Super Bowl Thread

[Yoop]

You missed nothing.

really????? there were some great commercials plus did you miss '" pass rush wins championship" segment that lasted for 60 minutes, to me that was one of the best examples of it seen in years, maybe since the 2011 Giants.

to me, in this era of uptempo, the only defense that can win a championship, are the ones that can intimidate the QB with a steller game-changing pass rush, Mahomes was under duress on every play.

We need to emulate the Eagles, bring aboard both Garrett and Crosby

[Pckfn23]

Wait, I thought coverage was key...

[go pak go]

Wait, I thought coverage was key...

pass rush only wins 40% of the time.

[Yoop]

Wait, I thought coverage was key...

it was, and still is much of the time, unless you can emulate a pass rush as good as you saw last night

[go pak go]

Wait, I thought coverage was key...

it was, and still is much of the time, unless you can emulate a pass rush as good as you saw last night

The Eagles have a great front 7. That being said, their performance was an outlier of their season. I mean they are good but yesterday they were above their normal performance.

Similar to the performance the Packers did on Thanksgiving in 2023. Every now and again you will just have those games where everything clicks. Ovearll the best roster won the SB this year which I am okay with. The Eagles had the best followed by Detroit in a close second IMO.

I also don't think the Packers are far away which is encouraging.

[Papa John]

Chiefs are 3rd worst in yards per carry on the ground. They are 11th worst in total rushing yards.

Hunt had the 31st most rushing yards in the league and a 3.6 yard average. The worst average among the top 50 rushing leaders. Pacheco wasn't much better at 3.7.

So the question then, in my mind, is this. If you are the Eagles, how do you exploit this weakness to the extent that it tilts the game in your favor? Does it allow you to add an extra DB on most plays to defend against the pass (which will be useful against Mahomes)? Perma-spy Mahomes with a linebacker? Move your linebackers closer to the edge of the box so as to shut down the sideline throws? If you are the Eagles, there has to be some way to take advantage of this. Will it yield a game-changing result? IDK. Having one of the best QB's of all time can mask some deficiencies, I'd imagine.

As I mentioned in the other thread, ANY AND ALL WEAKNESSES WILL BE EXPOSED. The Chiefs could not run the ball. You think if they had a viable running game that the Eagles pass rush would have been as lethal as it was yesterday? I don't- not for a second. 23 and I identified this issue a week before the game. Now we I deserve recognition.

[Yoop]

Wait, I thought coverage was key...

it was, and still is much of the time, unless you can emulate a pass rush as good as you saw last night

The Eagles have a great front 7. That being said, their performance was an outlier of their season. I mean they are good but yesterday they were above their normal performance.

Similar to the performance the Packers did on Thanksgiving in 2023. Every now and again you will just have those games where everything clicks. Ovearll the best roster won the SB this year which I am okay with. The Eagles had the best followed by Detroit in a close second IMO.

I also don't think the Packers are far away which is encouraging.

Did you mean are not far away as a team, or ability to rush the passer? if the later I disagree, they get more out of less than we have the entire year, we've only had great pass rush when we bring 5 rushers, Philly gets it with just 4.

I still contend that Pass rush is what wins Championships, but it's hard to acquire the players that can make it happen, just look at all the DL players we've drafted, Raji, Clark, and Mathews are the only standouts since 2008, it's why I prefer to buy DL talent versus drafting them

[Yoop]

Chiefs are 3rd worst in yards per carry on the ground. They are 11th worst in total rushing yards.

Hunt had the 31st most rushing yards in the league and a 3.6 yard average. The worst average among the top 50 rushing leaders. Pacheco wasn't much better at 3.7.

So the question then, in my mind, is this. If you are the Eagles, how do you exploit this weakness to the extent that it tilts the game in your favor? Does it allow you to add an extra DB on most plays to defend against the pass (which will be useful against Mahomes)? Perma-spy Mahomes with a linebacker? Move your linebackers closer to the edge of the box so as to shut down the sideline throws? If you are the Eagles, there has to be some way to take advantage of this. Will it yield a game-changing result? IDK. Having one of the best QB's of all time can mask some deficiencies, I'd imagine.

As I mentioned in the other thread, ANY AND ALL WEAKNESSES WILL BE EXPOSED. The Chiefs could not run the ball. You think if they had a viable running game that the Eagles pass rush would have been as lethal as it was yesterday? I don't- not for a second. 23 and I identified this issue a week before the game. Now we I deserve recognition.

the biggest issues was the Chiefs had to play catch up ball, which played right into the strength of the Philly defense, pass rush, Pilly got outstanding pressure from just there front 4, which allowed them a extra coverage defender, as well as a player off ball to stop any big runs, recognition granted

[Pckfn23]

Chiefs are 3rd worst in yards per carry on the ground. They are 11th worst in total rushing yards.

