according to you fools and without knowledge of this game if we didn't bow to your idiotic opinion that Olave should be our first pick, and guty should trade down below NO to get him.
Don't know why you think you can pop in this forum, insult all the members, and think we'll just sit still for it, but most have, far as I can tell you've come here twice, prior to this last draft and now, both times it amounted to we are all fools and your the only one who knows about football.
It's very strange how there's a big defense of rostering our final 7th round pick, but no one would bat an eye if Ford were cut or when Walker and Carptenter are released--all picked before Toure.
I think it is something you are building up bigger in your own head than it really is. I get the long-term appeal of Toure hitting and I also see how he can contribute in the short-term, but if they keep Winfree or any of the other guys over him, I am not going to bat an eye. I know you disagree, but I also think there may be guys at the bottom of the 53 that the team likes longer-term only that are kept over guys that they want/need early in this season. Practice squad call ups and flexibility makes it quite a bit different than it used to be and I'm not sure the fan base has adapted that line of thinking yet. Honestly, I don't even know if the teams have settled on defined strategies. I think they are still feeling their way through it, but it's not classic roster construction of old. I do truly believe that.
It's very strange how there's a big defense of rostering our final 7th round pick, but no one would bat an eye if Ford were cut or when Walker and Carptenter are released--all picked before Toure.
I think it is something you are building up bigger in your own head than it really is. I get the long-term appeal of Toure hitting and I also see how he can contribute in the short-term, but if they keep Winfree or any of the other guys over him, I am not going to bat an eye. I know you disagree, but I also think there may be guys at the bottom of the 53 that the team likes longer-term only that are kept over guys that they want/need early in this season. Practice squad call ups and flexibility makes it quite a bit different than it used to be and I'm not sure the fan base has adapted that line of thinking yet. Honestly, I don't even know if the teams have settled on defined strategies. I think they are still feeling their way through it, but it's not classic roster construction of old. I do truly believe that.
If I'm building it up in my head, will you find me all the posts that say we should keep Ford, Carpenter and Williams on the 53 because they were drafted players who have long-term upside? Because aside from maybe a Ford here and there, I just haven't seen it.
Yet Toure's chances for making the roster--not for now, but for later--have come up in the WR thread, the Early 53 thread, and the Training Camp thread.
I'm not making anything up. People are advocating for our very last pick to make the team despite drops, despite playing with the 3rd team most times, despite not being a returner or having popped on STs, just lined up there sometimes. Lots of people are doing it. And no one is doing the same for our similarly up-in-the-air roster spots for our deep D-Line and roll-of-the-dice safety depth, where we have athletically gifted 7th rounders, as well. Everyone seems perfectly content to place them on the PS.
It's very strange how there's a big defense of rostering our final 7th round pick, but no one would bat an eye if Ford were cut or when Walker and Carptenter are released--all picked before Toure.
I think it is something you are building up bigger in your own head than it really is. I get the long-term appeal of Toure hitting and I also see how he can contribute in the short-term, but if they keep Winfree or any of the other guys over him, I am not going to bat an eye. I know you disagree, but I also think there may be guys at the bottom of the 53 that the team likes longer-term only that are kept over guys that they want/need early in this season. Practice squad call ups and flexibility makes it quite a bit different than it used to be and I'm not sure the fan base has adapted that line of thinking yet. Honestly, I don't even know if the teams have settled on defined strategies. I think they are still feeling their way through it, but it's not classic roster construction of old. I do truly believe that.
right, we don't need any more FAT heads in this forum
It's very strange how there's a big defense of rostering our final 7th round pick, but no one would bat an eye if Ford were cut or when Walker and Carptenter are released--all picked before Toure.
I think it is something you are building up bigger in your own head than it really is. I get the long-term appeal of Toure hitting and I also see how he can contribute in the short-term, but if they keep Winfree or any of the other guys over him, I am not going to bat an eye. I know you disagree, but I also think there may be guys at the bottom of the 53 that the team likes longer-term only that are kept over guys that they want/need early in this season. Practice squad call ups and flexibility makes it quite a bit different than it used to be and I'm not sure the fan base has adapted that line of thinking yet. Honestly, I don't even know if the teams have settled on defined strategies. I think they are still feeling their way through it, but it's not classic roster construction of old. I do truly believe that.
