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Re: Packers Mocks Around the Media
Posted: 12 Apr 2022 14:58
by Labrev
We're a one-gap, attacking defense now under Joe Barry.
I don't like Jones for us at DT. I would love the idea of it under our previous defenses, but not this one.
I had a similar problem with Ed Oliver a few years ago, but now we run a defense where I'd actually want him.
Re: Packers Mocks Around the Media
Posted: 12 Apr 2022 15:22
by YoHoChecko
Labrev wrote: ↑12 Apr 2022 14:58
We're a one-gap, attacking defense now under Joe Barry.
I don't like Jones for us at DT. I would love the idea of it under our previous defenses, but not this one.
I had a similar problem with Ed Oliver a few years ago, but now we run a defense where I'd actually want him.
You're unnecessarily pigeon-holing him. He isn't a plugger.
He had the 4th best 40, the 6th best vertical, the 5th best broad jump, at the combine among DL. He's just as quick and explosive as anyone else in the draft. There isn't a scheme he won't fit. That's what makes him so uniquely valuable. There are two in this draft and I'd love to have one.
Re: Packers Mocks Around the Media
Posted: 12 Apr 2022 15:24
by NCF
Labrev wrote: ↑12 Apr 2022 14:58
I don't like Jones for us at DT. I would love the idea of it under our previous defenses, but not this one.
Why? I think Jones can penetrate and play that style with the traits he has. I worry more about the one-gap guys that can't play the run. Every DC has things they like to do. Then you play a team like the Chiefs or other high powered offense and you need to do extra things to help your perimeter players. That's where another guy like Kenny Clark that can do everything becomes so valuable. You aren't sacrificing pass rush. You aren't sacrificing run defense. There are not many of those guys and in this class I think there are two. I think you can get the guys who are your true one-gap guys later on. There are more of those guys available and even if that is a preferred style, it does make us more one dimensional.
Re: Packers Mocks Around the Media
Posted: 12 Apr 2022 15:51
by Labrev
I will defer to your guys' judgment. I got the impression he was more of a plugger with just average rush ability.
But I think my general preferences at the position have changed. I liked Ed Oliver then, just thought he would be awful in our defense, preferred guys who can stop the run and let our LBs run free. Now I am more interested in the former than the latter. There's a place for other skill-sets, but I would try to play to the scheme.
If you guys can vouch for him, I'm cool with it, but yeah.
Re: Packers Mocks Around the Media
Posted: 13 Apr 2022 13:23
by NCF
Labrev wrote: ↑12 Apr 2022 15:51
I will defer to your guys' judgment. I got the impression he was more of a plugger with just average rush ability.
But I think my general preferences at the position have changed. I liked Ed Oliver then, just thought he would be awful in our defense, preferred guys who can stop the run and let our LBs run free. Now I am more interested in the former than the latter. There's a place for other skill-sets, but I would try to play to the scheme.
If you guys can vouch for him, I'm cool with it, but yeah.
Can we just take a quick second to recognize how not small Devonte Wyatt is and how not smaller Jordan Davis is. Good Lord.
Re: Packers Mocks Around the Media
Posted: 13 Apr 2022 13:25
by YoHoChecko
NCF wrote: ↑13 Apr 2022 13:23
Can we just take a quick second to recognize how not small Devonte Wyatt is and how not smaller Jordan Davis is. Good Lord.
I wish they hadn't cut the picture. There's a coach in (pretty sure) the same picture for the "regular guy" size reference.
Re: Packers Mocks Around the Media
Posted: 13 Apr 2022 18:38
by Labrev
NCF wrote: ↑13 Apr 2022 13:23
Can we just take a quick second to recognize how not small Devonte Wyatt is and how not smaller Jordan Davis is. Good Lord.
Yes we can! I'm unsure if Wyatt is legit or has McCargo Effect, but Davis is a true mountain of a man if I've ever seen it. All-in on him at 22.
Re: Packers Mocks Around the Media
Posted: 14 Apr 2022 06:19
by Yoop
read a comment the other day from some draft guy I'd never heard of that said Davis played most of last year at 365 lbs, barely played a 1/3 of the D snaps.
wondered if any one here heard that? thats concerning to me?
I like Wyatt, but I'll wait and take someone in the 3rd or 4th round
Re: Packers Mocks Around the Media
Posted: 14 Apr 2022 09:06
by Pugger
Realist wrote: ↑06 Apr 2022 10:13
BF004 wrote: ↑06 Apr 2022 08:33
APB wrote: ↑06 Apr 2022 06:42
Huh, $200 a year wouldn't be bad at all if we could get like 10 guys in on it.
Just get one person to cash in their packer stock.
I know you are trying to be funny but you can't cash out any of these shares. My father had 1000 shares (he bought a single share back in 1950 but after the team began to sell shares in 1997 in his single share turned into 1000 shares or votes) that was divided up between his 8 grandchildren last year after his death. Back in 1950 my father's father also purchased one share at that time and that certificate was given to me in 1985. Yes, I too have 1000 shares (or votes).