Hunt had the 31st most rushing yards in the league and a 3.6 yard average. The worst average among the top 50 rushing leaders. Pacheco wasn't much better at 3.7.

So the question then, in my mind, is this. If you are the Eagles, how do you exploit this weakness to the extent that it tilts the game in your favor? Does it allow you to add an extra DB on most plays to defend against the pass (which will be useful against Mahomes)? Perma-spy Mahomes with a linebacker? Move your linebackers closer to the edge of the box so as to shut down the sideline throws? If you are the Eagles, there has to be some way to take advantage of this. Will it yield a game-changing result? IDK. Having one of the best QB's of all time can mask some deficiencies, I'd imagine.

As I mentioned in the other thread, ANY AND ALL WEAKNESSES WILL BE EXPOSED. The Chiefs could not run the ball. You think if they had a viable running game that the Eagles pass rush would have been as lethal as it was yesterday? I don't- not for a second. 23 and I identified this issue a week before the game. Now we I deserve recognition.

It wasn't the lack of a running game that doomed the Chiefs last night.

[go pak go]

it was, and still is much of the time, unless you can emulate a pass rush as good as you saw last night

The Eagles have a great front 7. That being said, their performance was an outlier of their season. I mean they are good but yesterday they were above their normal performance.

Similar to the performance the Packers did on Thanksgiving in 2023. Every now and again you will just have those games where everything clicks. Ovearll the best roster won the SB this year which I am okay with. The Eagles had the best followed by Detroit in a close second IMO.

I also don't think the Packers are far away which is encouraging.

Did you mean are not far away as a team, or ability to rush the passer? if the later I disagree, they get more out of less than we have the entire year, we've only had great pass rush when we bring 5 rushers, Philly gets it with just 4.

I still contend that Pass rush is what wins Championships, but it's hard to acquire the players that can make it happen, just look at all the DL players we've drafted, Raji, Clark, and Mathews are the only standouts since 2008, it's why I prefer to buy DL talent versus drafting them

Primarily as a team. DB, pass rush and WR with help on bolstering Oline. Frankly we have a lot of resources that filling 2 - 4 of these holes is very, very possible.

From a pass rush standpoint, we just need better performance from the players we have. I view most of our issues as a coaching issue as we have guys that have shown they can do it.

From a personnel standpoint, I do think we need a legit pass rusher. Gary is being used more and more as an early down player and he is doing well at setting an edge. Problem with this is he is gassed on 3rd long which is where you get most of the sacks. I noticed Brenton Cox played that spot more and more as the season went along which may be a reason why he get more splash plays.

I think we do need a legit pass rusher. It could be improvement from LVN, Cox, Gary, or an added player via the Draft, FA, or trade. I also think an interior guy would be a huge boost and frankly I think this is more just Wyatt being healthy but also there are so many players in the draft this year that a good guy will be available in day 2.

Finally, I believe most of our pressures and results were from 4 man rushes. It's just that Hafley got really creative in generating pressure with 4 as the players came from all over the board.

[Yoop]

The Eagles have a great front 7. That being said, their performance was an outlier of their season. I mean they are good but yesterday they were above their normal performance.

Similar to the performance the Packers did on Thanksgiving in 2023. Every now and again you will just have those games where everything clicks. Ovearll the best roster won the SB this year which I am okay with. The Eagles had the best followed by Detroit in a close second IMO.

I also don't think the Packers are far away which is encouraging.

Did you mean are not far away as a team, or ability to rush the passer? if the later I disagree, they get more out of less than we have the entire year, we've only had great pass rush when we bring 5 rushers, Philly gets it with just 4.

I still contend that Pass rush is what wins Championships, but it's hard to acquire the players that can make it happen, just look at all the DL players we've drafted, Raji, Clark, and Mathews are the only standouts since 2008, it's why I prefer to buy DL talent versus drafting them

Primarily as a team. DB, pass rush and WR with help on bolstering Oline. Frankly we have a lot of resources that filling 2 - 4 of these holes is very, very possible.

From a pass rush standpoint, we just need better performance from the players we have. I view most of our issues as a coaching issue as we have guys that have shown they can do it.

From a personnel standpoint, I do think we need a legit pass rusher. Gary is being used more and more as an early down player and he is doing well at setting an edge. Problem with this is he is gassed on 3rd long which is where you get most of the sacks. I noticed Brenton Cox played that spot more and more as the season went along which may be a reason why he get more splash plays.

