Pick 22: The Packers Are On the Clock

[PackerNation]

The Saints have picks 16 and 19. You aren't getting a better QB at 16 than 19. They can get the same QB at either spot, if a QB is what they are after.

Loomis has Winston and Dalton on the roster for a reason. This QB draft class has zero QBs that are elite talents. This is not the year to draft a QB in the first round.

Maybe they do take a QB with one of those first round picks. Doesn't mean they aren't highly interested in Olave. More signs lead to Olave than anything else.

[paco]

The Saints have picks 16 and 19. You aren't getting a better QB at 16 than 19. They can get the same QB at either spot, if a QB is what they are after.

Loomis has Winston and Dalton on the roster for a reason. This QB draft class has zero QBs that are elite talents. This is not the year to draft a QB in the first round.

Maybe they do take a QB with one of those first round picks. Doesn't mean they aren't highly interested in Olave. More signs lead to Olave than anything else.

Another trade, obviously.

Dalton, he doesn't matter.

Jameis' deal is for 1 years, 2 years max.

This is your opinion. The Saint may actually really like a QB. In fact, several teams are going to draft a QB in the first round. Several of them will go early. We'll see what happens, but that trade with Philly has all the hallmarks of the 1st step in another move. And you make big moves like that for QBs.

My prediction, they make another trade, grab a QB and let him sit for a year or two behind Jameis. Dalton is insurance and #2 this year. Don't worry, I always admit when I'm wrong. But I won't have to!

[PackerNation]

The whole point of the conversation is that the Saints are interested in Olave. Many have said Olave is one of the main reasons they made the trade in the first place. You said flat out that the Saints made the trade to get a QB. You implied it has nothing to do with Olave.

If the Packers want Olave they may have to move above 16. I don't even care about the Saints and a QB. I know for near fact that they are interested in Olave.

This is about the Packers getting Olave. The Saints are in the way.

[Yoop]

The whole point of the conversation is that the Saints are interested in Olave. Many have said Olave is one of the main reasons they made the trade in the first place. You said flat out that the Saints made the trade to get a QB. You implied it has nothing to do with Olave.

If the Packers want Olave they may have to move above 16. I don't even care about the Saints and a QB. I know for near fact that they are interested in Olave.

This is about the Packers getting Olave. The Saints are in the way.

I doubt Lafluer would be interested in Olave, true he offers a lot as a receiver, but he doesn't like to block, and even runs out of bounds rather then try to break a tackle, he fits a spread offensive scheme such as the SAints use versus Lafluers RPO stuff, the bubble screens, we do a bunch of stacked receivers, and WR blocking for each other is mandatory, so what do you do with a receiver with almost zero blocking skills when doing that stuff? you should read Andy Herman comments concerning Olave

[PackerNation]

@ Yoop...I don't like the quote feature on this fan forum.

I believe you may be thinking of Garrett Wilson when you say: "He doesn't like to block." I would like to see that quote from anyone on Olave. I am not saying he is a elite blocking WR, but he is quite capable, and Wilson will be a liability in that department.

I am not here to change your mind on Drake London, you think he is the bees knees, I am happy for you.

Saying you don't think LaFleur would like Olave is meaningless to me, and anyone else reading this. You have zero evidence of that. Yes, WRs need to at least be capable of blocking in LaFleur's offense. Olave is more than capable.

Can't wait for that 4.69 40 at London's pro-day that he keeps putting off. Oh, he is injured? That is why the delay? Injury prone too, I see.

You don't run at the combine because you want to be able to control things at your home base. In the NFL they don't let you choose the conditions where you feel the most comfortable to run the fastest. This raises red flags for me.

Matt LaFleur: "We need a guy with elite speed that can take the top off a defense." That is NOT Drake London.

Only time will tell who from this draft is added to the Packers WR room. I can think of 6 or 7 guys I'd want in that room over Drake London.

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[Yoop]

Saying you don't think LaFleur would like Olave is meaningless to me, and anyone else reading this. You have zero evidence of that. Yes, WRs need to at least be capable of blocking in LaFleur's offense. Olave is more than capable.

I'am not a mind reader, so I don't know what Lafluer thinks, I can only go by how he coaches, which is RPO's, uptempo stuff and a lot of stacked wr and bubble screens, which Olave will struggle in, and just go read the Andy Herman comments that NCF brought that are in the 2022 draft thread, you make it sound as though I'am making this stuff up, neither of the Buckeye boys block, Wilson make a effort, Olave hardly does, thats what Herman will tell you, thats what Buzz feed, and others say to.

