Packers Huddle

For those keeping score, the assault charge against Davante Adams for shoving that cameraman last year has been dismissed. It was a nothing-burger and the judge saw it that way. Good for him. A civil case is still pending as the cameraman claims he suffered a concussion as a result of running into the path of Adams but whatever.

What I found interesting about the story link is the accompanying video discussion between Florio and Sims regarding Adams' statements following his selection as 1st Team All-Pro last year. It was clearly important for Davante to establish his success wasn't dependent upon Aaron Rodgers throwing him the ball. He was great without Rodgers, and it was important for him to show the world his success was dependent upon only one person: Davante Adams.

Clearly there was more to Adams departure than meets the eye. I get the sense there may have been a bit of resentment in Adams watching Rodgers continually get paid top dollar and receive the overwhelming share of credit for their collective success while he made barely half as much and was largely seen as second fiddle to Rodgers.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootba ... -is-closed

Ray was All American fullback at Illinois.

flapackfan wrote: ↑

29 Jun 2023 06:16

Ray was All American fullback at Illinois.

And that was in the days when fullbacks were often the lead ball carrier or at least shared top billing with the halfback.

Bogey wrote: ↑

30 Jun 2023 10:04

flapackfan wrote: ↑

29 Jun 2023 06:16

Ray was All American fullback at Illinois.

And that was in the days when fullbacks were often the lead ball carrier or at least shared top billing with the halfback.

Jimmy Taylor, Jim Brown, John Henry Johnson, Nick Petrosante as examples

Bogey wrote: ↑

30 Jun 2023 10:05

Bogey wrote: ↑

30 Jun 2023 10:04

flapackfan wrote: ↑

29 Jun 2023 06:16

Ray was All American fullback at Illinois.

And that was in the days when fullbacks were often the lead ball carrier or at least shared top billing with the halfback.

Jimmy Taylor, Jim Brown, John Henry Johnson, Nick Petrosante as examples

John Riggins

Craig 'Ironhead' Heyward.

Didn’t FB’s lead the packers in rushing every year during the Lindy Infante era?

BF004 wrote: ↑

04 Jul 2023 17:55

Didn’t FB’s lead the packers in rushing every year during the Lindy Infante era?

Absolutely correct! Brent Fullwood, Michael Haddix and Darrell Thompson were all fullback rushing machines under Lindy Infante.

RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑

04 Jul 2023 19:48

BF004 wrote: ↑

04 Jul 2023 17:55

Didn’t FB’s lead the packers in rushing every year during the Lindy Infante era?

Absolutely correct! Brent Fullwood, Michael Haddix and Darrell Thompson were all fullback rushing machines under Lindy Infante.

what a sad situation, other then Fullwood (89) having one decent season (821y), our leading rusher didn't top 500 yrds, and it was worse before Lindy with Gregg, I just think if your going to play small ball offense then ya need at least what Brent Fullwood produced in 89, and better #2, course Magic was probably our #2 with 300 plus, no wonder we lost so much in those two decades, we couldn't run, we couldn't pass, or stop either, our QB was the best player and required to be miraculous or dum da dum dum, just wait till next year

Yoop wrote: ↑

04 Jul 2023 20:36

RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑

04 Jul 2023 19:48

BF004 wrote: ↑

04 Jul 2023 17:55

Didn’t FB’s lead the packers in rushing every year during the Lindy Infante era?

Absolutely correct! Brent Fullwood, Michael Haddix and Darrell Thompson were all fullback rushing machines under Lindy Infante.

what a sad situation, other then Fullwood (89) having one decent season (821y), our leading rusher didn't top 500 yrds, and it was worse before Lindy with Gregg, I just think if your going to play small ball offense then ya need at least what Brent Fullwood produced in 89, and better #2, course Magic was probably our #2 with 300 plus, no wonder we lost so much in those two decades, we couldn't run, we couldn't pass, or stop either, our QB was the best player and required to be miraculous or dum da dum dum, just wait till next year

Paul Ott Carruth fits right in there as well.

Letting him simply walk away still stands as one of the biggest FA blunders in recent memory. Not just in terms for GB, but among all teams.

I was just checking out a YouTube video on Favre’s first game. The comeback win against the Bungles.

After Favre threw the tying touchdown, I didn’t realize that Brett also held for the go ahead extra point. No problem though…snap and hold were fine. Jackie put it through the uprights for Holmgren’s first win.

Foosball wrote: ↑

08 Jul 2023 20:35

I was just checking out a YouTube video on Favre’s first game. The comeback win against the Bungles.

After Favre threw the tying touchdown, I didn’t realize that Brett also held for the go ahead extra point. No problem though…snap and hold were fine. Jackie put it through the uprights for Holmgren’s first win.