If I'm building it up in my head, will you find me all the posts that say we should keep Ford, Carpenter and Williams on the 53 because they were drafted players who have long-term upside? Because aside from maybe a Ford here and there, I just haven't seen it.
Yet Toure's chances for making the roster--not for now, but for later--have come up in the WR thread, the Early 53 thread, and the Training Camp thread.
I'm not making anything up. People are advocating for our very last pick to make the team despite drops, despite playing with the 3rd team most times, despite not being a returner or having popped on STs, just lined up there sometimes. Lots of people are doing it. And no one is doing the same for our similarly up-in-the-air roster spots for our deep D-Line and roll-of-the-dice safety depth, where we have athletically gifted 7th rounders, as well. Everyone seems perfectly content to place them on the PS.
I just don't see this strong conviction that you claim from others aside from one guy.
That screen blow up was insane for Abernathy. The INT was really athletic but was helped with Hill falling down.
But man. That screen blow up.
Any clip of that? I haven't seen that yet.
here ya go, you'll have to click on Abernathy clip, lots of other film clips too, Winfree is making Guty's decision making really tough, gets beyond the zone and crosses perfectly giving Love ample room to place the ball, really nice.
I just don't see how you are so steadfast that Winfree is in the Top 5.
Beyond that, a number of considerations come into play. Toure, a rookie on a 4-year contract is a more valuable long-term commodity than a journeyman in Winfree who is either coming up on ERFA or RFA deals.
You are correct. Winfree is better than Rodgers or Toure but Gute will go with the two draft picks just because they are draft picks. Rodgers is awful. They will lose Winfree to waivers.
I mean it’s all been discussed, it’s a crowded room, either we keep 7 or gotta make a tough choice. I would say no doubt Toure is behind as a WR, but has more upside and it would appear more ST value. Not sure either guy would suit up a lot either way. But I’m not sure they keep 7, if they don’t, I got a small lean towards Toure right now.
Certainty? Nah.
But NCF, BF, Wally, Ringo, Yoop, PackerNation, and an occasional 23... all seem to be thinking Toure makes the roster. I don't. I'm debating not only with people who are certain, but actually more for the sake of those who are less certain. I am trying to convince those people that my understanding of Toure (and of Winfree) is a more accurate take than those who have the opposing take.
I'm not just here to feed the troll; and he certainly is not the only one to bring up STs even though, for the life of me I can't find why. Bisciatta has not mentioned his name in any of his press availability I've seen. I just watched 25 minutes of interviews with him. The ONLY Special Teams mentions I get about Toure are from Toure saying he feels like he needs to contribute and appreciates the hidden yards of special teams.
Like genuinely, I can't find any tweets or quotes complimenting his ST play. Only people saying "I think we'll keep him for STs" without backing it up.
I'm not just here to feed the troll; and he certainly is not the only one to bring up STs even though, for the life of me I can't find why. Bisciatta has not mentioned his name in any of his press availability I've seen. I just watched 25 minutes of interviews with him. The ONLY Special Teams mentions I get about Toure are from Toure saying he feels like he needs to contribute and appreciates the hidden yards of special teams.
Like genuinely, I can't find any tweets or quotes complimenting his ST play. Only people saying "I think we'll keep him for STs" without backing it up.
You clearly were not at the open practices last week. Had you been there, you'd have ascertained without a doubt that Toure is Bisciatta's go-to ST ace.
In all seriousness, I'm in the "Toure doesn't make the cut" camp. I think he makes the PS but he isn't anywhere near ready to contribute to the active roster like other players are.
Re: Packers Roster / Way to Early 53
Posted: 22 Aug 2022 17:47
by PackerNation
*Bisaccia
And keep calling me a "troll." It shows me a lot about you and the fact that you are projecting on to others the things you don't like about yourself. Psych 101.
Have a wonderful evening....I know I will.
Re: Packers Roster / Way to Early 53
Posted: 23 Aug 2022 11:36
by NCF
Re: Packers Roster / Way to Early 53
Posted: 23 Aug 2022 12:58
by Crazylegs Starks
Poor Cole Van Lanen. Like going from haute cuisine to dog food.
Poor Cole Van Lanen. Like going from haute cuisine to dog food.
Yeah but he has a job and probably on their 53. With both Bakh and Jenkins off PUP his odds of making the team were not good. When a team has as much talent and depth as the Packers, even good players get cut. Better that the Packers get something for him than for him to be claimed on waivers.