I think we do need a legit pass rusher. It could be improvement from LVN, Cox, Gary, or an added player via the Draft, FA, or trade. I also think an interior guy would be a huge boost and frankly I think this is more just Wyatt being healthy but also there are so many players in the draft this year that a good guy will be available in day 2.

Finally, I believe most of our pressures and results were from 4 man rushes. It's just that Hafley got really creative in generating pressure with 4 as the players came from all over the board.

I like your optimism, but when it comes to DL and Pass rushers I'am convinced that most after about slot 15 are gambles at best, and have been a huge waste of our resources, the hit rate is impossible to predict as well, IMHO we have to draft them, but relying on just that is a losers errand, and has been for years here, some positions are just much better after a player has been in the league for years and you can actually see that production, and DL is one of em.

LVN is a straight line power rusher, same with Gary (though he's better now, but not much), Clark looks like he has hit the wall, we'll see, Wyatt can't stay healthy, Brooks was a nice surprise, Wooden, blah, Cox etc, are breather players, we need a influx of instant production, not another pick that takes 3 years to groom into a 5 sack, 20 total pressure player.

I wont hang my hate on Robivich being our only problem, as you said Hafely became creative, but that still wasn't good enough, I disagree, our best pass rush is when we brought a 5th rusher or used an interior stunt with Cooper or another off ball defender, all season we saw our base 4 stymied.

we didn't see the Eagles or Fangio get cute with their pass rush, they brought the base 4, and drove that KC OL all over the place, it was like a tractor pull, one side had a tractor, the other a golf cart das wha imma taken bout

[go pak go]

Did you mean are not far away as a team, or ability to rush the passer? if the later I disagree, they get more out of less than we have the entire year, we've only had great pass rush when we bring 5 rushers, Philly gets it with just 4.

I still contend that Pass rush is what wins Championships, but it's hard to acquire the players that can make it happen, just look at all the DL players we've drafted, Raji, Clark, and Mathews are the only standouts since 2008, it's why I prefer to buy DL talent versus drafting them

Primarily as a team. DB, pass rush and WR with help on bolstering Oline. Frankly we have a lot of resources that filling 2 - 4 of these holes is very, very possible.

From a pass rush standpoint, we just need better performance from the players we have. I view most of our issues as a coaching issue as we have guys that have shown they can do it.

From a personnel standpoint, I do think we need a legit pass rusher. Gary is being used more and more as an early down player and he is doing well at setting an edge. Problem with this is he is gassed on 3rd long which is where you get most of the sacks. I noticed Brenton Cox played that spot more and more as the season went along which may be a reason why he get more splash plays.

I think we do need a legit pass rusher. It could be improvement from LVN, Cox, Gary, or an added player via the Draft, FA, or trade. I also think an interior guy would be a huge boost and frankly I think this is more just Wyatt being healthy but also there are so many players in the draft this year that a good guy will be available in day 2.

Finally, I believe most of our pressures and results were from 4 man rushes. It's just that Hafley got really creative in generating pressure with 4 as the players came from all over the board.

I wont hang my hate on Robivich being our only problem, as you said Hafely became creative, but that still wasn't good enough, I disagree, our best pass rush is when we brought a 5th rusher or used an interior stunt with Cooper or another off ball defender, all season we saw our base 4 stymied.

We did a ton of pass rush from CBs, ILBs, Safeties but still did it with 4. Our blitz rate was low but that doesn't mean we didn't send guys beyond the front 4.

Here are some facts:

Packers generated 45 sacks which is tied for 8th most. The Eagles had 41 sacks.
Packers were 16th in the league with Pressures Generated % at 22.1%. The Eagles were 17.9% which was 28th.
Packers blitzed on 17.3% of plays which is 2nd lowest. The Eagles were 19.1% which was 5th lowest.

[Papa John]

So the question then, in my mind, is this. If you are the Eagles, how do you exploit this weakness to the extent that it tilts the game in your favor? Does it allow you to add an extra DB on most plays to defend against the pass (which will be useful against Mahomes)? Perma-spy Mahomes with a linebacker? Move your linebackers closer to the edge of the box so as to shut down the sideline throws? If you are the Eagles, there has to be some way to take advantage of this. Will it yield a game-changing result? IDK. Having one of the best QB's of all time can mask some deficiencies, I'd imagine.

As I mentioned in the other thread, ANY AND ALL WEAKNESSES WILL BE EXPOSED. The Chiefs could not run the ball. You think if they had a viable running game that the Eagles pass rush would have been as lethal as it was yesterday? I don't- not for a second. 23 and I identified this issue a week before the game. Now we I deserve recognition.