Re: Packers Mocks Around the Media
Posted: 14 Apr 2022 09:10
by Pugger
BF004 wrote: ↑06 Apr 2022 11:47
We have an edge turning 30 this year on a year to year contract and literally no one else other than Gary and you don’t think a first round pick on an edge isnt justified??
Especially given the success rate of day 2+ edges, you either get one early or your not likely to get a good one.
I think Gute is going to try to address EDGE and WR with those first 2 picks.
Re: Packers Mocks Around the Media
Posted: 14 Apr 2022 09:12
by Pckfn23
Re: Packers Mocks Around the Media
Posted: 14 Apr 2022 09:16
by Pugger
YoHoChecko wrote: ↑12 Apr 2022 12:38
ESPN did a 7-Round Mock by someone named Reid:
22. Green Bay Packers (via LV)
Chris Olave, WR, Ohio State
The Packers' philosophy of waiting until Day 2 to draft wide receivers will be put to the test. They haven't selected a first-round receiver since Javon Walker in 2002, and general manager Brian Gutekunst could nix the trend as Olave is too tough to pass up.
Olave is a smooth route runner whose strengths align perfectly with what Green Bay wants to execute on offense. He is a dynamic three-level threat who would quickly become a dangerous target with Aaron Rodgers.
28. Green Bay Packers
Travis Jones, NT, UConn
Jones has helped himself during the pre-draft process more than any other prospect. At 6-foot-4, 325 pounds, he can play 0- or 1-technique with success because of how stout he is against the run while providing juice as a pass-rusher to collapse the pocket.
Whether it's Gilbert Brown, B.J. Raji, Mike Daniels and now Kenny Clark, historically, the Packers' defense has been at its best when there is a rock-solid option along the interior. Jones brings that skill set.
53. Green Bay Packers (via LV)
George Pickens, WR, Georgia
The Packers are strict about their thresholds in the early rounds, but the 6-foot-3 Pickens has a lot of the prerequisites the team has looked for when drafting other receivers. Green Bay has to get a boundary receiver, and Pickens has some high-end traits.
59. Green Bay Packers
Trey McBride, TE, Colorado State
There are many directions the franchise could go here, but I'll project the best prospect available. McBride is an F tight end Green Bay could use from multiple platforms in the passing game.
92. Green Bay Packers
Alex Wright, EDGE, UAB
At 6-foot-5, 271 pounds, Wright is an edge rusher with upside who could play a specific role for Green Bay. He has flown under the radar during the pre-draft process, but don't count out him playing early and often as a rookie.
132. Green Bay Packers: Kellen Diesch, OT, Arizona State
140. Green Bay Packers*: Leon O'Neal Jr., S, Texas A&M
171. Green Bay Packers: Zach Tom, OL, Wake Forest
228. Green Bay Packers (via CHI/HOU): D.J. Davidson, DT, Arizona State
249. Green Bay Packers: Smoke Monday, S, Auburn
258. Green Bay Packers*: Cordale Flott, CB, LSU
Honestly pretty great
I too would love this but I can't see Olave lasting until #22 so if Gute likes him he may have to make a draft day deal to move up some more.
Re: Packers Mocks Around the Media
Posted: 14 Apr 2022 09:30
by Drj820
Yoop wrote: ↑14 Apr 2022 06:19
read a comment the other day from some draft guy I'd never heard of that said Davis played most of last year at 365 lbs, barely played a 1/3 of the D snaps.
wondered if any one here heard that? thats concerning to me?
I like Wyatt, but I'll wait and take someone in the 3rd or 4th round
its a little different at UGA than other places. That DL rotates a bunch of guys who will probably all play in the league once they graduate at different time. 1/3 of the snaps is probably on the high end for the rotation. There was no need to play the big boy every snap. It was better to have him firing at 100% when he was in there.
Re: Packers Mocks Around the Media
Posted: 14 Apr 2022 09:49
by Yoop
Drj820 wrote: ↑14 Apr 2022 09:30
Yoop wrote: ↑14 Apr 2022 06:19
read a comment the other day from some draft guy I'd never heard of that said Davis played most of last year at 365 lbs, barely played a 1/3 of the D snaps.
wondered if any one here heard that? thats concerning to me?
I like Wyatt, but I'll wait and take someone in the 3rd or 4th round
its a little different at UGA than other places. That DL rotates a bunch of guys who will probably all play in the league once they graduate at different time. 1/3 of the snaps is probably on the high end for the rotation. There was no need to play the big boy every snap. It was better to have him firing at 100% when he was in there.
thing is though we ask our best DL to play 2/3rds of the snaps, I get all the Love for a big athletic guy, but if that report is true Davis dropped 25 lbs to achieve those combine numbers, will he retain that weight or balloon back up, become gassed and a liability late in games when we need him.
again though, I have no idea if that report is true.
