Packers Huddle

NCF wrote: ↑

29 Dec 2020 09:18

Even so, Sanders was a me first kind of guy. I get the sense that, despite the confidence and swagger, Jaire will always be a team first guy.

Ok, let's let him get through a contract negotiation before we make those evaluations

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

29 Dec 2020 10:30

NCF wrote: ↑

29 Dec 2020 09:18

Even so, Sanders was a me first kind of guy. I get the sense that, despite the confidence and swagger, Jaire will always be a team first guy.

Ok, let's let him get through a contract negotiation before we make those evaluations

Not looking forward to that 2023 offseason.

Jaire coming off that 5th year option, highest DB contract in NFL history, Elgton's contract expires, going to get the highest paid interior OL contract in NFL history and Savage and Gary both going to be jumping to their 5th year options. Keke and Sternberger could both be something.

Then also the big 4 FA's, Smith, Smith, Turner and Amos all unsigned too.

Then throw in Mason Crosby and Dean Lowry, if Dean isn't a starter, Keke is.

If you include those on 5th year options, that will be potentially unprecedented 10 starters.

And that also might be the year it finally makes financial sense to move on from Aaron.

BF004 wrote: ↑

29 Dec 2020 10:46

Not looking forward to that 2023 offseason.

Jaire coming off that 5th year option, highest DB contract in NFL history, Elgton's contract expires, going to get the highest paid interior OL contract in NFL history and Savage and Gary both going to be jumping to their 5th year options. Keke and Sternberger could both be something.

Then also the big 4 FA's, Smith, Smith, Turner and Amos all unsigned too.

Then throw in Mason Crosby and Dean Lowry, if Dean isn't a starter, Keke is.

If you include those on 5th year options, that will be potentially unprecedented 10 starters.

And that also might be the year it finally makes financial sense to move on from Aaron.

ding ding ding

BF004 wrote: ↑

29 Dec 2020 10:46

Not looking forward to that 2023 offseason.

jeez- do you have to post that comment in the Fun Feel thread...?

BSA wrote: ↑

29 Dec 2020 10:57

BF004 wrote: ↑

29 Dec 2020 10:46

Not looking forward to that 2023 offseason.

jeez- do you have to post that comment in the Fun Feel thread...?

But in a way, it helps, right?

It's a reminder that our window extends 1-2 more full seasons, and that we should enjoy this season now while it's happening and we don't even have to kvetch about the Rodgers-Love thing for another year or two.

I'm having fun exactly because I know that the 2023 contract situation on this team is going to force the start of a new era or new window (not necessarily with Love, but that we simply have too many elite players to keep beyond that--GOOD PROBLEMS TO HAVE)

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

29 Dec 2020 11:05

I'm having fun

me too.
What an amazing season for the Packer faithful and it seems like they are peaking at the right time

Just being reminded how freaking stacked this team is.

That sure feels fun to me.

Much better than the 2019 offseason where we had to make the big decisions of resigning... checks notes... Mercedes Lewis and restricted free agent Geronimo Allison.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

29 Dec 2020 11:05

BSA wrote: ↑

29 Dec 2020 10:57

BF004 wrote: ↑

29 Dec 2020 10:46

Not looking forward to that 2023 offseason.

jeez- do you have to post that comment in the Fun Feel thread...?

But in a way, it helps, right?

It's a reminder that our window extends 1-2 more full seasons, and that we should enjoy this season now while it's happening and we don't even have to kvetch about the Rodgers-Love thing for another year or two.

I'm having fun exactly because I know that the 2023 contract situation on this team is going to force the start of a new era or new window (not necessarily with Love, but that we simply have too many elite players to keep beyond that--GOOD PROBLEMS TO HAVE)

It also makes a case to start hoarding draft picks. I believe the Packers have 9, counting compensation picks.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

29 Dec 2020 10:47

BF004 wrote: ↑

29 Dec 2020 10:46

Not looking forward to that 2023 offseason.

Jaire coming off that 5th year option, highest DB contract in NFL history, Elgton's contract expires, going to get the highest paid interior OL contract in NFL history and Savage and Gary both going to be jumping to their 5th year options. Keke and Sternberger could both be something.

Then also the big 4 FA's, Smith, Smith, Turner and Amos all unsigned too.

Then throw in Mason Crosby and Dean Lowry, if Dean isn't a starter, Keke is.

If you include those on 5th year options, that will be potentially unprecedented 10 starters.

And that also might be the year it finally makes financial sense to move on from Aaron.

ding ding ding

I mean, of course, it's scary that far out, but our plight will be supplemented by three draft classes heading into 2023 so I imagine many of those things will just work themselves out naturally. Obviously, any core player you do the deal and keep. It's the Packers way. But, if that is the first year post-Aaron, I wouldn't mind letting some of those guys walk that year and save for the build up back to the top. Let's say Love takes over, takes his lumps, and then shows he is the future and we extend him. I would rather, then, build the team around him rather than playing on a 1-2 year window with all those 2023 re-signings. Long, long way away and every decision is not made in a vacuum, but I think a QB transition year is the perfect time to let some of those guys walk and take the comp picks.

