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Re: Packers @ Eagles WC GDT: Sun., Jan. 12th, 3:30 PM CST
Posted: 12 Jan 2025 19:19
by Pckfn23
texas wrote: ↑12 Jan 2025 19:15
MLF had a bad game but there is zero reason for us to make a change at HC. He is the best HC I can remember us having. His scheme might be the best in the NFL. The fact is that Love has limitations as a QB that MLF needs to work around, and not only does he usually work around them, he puts us in a position to excel.
We were the 2nd youngest team of all time to make the playoffs (the youngest team being last year's Packers). Sloppiness is going to happen. And then you throw in the injuries at key positions and you get what we got today.
We definitely need to make some changes, but HC is not one of them. The WRs took a step backwards this year. The jury is still out on Love because, while he has a lot of great games, it is questionable whether or not he can put together 4 straight games without being a bonehead. He is sort of like Dak in Dallas, but better. Our championship blueprint with Love looks something like what SF has been doing: dominant defense, loaded offense, and a QB who can run the system well enough to get us there. Except Love is better than any QB SF has had, and he is a top 10 QB in this league all things considered (he just can't carry a team and still needs some coaching because he makes boneheaded decisions that cost us in key moments).
But ultimately I think what got us this year was youth/miscues and injuries. And refs. Those things got us today, and they got us in all of our losses this year. And while we were a good team, we were not a great team because we were not good enough to overcome those things. Watson was a big loss. Jaire sort of was too. And then of course during the game it was a bloodbath
Wonderful, well thought out post!
Re: Packers @ Eagles WC GDT: Sun., Jan. 12th, 3:30 PM CST
Posted: 12 Jan 2025 19:20
by go pak go
Papa John wrote: ↑12 Jan 2025 19:01
MY_TAKE wrote: ↑12 Jan 2025 18:53
Papa John wrote: ↑12 Jan 2025 18:48
Appreciate that. Everyone else is glad too, I know. But it's nice to see someone say it.
I was so angry last year. The reason was because weirdly were good enough to go to the Superbowl. We destroyed Dallas and I felt we gave it away to the niners and the Lions were not as good.
There seems to be a bigger difference this year where it seems that Philly, Detroit and MN all seemed better. I am upset we didn't improve more, the way we should have but as far as the actual games, we had a better chance last year. Its just how felt and feel.
Oh, believe me I know. I was saying the same thing. Many were of the mindset that we'd be back and have that same opportunity next year- like it was a given. This year hurts but last year hurt more, for this reason.
No No No.
Coming back is never a given. I figured last year was a huge wasted opportunity. We were the better team and lost.
Today wasn't as hard because we clearly weren't the better team. These type of playoff losses are easy on the heart. But 2011, 2014, 2020, 2021, 2023...those were brutal.
As for 2025, I think we have a lot of moving pieces right now. I can't say I'm calling us the favorites. There are a lot of question marks to be answered.
Re: Packers @ Eagles WC GDT: Sun., Jan. 12th, 3:30 PM CST
Posted: 12 Jan 2025 19:20
by williewasgreat
I have been quite critical about certain issues with the team this year. Especially making so many mental mistakes, including the coaches. But no team is perfect and it sounds like a number of people here expect this and have difficulty accepting anything less than perfection. I get quite pissed off when the Packers make so many mistakes like they did today (and most of the season). They are a flawed team and Philly was less flawed than us. However, I was pleased with the play of the defense and how hard Jacob’s played. We are several players shy of being able to go further in the playoffs. The coaching staff needs to take a hard look at how they operate and the lack of discipline on this team.
Re: Packers @ Eagles WC GDT: Sun., Jan. 12th, 3:30 PM CST
Posted: 12 Jan 2025 19:21
by Drj820
We don’t know that this team was good actually. Because they never beat any good teams. They made the 7 seed. They went 1-5 in division. They looked awful in the playoffs and went home early.
We know this team was average. We don’t know if they were good.
Re: Packers @ Eagles WC GDT: Sun., Jan. 12th, 3:30 PM CST
Posted: 12 Jan 2025 19:22
by wallyuwl
texas wrote: ↑12 Jan 2025 19:15
MLF had a bad game but there is zero reason for us to make a change at HC. He is the best HC I can remember us having. His scheme might be the best in the NFL. The fact is that Love has limitations as a QB that MLF needs to work around, and not only does he usually work around them, he puts us in a position to excel.
We were the 2nd youngest team of all time to make the playoffs (the youngest team being last year's Packers). Sloppiness is going to happen. And then you throw in the injuries at key positions and you get what we got today.
We definitely need to make some changes, but HC is not one of them. The WRs took a step backwards this year. The jury is still out on Love because, while he has a lot of great games, it is questionable whether or not he can put together 4 straight games without being a bonehead. He is sort of like Dak in Dallas, but better. Our championship blueprint with Love looks something like what SF has been doing: dominant defense, loaded offense, and a QB who can run the system well enough to get us there. Except Love is better than any QB SF has had, and he is a top 10 QB in this league all things considered (he just can't carry a team and still needs some coaching because he makes boneheaded decisions that cost us in key moments).