It wasn't the lack of a running game that doomed the Chiefs last night.

Oh come onnnnnnn 23, you know it mattered. Maybe it wasn't the only factor that contributed to the KC loss, but it was significant. Look at these stats!

Patrick Mahomes 4 25 0 6.25
Kareem Hunt 3 9 0 3
Samaje Perine 1 8 0 8
Isiah Pacheco 3 7 0 2.33

Give yourself credit- you identified a glaring weakness in KC's game, a week before the game. That weakness exploited in a huge way. That Eagles pass rush turned in one of the best performances in Super Bowl history. No way they could have done that had KC had a viable rushing offense.

[Yoop]

Primarily as a team. DB, pass rush and WR with help on bolstering Oline. Frankly we have a lot of resources that filling 2 - 4 of these holes is very, very possible.

From a pass rush standpoint, we just need better performance from the players we have. I view most of our issues as a coaching issue as we have guys that have shown they can do it.

From a personnel standpoint, I do think we need a legit pass rusher. Gary is being used more and more as an early down player and he is doing well at setting an edge. Problem with this is he is gassed on 3rd long which is where you get most of the sacks. I noticed Brenton Cox played that spot more and more as the season went along which may be a reason why he get more splash plays.

I think we do need a legit pass rusher. It could be improvement from LVN, Cox, Gary, or an added player via the Draft, FA, or trade. I also think an interior guy would be a huge boost and frankly I think this is more just Wyatt being healthy but also there are so many players in the draft this year that a good guy will be available in day 2.

Finally, I believe most of our pressures and results were from 4 man rushes. It's just that Hafley got really creative in generating pressure with 4 as the players came from all over the board.

I wont hang my hate on Robivich being our only problem, as you said Hafely became creative, but that still wasn't good enough, I disagree, our best pass rush is when we brought a 5th rusher or used an interior stunt with Cooper or another off ball defender, all season we saw our base 4 stymied.

We did a ton of pass rush from CBs, ILBs, Safeties but still did it with 4. Our blitz rate was low but that doesn't mean we didn't send guys beyond the front 4.

I thought I acknowledged that, but obviously not clearly enough, anyway IMO, if ya stunt like that and drop a front line player, you still weaken coverage ability in order to increase pass rush, my/our goal should be to eliminate the need to be cute, but rather get great pressure from our base front 4 like the Eagles, that's was my point.
not to take anything away from Hafley, he did an excellent job creating the stunts and blitzes.

[Pckfn23]

As I mentioned in the other thread, ANY AND ALL WEAKNESSES WILL BE EXPOSED. The Chiefs could not run the ball. You think if they had a viable running game that the Eagles pass rush would have been as lethal as it was yesterday? I don't- not for a second. 23 and I identified this issue a week before the game. Now we I deserve recognition.

It wasn't the lack of a running game that doomed the Chiefs last night.

Oh come onnnnnnn 23, you know it mattered. Maybe it wasn't the only factor that contributed to the KC loss, but it was significant. Look at these stats!

Patrick Mahomes 4 25 0 6.25
Kareem Hunt 3 9 0 3
Samaje Perine 1 8 0 8
Isiah Pacheco 3 7 0 2.33

Give yourself credit- you identified a glaring weakness in KC's game, a week before the game. That weakness exploited in a huge way. That Eagles pass rush turned in one of the best performances in Super Bowl history. No way they could have done that had KC had a viable rushing offense.

Call it a reason, sure, but it was far from the main reason the Chiefs lost last night. The Chiefs were down 17-0 before they recorded their 2nd rush of the game. Mahomes was sacked twice in that time. The Chiefs had a total of 3 rushes in the first half and were down 24-0 with 2 INTs(1 being a Pick 6) and 3 sacks. Without scoring on the opening possession of the 2nd half (running 1 time for 6 yards), the game was out of hand and they need to throw.

Their ground game was a detriment to their offense all year, but it wasn't a main reason they lost the Super Bowl. So no reason to pat one's own back.

[Yoop]

Primarily as a team. DB, pass rush and WR with help on bolstering Oline. Frankly we have a lot of resources that filling 2 - 4 of these holes is very, very possible.

From a pass rush standpoint, we just need better performance from the players we have. I view most of our issues as a coaching issue as we have guys that have shown they can do it.

From a personnel standpoint, I do think we need a legit pass rusher. Gary is being used more and more as an early down player and he is doing well at setting an edge. Problem with this is he is gassed on 3rd long which is where you get most of the sacks. I noticed Brenton Cox played that spot more and more as the season went along which may be a reason why he get more splash plays.