London didn't test because of the ankle, and it sounds like people didn't expect him to, but he has all the tools to be a very good WR, we can get deep speed all the way through the first 3 rounds of this draft class, obviously not as polished as Olave or as ready to play, but a few have huge upside

[paco]

The whole point of the conversation is that the Saints are interested in Olave. Many have said Olave is one of the main reasons they made the trade in the first place. You said flat out that the Saints made the trade to get a QB. You implied it has nothing to do with Olave.

If the Packers want Olave they may have to move above 16. I don't even care about the Saints and a QB. I know for near fact that they are interested in Olave.

This is about the Packers getting Olave. The Saints are in the way.

Please know 1 thing about me. I say basically nothing in absolute. I take my stab but that's all. I'm not one who claims to know much of anything. So please relax, it's all in fun.

So....near fact hey? Do you have some sort of inside knowledge? Please share. Otherwise, yeah, I'm sure they are interested in him. I imagine just about every team has him on their draft board.

I stand by my guess that it's for a qb, but respect your thoughts that it's to get Olave.

[NCF]

The whole point of the conversation is that the Saints are interested in Olave. Many have said Olave is one of the main reasons they made the trade in the first place. You said flat out that the Saints made the trade to get a QB. You implied it has nothing to do with Olave.

I think the grand majority would tend to side with [mention]paco[/mention] on this one. At least most reports I have seen once the dust settled. You stated that many have said Olave is their. Who are these many? Also, just like paco said, I will not be shocked either way. QB makes sense and Olave is a really nice prospect. I just haven't seen the same reports that you have apparently seen and I am curious who is reporting this.

[Yoop]

The whole point of the conversation is that the Saints are interested in Olave. Many have said Olave is one of the main reasons they made the trade in the first place. You said flat out that the Saints made the trade to get a QB. You implied it has nothing to do with Olave.

If the Packers want Olave they may have to move above 16. I don't even care about the Saints and a QB. I know for near fact that they are interested in Olave.

This is about the Packers getting Olave. The Saints are in the way.

so you know what the Saints want by trading up, yet I havn't a clue what Lafluer wants in a WR, the guy relates how big guys that play BB learn leverage and how to position themselves to better win contested catches, and how Lafluer constantly stresses how his WR's have to be able to block, this stuff is common knowledge to anyone that follows the Packers, yet your convinced that pigeon holing a smaller receiver with almost none of those ability's is the guy that Matt would chose?

[BF004]

.I don't like the quote feature on this fan forum.

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[Yoop]

The whole point of the conversation is that the Saints are interested in Olave. Many have said Olave is one of the main reasons they made the trade in the first place. You said flat out that the Saints made the trade to get a QB. You implied it has nothing to do with Olave.

I think the grand majority would tend to side with @paco on this one. At least most reports I have seen once the dust settled. You stated that many have said Olave is their. Who are these many? Also, just like paco said, I will not be shocked either way. QB makes sense and Olave is a really nice prospect. I just haven't seen the same reports that you have apparently seen and I am curious who is reporting this.

"The grand majority would side with @ paco on this one."

The grand majority of what? The six people who post here? Sorry, but I couldn't care less what the "grand majority" here think.

I can read your words, but I am not here to agree with the majority. I get it, you want to agree more with the other 5 here than me. More power to you.

What was the reason to tell me that "the grand majority would side with paco?"

I find that completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.

knock off the non sense, we simply expressed our opinions, NO ONE HERE actually dislikes Olave, we simply have been pointing out why he doesn't fit the style of receivers GB has been drafting over the last 20 years, Olave is not physical, in fact he avoids physical contact when possible.

Wilson to a point is the same way, and even has a lower blocking score then Olave, you where right about that, difference is that Wilson attempts to try and Block, where the knock on Olave is that he doesn't.

when looking over the top receivers in this class none have a good blocking score, mostly because they weren't asked to block in the schemes they played in, so evaluators have to project those capability's based on the little they saw of it, and for Olave they talk about the lack of a physical nature in his game, how his idea of a block is to try and just get in the way, put himself in between the defender and his play partner, hows that going to work against say our ILB Campbell, or our SS Amos? they will blow through a block like that every time.

lastly, if you don't care about what the majority around here think, why did you come? we put out a welcome hand, and you snub us, as though your some football know it all, to funny where always hoping to welcome new members

Heres another article from several years ago about how we ask all receivers to play the slot and how that position would evolve under Lafluer.
https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2019 ... -cobb-matt

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[Yoop]

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so then your intent here is just to insult us if we wouldn't accept your narrow minded opinion, got it.