Yeah, I remember a time when it was pretty common for the backup QB to be the holder on FG attempts. I believe the logic was QBs were more accustomed to handling the ball thus reducing miscues in getting the ball set for the kicker. It also made fake FG attempts a bit more manageable with an actual QB on the field to execute the fake.

Not sure if there was an injury or just a gradual change in philosophy that led to punters eventually taking over the role. I suppose with all the learning and responsibilities already laid upon the backup QB, it just made more sense to assign the holder duties to the punter since they don’t do much of anything other than kicking a ball.

APB wrote: ↑

09 Jul 2023 09:15

Foosball wrote: ↑

08 Jul 2023 20:35

I was just checking out a YouTube video on Favre’s first game. The comeback win against the Bungles.

After Favre threw the tying touchdown, I didn’t realize that Brett also held for the go ahead extra point. No problem though…snap and hold were fine. Jackie put it through the uprights for Holmgren’s first win.

Yeah, I remember a time when it was pretty common for the backup QB to be the holder on FG attempts. I believe the logic was QBs were more accustomed to handling the ball thus reducing miscues in getting the ball set for the kicker. It also made fake FG attempts a bit more manageable with an actual QB on the field to execute the fake.

Not sure if there was an injury or just a gradual change in philosophy that led to punters eventually taking over the role. I suppose with all the learning and responsibilities already laid upon the backup QB, it just made more sense to assign the holder duties to the punter since they don’t do much of anything other than kicking a ball.

I think this also had a lot to do with it

When did quarterbacks stop holding kicks?
Holder (gridiron football) - Wikipedia

Years ago in the NFL, backup quarterbacks generally held for field goal kicks. Having the backup quarterback play as the holder has faded out in the NFL, mainly due to an NFL rule, in effect until 2011, that allowed teams to dress a third quarterback who could enter the game only in emergencies.


Rosters Are Limited
Teams can carry 53 players, plus a 10-man practice squad. That’s a total of 63 potential players, but only 46 are allowed to dress for a game. This means teams must make some tough decisions regarding how many of each position player they want to trot out there on Sunday.

Most teams only dress two quarterbacks for each game. That's a starter who gets most of the reps during the week, and a backup who had better be paying attention. Neither of those guys has a lot of time to mess around with special teams.

The same can be said of wide receivers, tight ends, and defensive backs. They may have good hands, but they don’t have a lot of time at their disposal.

Sure you could dress a third quarterback, but the punter is already dressing for the game and doesn’t need to be so involved in the game plan.

https://howtheyplay.com/team-sports/Rea ... ield-Goals

Foosball wrote: ↑

08 Jul 2023 20:35

I was just checking out a YouTube video on Favre’s first game. The comeback win against the Bungles.

After Favre threw the tying touchdown, I didn’t realize that Brett also held for the go ahead extra point. No problem though…snap and hold were fine. Jackie put it through the uprights for Holmgren’s first win.

I think Favre actually admitted that (on at least one occasion) after setting the ball in place, he pulled his hands away from the ball at the last couple seconds because he didn't want to risk his hands getting kicked. I was watching something where he said that and they showed an up-close angle of the replay where yes, in fact, you can see him doing exactly that.

I believe it was this very PAT, but I don't remember for sure.

Labrev wrote: ↑

09 Jul 2023 11:25

Foosball wrote: ↑

08 Jul 2023 20:35

I was just checking out a YouTube video on Favre’s first game. The comeback win against the Bungles.

After Favre threw the tying touchdown, I didn’t realize that Brett also held for the go ahead extra point. No problem though…snap and hold were fine. Jackie put it through the uprights for Holmgren’s first win.

I think Favre actually admitted that (on at least one occasion) after setting the ball in place, he pulled his hands away from the ball at the last couple seconds because he didn't want to risk his hands getting kicked. I was watching something where he said that and they showed an up-close angle of the replay where yes, in fact, you can see him doing exactly that.

I believe it was this very PAT, but I don't remember for sure.

I think you're correct that it was this kick. I believe he also said that he was celebrating so much he forgot he had to be out there to hold.

A new interview with Eddie Lee Ivery is out:

https://www.packers.com/video/packers-a ... -lee-ivery

APB wrote: ↑

08 Jul 2023 07:11

Letting him simply walk away still stands as one of the biggest FA blunders in recent memory. Not just in terms for GB, but among all teams.

Yes, a neighbor of mine down in FL from the Buffalo era is a big Bills fan and he thanks me periodically for Heyward. I tell him most Packers fans were/are not happy that we let him just walk away.

People act as though Hayward is the only player we've had that produced well with a chip on there shoulder after leaving or coming here, fact is a snubbed player tends to rededicate himself to his profession just as we all do with our jobs.

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2017/0 ... h-packers/

And, to be fair, Hayward wasn’t very good during the 2015 season. The NFL agreed; Hayward’s three-year deal with the Chargers was worth less than $6 million per year, with $6.8 million guaranteed. His market wasn’t a robust or lucrative one.