Packers Huddle

Drj820 wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2024 08:22

Gary would have games where he would disrupt non stop, and games where we couldnt even tell if he had arrived at the stadium. Im hoping next year he shows up to the stadium for every game.

Yeah he seemed to completely disappear after the Thanksgiving game.

go pak go wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2024 08:44

Drj820 wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2024 08:22

Gary would have games where he would disrupt non stop, and games where we couldnt even tell if he had arrived at the stadium. Im hoping next year he shows up to the stadium for every game.

Yeah he seemed to completely disappear after the Thanksgiving game.

Year 1 back from an ACL. It's a pretty common tale. I hoped we would find a little extra gas down the stretch, but I think he was running on empty. I think he will be an absolute force next year.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2024 08:22

Gary would have games where he would disrupt non stop, and games where we couldnt even tell if he had arrived at the stadium. Im hoping next year he shows up to the stadium for every game.

yep, 6 sacks in 2 games, 3 more in the next 15 games, Gary gets pushed out and his loop arounds are to deep to have affect, I expect his knee is still on his mind and why we didn't see counter moves from him, just guessing, right he needs to start finishing and getting more sacks.

Clark was this seasons DL hero again, but like what I saw from Wyatt and certainly LVN, Brooks, and Wooden, get Enagbare back, possibly even keep Smith along with a more healthy Gary, what DC prospect wouldn't love to inherit this group

I am afraid Gary has gotten on that Kenny Clark career trajectory.

You always see the flashes, you see top end pro-bowl/all-pro potential, but just invisible too often. Every year you are hoping on that breakout, and just seemingly every year it is filled with excuses why it didn't happen.... But next year!!

Guessing he is who he is, probably never quite live up to that contract.

BF004 wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2024 09:38

I am afraid Gary has gotten on that Kenny Clark career trajectory.

You always see the flashes, you see top end pro-bowl/all-pro potential, but just invisible too often. Every year you are hoping on that breakout, and just seemingly every year it is filled with excuses why it didn't happen.... But next year!!

Guessing he is who he is, probably never quite live up to that contract.

Year out from ACL. Might be a bit early for projections. Next year will be telling either way.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2024 09:40

BF004 wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2024 09:38

I am afraid Gary has gotten on that Kenny Clark career trajectory.

You always see the flashes, you see top end pro-bowl/all-pro potential, but just invisible too often. Every year you are hoping on that breakout, and just seemingly every year it is filled with excuses why it didn't happen.... But next year!!

Guessing he is who he is, probably never quite live up to that contract.

Year out from ACL. Might be a bit early for projections. Next year will be telling either way.

I'd love to be wrong, but just feel like we've seen this and I think it's important to be honest with ourselves (front office, not us). That he isn't a game-wrecker, he isn't all-pro quality, he isn't Bosa or Watt, and we shouldn't expect him to be. When we are building our team, our defense, our scheme, our game-plans, I think you have to realize he is an above average to good starter, and probably nothing more, and build around that. If we are banking on him to be more impactful than he can be, we will end up disappointed yet again.

go pak go wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2024 08:44

Drj820 wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2024 08:22

Gary would have games where he would disrupt non stop, and games where we couldnt even tell if he had arrived at the stadium. Im hoping next year he shows up to the stadium for every game.

Yeah he seemed to completely disappear after the Thanksgiving game.

He did and I think that was a huge problem for us. Preston was our best edge player down the stretch and our interior guys became our best pass rushers.

Im hoping Gary just busted his ass so hard in rehab to come back on time that he was just burned out. It usually takes players a full season playing after an ACL tear to return to form. He needs to be like he was the first half of the season and we need a big step from LVN who looked to come on when given more opportunities as the season went on. Hes still incredibly raw but has the potential to be a physical freak off the edge.

BF004 wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2024 09:44

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2024 09:40

BF004 wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2024 09:38

I am afraid Gary has gotten on that Kenny Clark career trajectory.

You always see the flashes, you see top end pro-bowl/all-pro potential, but just invisible too often. Every year you are hoping on that breakout, and just seemingly every year it is filled with excuses why it didn't happen.... But next year!!