[PackerNation]

I've realized this is a group of 5 or 6 people that decided to disagree with whatever I say....and then say the majority disagrees with me. I don't care what the majority thinks. I find it odd that it was said here.

It's not worth my time. Nothing personal, it's just I have a busy life and little free time to kill. If I want to talk Packers football, this is the last place I would do it.

Best of luck to you all though!

OneTeamOneNation

PackerNation!

[Labrev]

Nothing personal, it's just I have a busy life and little free time to kill.

Give your client our regards.

[YoHoChecko]

I believe you may be thinking of Garrett Wilson when you say: "He doesn't like to block." I would like to see that quote from anyone on Olave. I am not saying he is a elite blocking WR, but he is quite capable, and Wilson will be a liability in that department.

Ummmmm, well, you asked.

Here's Andy Herman's scouting report clip in which he rants about how terrible Olave is as a blocker due both to lack of effort and lack of physical ability to actually not get run over by the corner, and how the only useful thing he does for the run game is run corners off the ball by faking a deep route.

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxc1MIeAjBTO ... i5w12jWqvr


But don't just take his word for it...

Dane Brugler over at The Athletic says only, under weaknesses:

able to stalk block and latch onto corners, but lacks the power to move or sustain his man

The Draft Network comments:

Olave’s functional strength could best be described as adequate. He’s not overly dominant in box-out situations nor when called upon as a playside run blocker—you’ll have more luck with having him run corners off the line of scrimmage and creating room that way.

The Bleacher Report scouting report adds:

NEGATIVES
— Lacks strength to consistently hold up in blocking.

Daniel Jeremiah's NFL.com profile mentions:

Weaknesses
- Lack of desired play strength could become a concern.
- Gets run through as run blocker.

Pro Football Network states:

At 6’1″ and 189 pounds, Olave’s game lacks physicality that could present problems for his NFL Draft stock. He doesn’t demonstrate a physicality in downfield blocking.

So can we at least agree that it is a widespread opinion across many evaluators and tape-watchers that Olave doesn't block well, gets run over by corners, and lacks physicality? Seems pretty universal.

[paco]

I've realized this is a group of 5 or 6 people that decided to disagree with whatever I say....and then say the majority disagrees with me. I don't care what the majority thinks. I find it odd that it was said here.

It's not worth my time. Nothing personal, it's just I have a busy life and little free time to kill. If I want to talk Packers football, this is the last place I would do it.

Best of luck to you all though!

OneTeamOneNation

PackerNation!

Shame. You came in here with some solid opinions and seemed like you could talk intelligently about stuff.

But you came in like a bull in a China shop. Spent no time to get to know anyone. Sure we've got horribly frustratingly hard headed folks in here. We're Packers fans!

If you have such thin skin, so be it. But maybe give it more than 1 day before storming off?

[RingoCStarrQB]

I've realized this is a group of 5 or 6 people that decided to disagree with whatever I say....and then say the majority disagrees with me. I don't care what the majority thinks. I find it odd that it was said here.

It's not worth my time. Nothing personal, it's just I have a busy life and little free time to kill. If I want to talk Packers football, this is the last place I would do it.

Best of luck to you all though!

OneTeamOneNation

PackerNation!

Shame. You came in here with some solid opinions and seemed like you could talk intelligently about stuff.

But you came in like a bull in a China shop. Spent no time to get to know anyone. Sure we've got horribly frustratingly hard headed folks in here. We're Packers fans!

If you have such thin skin, so be it. But maybe give it more than 1 day before storming off?

If there's anything some of us old timers can do to diffuse the situation ......... please feel free to ask.

Funny thing though ........ this new person hasn't had the honor and privilege to discuss Packers with the rest of us ........ yet. This is just skimming the surface so far ........

GO PACK GO!!

[Realist]

I've realized this is a group of 5 or 6 people that decided to disagree with whatever I say....and then say the majority disagrees with me. I don't care what the majority thinks. I find it odd that it was said here.

It's not worth my time. Nothing personal, it's just I have a busy life and little free time to kill. If I want to talk Packers football, this is the last place I would do it.

Best of luck to you all though!

OneTeamOneNation

PackerNation!

I was gonna warn you about the 5 or 6 thing. Sorry to see u go. I hang around to yank a chain or two.