But ultimately I think what got us this year was youth/miscues and injuries. And refs. Those things got us today, and they got us in all of our losses this year. And while we were a good team, we were not a great team because we were not good enough to overcome those things. Watson was a big loss. Jaire sort of was too. And then of course during the game it was a bloodbath
I think you overestimate Love.
Re: Packers @ Eagles WC GDT: Sun., Jan. 12th, 3:30 PM CST
Posted: 12 Jan 2025 19:28
by Drj820
Team needs a real WR1
Re: Packers @ Eagles WC GDT: Sun., Jan. 12th, 3:30 PM CST
Posted: 12 Jan 2025 19:28
by lupedafiasco
I don’t think LaFleur is a bad offensive mind. But when you see a team fumble 1.1 times during the regular season, then they fumble 2 times in this game… they continued to commit dumb penalties. You don’t understand clock management evidenced by last week. You can’t seem to get you STs under control. They continue to fail every year under your leadership. Your challenges suck. Your 4th down conversion rate was not very good.
Sean Payton, and I know this forum hates him, went out with - rookie QB and probably more offensively limited as far as weapons go and led his offense just as far. Meanwhile we have a paid QB and RB and did just as much. I’m sorry but if your QB is paid. They need to carry. Or at least make it competitive. Love lost us this game and I don’t think LaFleur did him any favors with the game plan either. The runs were all into the strength of the Eagles DL.
Re: Packers @ Eagles WC GDT: Sun., Jan. 12th, 3:30 PM CST
Posted: 12 Jan 2025 19:33
by MY_TAKE
Drj820 wrote: ↑12 Jan 2025 19:28
Team needs a real WR1
That entire position needs help especially with what has happened injury wise lately.
Re: Packers @ Eagles WC GDT: Sun., Jan. 12th, 3:30 PM CST
Posted: 12 Jan 2025 19:34
by Pugger
go pak go wrote: ↑12 Jan 2025 18:59
Pugger wrote: ↑12 Jan 2025 18:50
wallyuwl wrote: ↑12 Jan 2025 18:30
I think LaCoach could win a SB with the right support. But will never happen with Gute and Love.
I don't think LaCoach is the answer either. This is his ceiling as a HC IMO.
I heard a lot of people say that about Andy Reid too.
But honestly even if this is his ceiling. It's a hell of a ceiling.
I don't think people appreciate just how hard and rare it is to win a SB.
It isn't about the SB. It is the fact the team never seemed to improve. We were making the same errors today that we made in September. Turnovers, dropped passes, poor time management and dumb penalties. By November the youth excuse was wearing thin.
Re: Packers @ Eagles WC GDT: Sun., Jan. 12th, 3:30 PM CST
Posted: 12 Jan 2025 19:36
by Pugger
williewasgreat wrote: ↑12 Jan 2025 19:02
lupedafiasco wrote: ↑12 Jan 2025 18:36
williewasgreat wrote: ↑12 Jan 2025 18:29
Did you even watch our defense play today? Obviously, you are biased in what you want to notice.
The defense played well. You know the offense can be physical too right? The offensive line got dominated today.
Jacob’s, Reed, Kraft, Brooks, Wilson and others were quite physical. Our OL is just not that good and once Jenkins left they were not able to replace him effectively. Losing our decent WRs really impacted us too.
You have to tip your cap to Philly's DL too. Love was running for his life a lot.
Re: Packers @ Eagles WC GDT: Sun., Jan. 12th, 3:30 PM CST
Posted: 12 Jan 2025 19:36
by Drj820
Personally I’m kinda giving love a pass this year. Started year with a knee injury, got dinged late in the year, receiver room was in and out and never really took a leap forward. Sophomore slumps are typical.
I won’t defend him, but I’m not making sweeping judgements just yet
Re: Packers @ Eagles WC GDT: Sun., Jan. 12th, 3:30 PM CST
Posted: 12 Jan 2025 19:37
by Pugger
Drj820 wrote: ↑12 Jan 2025 19:03
go pak go wrote: ↑12 Jan 2025 18:59
Pugger wrote: ↑12 Jan 2025 18:50
I don't think LaCoach is the answer either. This is his ceiling as a HC IMO.
I heard a lot of people say that about Andy Reid too.
But honestly even if this is his ceiling. It's a hell of a ceiling.
I don't think people appreciate just how hard and rare it is to win a SB.
I thought they called Green Bay “title town”
They do. We still have more titles than anybody else.
Re: Packers @ Eagles WC GDT: Sun., Jan. 12th, 3:30 PM CST
Posted: 12 Jan 2025 19:37
by MY_TAKE
If you want your team to win Super Bowls it helps if your QB plays like an MVP. Love is not there yet.
When Favre and Rodgers won SB's they played like MVP's
This isn't meant to Rip the hell out of Love. Its just to say he isn't there yet. He also needs a little more help.
Re: Packers @ Eagles WC GDT: Sun., Jan. 12th, 3:30 PM CST
Posted: 12 Jan 2025 19:41
by lupedafiasco
Shocker the Eagles improved more year to year. Everything they did was better than us.