NCF wrote: ↑

29 Dec 2020 12:55

it's scary that far out, but our plight will be supplemented by three draft classes heading into 2023

The new TV deals will be signed between now and then and that's a massive boost to the salary cap. 2021 will be an off year, but 2022 and 2023 should return to $10M + increases in available spending. Its likley to be even larger cap growth given the streaming, gambling and 17th reg season game adding to the league's revenue.

Which brings us back to that Fun Feel...

BSA wrote: ↑

29 Dec 2020 13:10

NCF wrote: ↑

29 Dec 2020 12:55

it's scary that far out, but our plight will be supplemented by three draft classes heading into 2023

The new TV deals will be signed between now and then and that's a massive boost to the salary cap. 2021 will be an off year, but 2022 and 2023 should return to $10M + increases in available spending. Its likley to be even larger cap growth given the streaming, gambling and 17th reg season game adding to the league's revenue.

Which brings us back to that Fun Feel...

While very, very true, our lack of pressure to get deals done prior to that means we are going to be paying a lot of top of the market deals all at once rather than spreading it out. The deals get bigger, but % to cap largely remains the same. I guess we could get Jaire done a year early or Elgton and realize some discount, but as others have already pointed out, I expect some of these guys to get absolute top of the market deals. They have earned them, so far.

Christo wrote: ↑

29 Dec 2020 11:34

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

29 Dec 2020 11:05

BSA wrote: ↑

29 Dec 2020 10:57

jeez- do you have to post that comment in the Fun Feel thread...?

But in a way, it helps, right?

It's a reminder that our window extends 1-2 more full seasons, and that we should enjoy this season now while it's happening and we don't even have to kvetch about the Rodgers-Love thing for another year or two.

I'm having fun exactly because I know that the 2023 contract situation on this team is going to force the start of a new era or new window (not necessarily with Love, but that we simply have too many elite players to keep beyond that--GOOD PROBLEMS TO HAVE)

It also makes a case to start hoarding draft picks. I believe the Packers have 9, counting compensation picks.

I think 10 picks, maybe 11. Should be a 4th for Blake, Bulaga should be capped at a 5th under the Alan Faneca rule, and a 6th for Kyler.

Then maybe a 7th for BJ Goodson, depending on if they count Devin Funchess or not in the formula.


Interesting 2021 factoid. Carolina does not own their 7th round pick which goes to Buffalo, which is the result of a 2018 'future conditional draft pick' trade for Marshall Newhouse.

BF004 wrote: ↑

29 Dec 2020 13:25

Christo wrote: ↑

29 Dec 2020 11:34

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

29 Dec 2020 11:05

But in a way, it helps, right?

It's a reminder that our window extends 1-2 more full seasons, and that we should enjoy this season now while it's happening and we don't even have to kvetch about the Rodgers-Love thing for another year or two.

I'm having fun exactly because I know that the 2023 contract situation on this team is going to force the start of a new era or new window (not necessarily with Love, but that we simply have too many elite players to keep beyond that--GOOD PROBLEMS TO HAVE)

It also makes a case to start hoarding draft picks. I believe the Packers have 9, counting compensation picks.

I think 10 picks, maybe 11. Should be a 4th for Blake, Bulaga should be capped at a 5th under the Alan Faneca rule, and a 6th for Kyler.

Then maybe a 7th for BJ Goodson, depending on if they count Devin Funchess or not in the formula.


Interesting 2021 factoid. Carolina does not own their 7th round pick which goes to Buffalo, which is the result of a 2018 'future conditional draft pick' trade for Marshall Newhouse.

I wonder how these players who opted out count against the teams they are under contract to? Take the Packers for intense, Funchess chose not to play, yet did still receive some money, not all. Is he still under contract to the Packers for next year?
I can't say I've followed the details of the deal the league and the players worked out.

As for Marshall Newhouse, is he still in the league? If so, he's gotta be pushing 10 years now.

I believe Funchess maybe only got a signing bonus.

All workout, roster, game bonuses and salaries simlply just carry over to next year.

So I think the Packers could probably release him with zero 2021 cap as the initial signing bonus already counted to 2020.

I could be wrong on the last part, but the contract simply just simply skips a year and remains as it was.

Christo wrote: As for Marshall Newhouse, is he still in the league? If so, he's gotta be pushing 10 years now.

Matter-o-fact, Newhouse plays for the Titans. I saw him on a pre-game camera snippet walking back out of the tunnel and thought...no way he’s still in league. Looked up their roster and had an “ I’ll be damned” moment.