Guessing he is who he is, probably never quite live up to that contract.

Year out from ACL. Might be a bit early for projections. Next year will be telling either way.

I'd love to be wrong, but just feel like we've seen this and I think it's important to be honest with ourselves (front office, not us). That he isn't a game-wrecker, he isn't all-pro quality, he isn't Bosa or Watt, and we shouldn't expect him to be. When we are building our team, our defense, our scheme, our game-plans, I think you have to realize he is an above average to good starter, and probably nothing more, and build around that. If we are banking on him to be more impactful than he can be, we will end up disappointed yet again.

100% gotta be honest. He definitely fell off at the end of the year. Is that due to ACL recovery or who he is? Not sure yet. My expectations for next year are that he is more impactful.

I want the next D-Coord to use our EDGE guys with a hand in the dirt. I feel like Gary, LVN, and Smith all are way better suited to a three-point stance than standing up, that their game as power-rushers works way better when you attack the OL from the former rather than the latter position.

up/down isn't what makes a edge rusher affective, it's the ability to shed,, recover and close jmo

Labrev wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2024 09:57

I want the next D-Coord to use our EDGE guys with a hand in the dirt. I feel like Gary, LVN, and Smith all are way better suited to a three-point stance than standing up, that their game as power-rushers works way better when you attack the OL from the former rather than the latter position.

It depends on the player. I think more defenses should put their EDGE rushers in a position they are most comfortable in. 3 point has the advantage of leverage and first step power, but it does lack in use of hands and vision. Some guys can't transition from 3 point to using their hands very well, which can put them in a bad spot. The ability to do either effectively, especially with our bigger EDGE guys would definitely be a benefit.

Gary Gang down bad right now

Drj820 wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2024 10:23

Gary Gang down bad right now

according to Mike Smith, edge rusher is a grooming position,

Does Mike Smith know what a blitzer is?

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2024 10:17

Labrev wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2024 09:57

I want the next D-Coord to use our EDGE guys with a hand in the dirt. I feel like Gary, LVN, and Smith all are way better suited to a three-point stance than standing up, that their game as power-rushers works way better when you attack the OL from the former rather than the latter position.

It depends on the player. I think more defenses should put their EDGE rushers in a position they are most comfortable in. 3 point has the advantage of leverage and first step power, but it does lack in use of hands and vision. Some guys can't transition from 3 point to using their hands very well, which can put them in a bad spot. The ability to do either effectively, especially with our bigger EDGE guys would definitely be a benefit.

Exactly! It depends on the individual.

Ringo must be head of the selection committee.

new QB
youngest team in the league
youngest receiver group in the league
overtly stubborn DC
depleted secondary
inconsistent Kicker.

and still took the team to the playoffs with a win over 2nd rated team in conference.

seems if your going to win this ya need player awards to boot ya over the top.

I'm reserving judgement on Gary until I see him with a better DC.

What if Gary consistently gets "only" 9 sacks per year going forward?

Would we gripe that he doesn't get 10+ and rank amoung the "giants" at Edge?

I'm looking at the whole thing. I do think that he gets more pressures than the majority. And if he gets the 9 sacks/year, that all adds up. He holds the edge against the run better than Zadarius did.

Maybe he isn't elite. But pretty good is still pretty good. I think he will be fine.

Scott4Pack wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2024 17:40

What if Gary consistently gets "only" 9 sacks per year going forward?

Would we gripe that he doesn't get 10+ and rank amoung the "giants" at Edge?

I'm looking at the whole thing. I do think that he gets more pressures than the majority. And if he gets the 9 sacks/year, that all adds up. He holds the edge against the run better than Zadarius did.

Maybe he isn't elite. But pretty good is still pretty good. I think he will be fine.

I wouldn’t complain about that if he played the run better. Brandon Graham hot double digit sacks once but he was the definition of a total player on the edge by stopping the run and forcing pressures.

Gary was downright awful this year containing QBs and stopping the run.