We got Hafley, and credit to him who turned out to be a good coach but he isn’t Fangio. We got Jacobs but he isn’t even I. The same universe as Saquan. We got Bullard and Williams but that’s not even us the same stratosphere as Quinyon Mtichelll or Cooper Dejean. This game was lost in the off-season.
Im glad we have a backup OT though. Super useful.
Re: Packers @ Eagles WC GDT: Sun., Jan. 12th, 3:30 PM CST
Posted: 12 Jan 2025 19:41
by TheSkeptic
texas wrote: ↑12 Jan 2025 19:15
MLF had a bad game but there is zero reason for us to make a change at HC. He is the best HC I can remember us having. His scheme might be the best in the NFL. The fact is that Love has limitations as a QB that MLF needs to work around, and not only does he usually work around them, he puts us in a position to excel.
We were the 2nd youngest team of all time to make the playoffs (the youngest team being last year's Packers). Sloppiness is going to happen. And then you throw in the injuries at key positions and you get what we got today.
We definitely need to make some changes, but HC is not one of them. The WRs took a step backwards this year. The jury is still out on Love because, while he has a lot of great games, it is questionable whether or not he can put together 4 straight games without being a bonehead. He is sort of like Dak in Dallas, but better. Our championship blueprint with Love looks something like what SF has been doing: dominant defense, loaded offense, and a QB who can run the system well enough to get us there. Except Love is better than any QB SF has had, and he is a top 10 QB in this league all things considered (he just can't carry a team and still needs some coaching because he makes boneheaded decisions that cost us in key moments).
But ultimately I think what got us this year was youth/miscues and injuries. And refs. Those things got us today, and they got us in all of our losses this year. And while we were a good team, we were not a great team because we were not good enough to overcome those things. Watson was a big loss. Jaire sort of was too. And then of course during the game it was a bloodbath
Yeah, you are right. It is too early to fire the HC. And MLF probably understands that he made a really really stupid decision in playing Watson and he needs to instill discipline in Love and revamp the Oline. But MLF needs to understand that he is on a short leash now and another season like this should get him canned.
Re: Packers @ Eagles WC GDT: Sun., Jan. 12th, 3:30 PM CST
Posted: 12 Jan 2025 19:47
by Drj820
Bro needs to lay low until his son can secure any kind of bag
Re: Packers @ Eagles WC GDT: Sun., Jan. 12th, 3:30 PM CST
Posted: 12 Jan 2025 19:51
by TheSkeptic
MY_TAKE wrote: ↑12 Jan 2025 19:37
If you want your team to win Super Bowls it helps if your QB plays like an MVP. Love is not there yet.
When Favre and Rodgers won SB's they played like MVP's
This isn't meant to Rip the hell out of Love. Its just to say he isn't there yet. He also needs a little more help.
I beg to differ. Favre was adequate in the SB victory but Reggie White and Desmond Howard won that game. If you are expecting Love to ever be a MVP or Super Bowl MVP you are going to be disappointed. If the team is to win a SB with Love as QB, it is because of the D, not because of Love.
Re: Packers @ Eagles WC GDT: Sun., Jan. 12th, 3:30 PM CST
Posted: 12 Jan 2025 19:51
by Pugger
MY_TAKE wrote: ↑12 Jan 2025 19:37
If you want your team to win Super Bowls it helps if your QB plays like an MVP. Love is not there yet.
When Favre and Rodgers won SB's they played like MVP's
This isn't meant to Rip the hell out of Love. Its just to say he isn't there yet. He also needs a little more help.
Favre and Rodgers didn't play like MVPs in their second year starting either. Brett didn't win MVP until after 3 years starting. AR didn't win it until after
his third year starting. I doubt Love is of that caliber but if we surround him with enough talent we
can win with him.
Re: Packers @ Eagles WC GDT: Sun., Jan. 12th, 3:30 PM CST
Posted: 12 Jan 2025 19:59
by Drj820
Bich bichachio needs to be fired
Re: Packers @ Eagles WC GDT: Sun., Jan. 12th, 3:30 PM CST
Posted: 12 Jan 2025 20:06
by Cdragon
TheSkeptic wrote: ↑12 Jan 2025 19:51
MY_TAKE wrote: ↑12 Jan 2025 19:37
If you want your team to win Super Bowls it helps if your QB plays like an MVP. Love is not there yet.
When Favre and Rodgers won SB's they played like MVP's
This isn't meant to Rip the hell out of Love. Its just to say he isn't there yet. He also needs a little more help.
I beg to differ. Favre was adequate in the SB victory but Reggie White and Desmond Howard won that game. If you are expecting Love to ever be a MVP or Super Bowl MVP you are going to be disappointed. If the team is to win a SB with Love as QB, it is because of the D, not because of Love.
QB can get you to the post season, but the D needs to show up for the playoffs. Our D showed up, the O didn't. We need some CBs even if we can get another year out of Jaire. Get two FAs and hit on some draft choices.