APB wrote: ↑

29 Dec 2020 19:55

Christo wrote: As for Marshall Newhouse, is he still in the league? If so, he's gotta be pushing 10 years now.

Matter-o-fact, Newhouse plays for the Titans. I saw him on a pre-game camera snippet walking back out of the tunnel and thought...no way he’s still in league. Looked up their roster and had an “ I’ll be damned” moment.

10 years, 9 teams, 81 career starts. Started 9 games for the Pats last year. Journeyman through and through.

Never imagined Newhouse would have this kind of a career. Other TT OL also have had some unexpected careers elsewhere: Giacomini, Barbre and Meredith. Colledge and even Tony Moll had multiple years elsewhere.

BTW, 2007 7th round LS Clark Harris is still going, may outlast AR and Crosby as longest NFL career for a TT draft pick .

salmar80 wrote: ↑

29 Dec 2020 20:12

APB wrote: ↑

29 Dec 2020 19:55

Christo wrote: As for Marshall Newhouse, is he still in the league? If so, he's gotta be pushing 10 years now.

Matter-o-fact, Newhouse plays for the Titans. I saw him on a pre-game camera snippet walking back out of the tunnel and thought...no way he’s still in league. Looked up their roster and had an “ I’ll be damned” moment.

10 years, 9 teams, 81 career starts. Started 9 games for the Pats last year. Journeyman through and through.

Never imagined Newhouse would have this kind of a career. Other TT OL also have had some unexpected careers elsewhere: Giacomini, Barbre and Meredith. Colledge and even Tony Moll had multiple years elsewhere.

BTW, 2007 7th round LS Clark Harris is still going, may outlast AR and Crosby as longest NFL career for a TT draft pick .

I'll say this for the guy, he's going to get a nice pension. And good for him. I know he was on the Patriots for awhile, did he win a ring?
Also, didn't Colledge go into the military after football?

Christo wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2020 10:14

salmar80 wrote: ↑

29 Dec 2020 20:12

APB wrote: ↑

29 Dec 2020 19:55

Matter-o-fact, Newhouse plays for the Titans. I saw him on a pre-game camera snippet walking back out of the tunnel and thought...no way he’s still in league. Looked up their roster and had an “ I’ll be damned” moment.

10 years, 9 teams, 81 career starts. Started 9 games for the Pats last year. Journeyman through and through.

Never imagined Newhouse would have this kind of a career. Other TT OL also have had some unexpected careers elsewhere: Giacomini, Barbre and Meredith. Colledge and even Tony Moll had multiple years elsewhere.

BTW, 2007 7th round LS Clark Harris is still going, may outlast AR and Crosby as longest NFL career for a TT draft pick .

I'll say this for the guy, he's going to get a nice pension. And good for him. I know he was on the Patriots for awhile, did he win a ring?
Also, didn't Colledge go into the military after football?

I don't think he did. He had a cup of coffee with the Pats in 2019, but that was his only season there.

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I just want to say, I am totally in love with being a Packers fan this year.

The bond between Rodgers and Davante has been so awesome, obviously on the field, but listening to them talk about each other off it, as well. Like Rodgers said that one of the most meaningful parts of his Christmas was being able to get Davante his gift with a "long note" about how much he means to him as a friend, as a human, as a teammate. ADORABLE!

Not to mention Rodgers talking about first really noticing Adams in his rookie year when they played the keep-away from Sherman game with Jordy on the left the whole game. Rodgers said in the film sessions after that game, he noticed, hey, this kid is running great routes against the best CB in the league and was actually open more than expected.

Watching Allen Lazard run over with AJ Dillon to help him on his second Lambeau Leap like AJ was his son riding a bike without training wheels for the first time was priceless.

Listening to the RBs talk about the RB room, now Dillon but always Jones and Jamaal. Such a great group of guys; I'm genuinely going to miss rooting for them.

Hearing MLF talk about how he makes sure to point out the guys who make the plays happen without getting the stats to keep everyone satisfied when Adams is getting all the targets--MVS taking the top off the D, Lazard clearing the way on a run block, etc... making a real team success apparent and making sure guys are rewarded and praised for their 1/11th

Watching Jaire turn from promising to pro bowler before our eyes

This has been a really special year. The team is enjoying themselves as much as I am as a fan. And I'm so happy about all of it.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2020 11:09

I just want to say, I am totally in love with being a Packers fan this year.

I think you speak for everyone here, some of us just aren't as vocal about it, and for various reasons, I know for me, it's this Packers team that perks me up each week, I dread bye weeks, and I really hate night time games, I just can't seem to stay awake between supper and 8:30, heck I was lucky that I woke up at 8:20 for the Titans game, forgot to set my machine to record the game, and there fore can't argue with anyone concerning aspects of it, cept we played really well ( Barnes had 7 tackles, McGinn is blind as a bat)