Re: Packers Mocks Around the Media
Posted: 15 Apr 2022 11:04
by YoHoChecko
Dane Brugler's 7-round mock is out and his Packers selections are lit, fam
I'm tired of all the formatting I keep doing, so I'll just lay it out:
22. Chris Olave, WR
28. Travis Jones, DT
53. Abraham Lucas, OT
59. Drake Jackson, EDGE
92. David Bell, WR
132. Alex Wright, beastly developmental EDGE
140. Marquise Hayes, OG
171. Eric Johnson, DL
7th. Jack Sanborn, LB
7th. Dallis Flowers, CB (only CB, not a nickel, worst part of this draft)
7th. Connor Heyward, TE/FB meh
Re: Packers Mocks Around the Media
Posted: 18 Apr 2022 09:48
by paco
For a top mocker last year, he doesn't seem to know the Packers all that well. Sure he's right about Watson, but not about Moore or Dotson being the other choices. And an off the ball LBer at 22? Not sure I see that happening.
https://www.4for4.com/2022/preseason/ry ... version-10
22. Green Bay Packers (from Las Vegas)
Quay Walker, LB, Georgia
Mock-based Positional Needs: WR, EDGE, OT, DT
There's been a lot of discussion around Green Bay's double-tapping wide receiver in the first round. That's always seemed improbable to me, and the recent addition of Sammy Watkins all but assures that won't be the case. Now, it's still a hole that needs to be filled, but I think they add to the defensive side of the ball with Quay Walker, an athletic off-ball linebacker who is terrific dropping into coverage. He's been a riser throughout the draft process because of his impressive 4.52 40-yard dash performance and leadership skills shown during the interview process.
Green Bay could elect to go receiver here. However, even with the Watkins addition, they need to add depth to the position, and there are numerous fits still on the board.
28. Green Bay Packers
Christian Watson, WR, North Dakota State
Mock-based Positional Needs: WR, EDGE, OT, DT
After scoring a 10 out of 10 Relative Athletic Score, Christian Watson has been trending up and is a viable trendy addition to the bottom of the first round discussion. At 6-foot-4 and 208 pounds, Watson's athletic profile fits the archetype Green Bay has focused on historically at the position. Therefore, I give him the edge over Skyy Moore or Jahan Dotson.
Re: Packers Mocks Around the Media
Posted: 19 Apr 2022 08:26
by paco
Another day, another mocker giving us Jahan Dotson. I will be legitimately surprised if we take him at all, much more so in the 1st round.
Re: Packers Mocks Around the Media
Posted: 19 Apr 2022 08:54
by Yoop
yep some of these mock drafts seem to lack any knowledge of player scheme fits for us, and those that do will put in any receiver that fits the MVS physical profile, Like Watson, Pickens, or Pierce and all 3 have question marks that have them with 2nd round grades, why is it that these people think we have years to coach up these players, we need more polished players that will be able to help us sooner
I still think Gute will either sit and take Burks, or move up for either Olave or Williams if they fall within range, Williams may not be ready till mid season for prime time, but he can still learn some plays while he recuperates, Olave will get the on the job training route, both can be huge contributors as we make a playoff run, hope at least one drops within trade range.
to me it makes a lot more sense to use our 2nd to trade up to get either of London at #15, Olave at #16, or even Burks #18 or where ever this guys has him slotted then to sit at #22 and Take Dotson a mostly slot type receiver.
Wyatt with slot 28 seems a solid pick.
Re: Packers Mocks Around the Media
Posted: 22 Apr 2022 02:40
by Scott4Pack
YoHoChecko wrote: ↑12 Apr 2022 14:16
NCF wrote: ↑12 Apr 2022 14:12
I think this is it for me, too. Get a premier player without trading up and then go to work. Although, the more we go along, the more I really like Travis Jones, as well.
Absolutely.
For me there's Jordan Davis, Travis Jones, and then you might as well wait until Day 3 for a DL. Either of those two present rare, rare traits and seem to have fallen into a draft class where, at least to the knowledge of the outside world, they're being ridiculously undervalued. These guys are Dexter Lawrence, Derrick Brown, Vita Vea, BJ Raji, Dontari Poe rare. Those guys were top 15 picks, mostly. Lawrence went 17th. The highest I'm seeing Davis is 12. The highest I'm seeing Jones is like 25.
Maybe we will see if Guty agrees. I hope he does. We can get help at the OLine later than round 1. And we can add a WR in rounds 1 and 2 (or at least one of them). If the old adage that “the game is won or lost at the line of scrimmage” still holds true, then there is a LOT of value in this pick.
Re: Packers Mocks Around the Media
Posted: 22 Apr 2022 02:44
by Scott4Pack
Yoop wrote: ↑14 Apr 2022 06:19
read a comment the other day from some draft guy I'd never heard of that said Davis played most of last year at 365 lbs, barely played a 1/3 of the D snaps.
wondered if any one here heard that? thats concerning to me?
I like Wyatt, but I'll wait and take someone in the 3rd or 4th round
That’s my concern about any “mountain” men. Do they stay healthy for a long career? Do they have the stamina (at least on defense) to play a lot of snaps?