I think we do need a legit pass rusher. It could be improvement from LVN, Cox, Gary, or an added player via the Draft, FA, or trade. I also think an interior guy would be a huge boost and frankly I think this is more just Wyatt being healthy but also there are so many players in the draft this year that a good guy will be available in day 2.

Finally, I believe most of our pressures and results were from 4 man rushes. It's just that Hafley got really creative in generating pressure with 4 as the players came from all over the board.

I wont hang my hate on Robivich being our only problem, as you said Hafely became creative, but that still wasn't good enough, I disagree, our best pass rush is when we brought a 5th rusher or used an interior stunt with Cooper or another off ball defender, all season we saw our base 4 stymied.

We did a ton of pass rush from CBs, ILBs, Safeties but still did it with 4. Our blitz rate was low but that doesn't mean we didn't send guys beyond the front 4.

Here are some facts:

Packers generated 45 sacks which is tied for 8th most. The Eagles had 41 sacks.
Packers were 16th in the league with Pressures Generated % at 22.1%. The Eagles were 17.9% which was 28th.
Packers blitzed on 17.3% of plays which is 2nd lowest. The Eagles were 19.1% which was 5th lowest.

prwr Eagles 45%

PRWR Packers 33%

I totaled up the pass rusher pressures from our DL, if memory serves it was about 50, I bet the Eagles totals are over 100, our sack numbers are deceptive when you stand them up against pressures

your defending why we lost, we don't get pass pressure, QB's have all day to shred our secondary, and did so

[Raptorman]

Some over on FF suggested the Ravens would have given us a more competitive game last night than KC did.

Ravens or Bills for sure. Maybe this will put a tamper on Mahomes as the GOAT.

[Yoop]

Some over on FF suggested the Ravens would have given us a more competitive game last night than KC did.

Ravens or Bills for sure. Maybe this will put a tamper on Mahomes as the GOAT.

that loss had less to do with MaHomes play then it did the KC OL, Mahomes is still the goat, no one is perfect.

[go pak go]

I wont hang my hate on Robivich being our only problem, as you said Hafely became creative, but that still wasn't good enough, I disagree, our best pass rush is when we brought a 5th rusher or used an interior stunt with Cooper or another off ball defender, all season we saw our base 4 stymied.

We did a ton of pass rush from CBs, ILBs, Safeties but still did it with 4. Our blitz rate was low but that doesn't mean we didn't send guys beyond the front 4.

Here are some facts:

Packers generated 45 sacks which is tied for 8th most. The Eagles had 41 sacks.
Packers were 16th in the league with Pressures Generated % at 22.1%. The Eagles were 17.9% which was 28th.
Packers blitzed on 17.3% of plays which is 2nd lowest. The Eagles were 19.1% which was 5th lowest.

prwr Eagles 45%

PRWR Packers 33%

I totaled up the pass rusher pressures from our DL, if memory serves it was about 50, I bet the Eagles totals are over 100, our sack numbers are deceptive when you stand them up against pressures

your defending why we lost, we don't get pass pressure, QB's have all day to shred our secondary, and did so

Stop insinuating things. I didn't defend why we lost. I simply stated we aren't far away as a team.

Let's have an honest assessment of what happened here. The Eagles are very talented up front. That being said, they underperformed during the regular season (based on their talent) but did wake up in the postseason which is great on them. Also helped they had their big game on the largest stage so that is what everyone will now remember.

The Packers did not lose the playoff game because of our defense or our pass rush.

The Eagles scored 22 points. Of that, 7 points came on a turnover on the opening kickoff and the offense letting the ball go 3 other times (4 total turnovers). The Eagles did not shred our secondary. The Eagles had 121 yards passing. That couldn't be farther away from "shredding" our secondary.

The reason we lost was ball security, losing the turnover battle (4 to 0) and our offensive passing game generating absolutely nothing. Jordan Love had one of his worst days as a professional.

Yes we could add to our pass rush in any level of player. There needs to be improvement there. But we did not lose the playoff game because of lack of pass rush. We primarily lost for the same reasons we lost all our games this year - turnovers, penalties, and lack of passing attack.

[Pckfn23]

I totaled up the pass rusher pressures from our DL, if memory serves it was about 50, I bet the Eagles totals are over 100, our sack numbers are deceptive when you stand them up against pressures

your defending why we lost, we don't get pass pressure, QB's have all day to shred our secondary, and did so

Packers had 111 pressures from their defensive front. Eagles had 100 from their defensive front.