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Young team? Sure, but Nixon fumbling the opening kickoff can’t be blamed on age. A missed FG can’t be blamed on age. Throwing 3 INT isn’t an age thing. Penalties? Yeah, ok, some of those were unfortunate young player mistakes, especially those thrust into the lineup due to injury, but the holding calls and missed blocks by your mainstay OLinemen aren’t age mistakes.
This team is so undisciplined, it’s sickening.
I don’t necessarily blame MLF. Yeah, part of it lies with him as part of being the HC but if it’s me, I blame the players themselves. They have got to grow the $%@# up.
This ain’t college anymore. This is your livelihood. Hold onto the ball. Block your guy. Throw to the open guy.
FFS, just play some competent football.
One thing I do lay at the feet of MLF: offensive play calling.
Love dropped back to pass 33 times and targeted a TE 5 times, all to Kraft. Nothing to Musgrave or any other TE. With the state of the WR corps, that’s unconscionable. WTF was he thinking? You ain’t gonna beat the No.2 seed passing to Heath and Wicks yet that seemed to be the pass game intent.
Whether that’s MLF or Stenovich, somebody needs to answer for that. How in the $%@# do you go into a game expecting your season-long underperforming WR unit to carry your offense on the road in a playoff game when you’ve got two mismatch TE threats at your disposal?
So disappointed with the offensive approach to this game. MLF had to know Philly would focus on Jacobs and they did. And his answer was to throw to his ever more depleted WR corps? WTF??
3 weeks ago we heard Matt say we didn't think the Vikes would use so much man coverage, when our situation at WR dictated they would.
this game it was obvious the Eagles were best at stopping the run between the tackles, most of Jacobs runs were between the tackles, why not attack them outside the tackles with screens to our TE's or Jacbs.
it's as though Lafleur is playing a mano against mano hoping to beat the defenses at what they do best, versus attacking the weakness, Philly doesn't have many, but it's sure frustrating to watch what appears as ineptitude.
our passing offense has sucked all year, same with clock management, we brought in some coaches to help Lafleur, IMHO everything got worse, maybe it's to many voice in the decision room, whatever, this stuff has become monotonous, every game we lost this year was complete underachievement, silly mistakes like Nixon head butting and fumbling opening KO, like Valentine trying to shoulder tackle Goddard, who coaches that stuff? it's as though there coaching themselves.
maybe it's time our HC fires some assistants. very frustrating loss
Nixon head butting? He got hit in the face with the helmet of the Eagle's player. I'm surprised he didn't get a concussion. IMO Philly should have been penalized for hitting a defenseless player for 15 yards. Instead they are rewarded the ball after Nixon recovered it. We got royally screwed on that play and we never really recovered from it.
Young team? Sure, but Nixon fumbling the opening kickoff can’t be blamed on age. A missed FG can’t be blamed on age. Throwing 3 INT isn’t an age thing. Penalties? Yeah, ok, some of those were unfortunate young player mistakes, especially those thrust into the lineup due to injury, but the holding calls and missed blocks by your mainstay OLinemen aren’t age mistakes.
This team is so undisciplined, it’s sickening.
I don’t necessarily blame MLF. Yeah, part of it lies with him as part of being the HC but if it’s me, I blame the players themselves. They have got to grow the $%@# up.
This ain’t college anymore. This is your livelihood. Hold onto the ball. Block your guy. Throw to the open guy.
FFS, just play some competent football.
One thing I do lay at the feet of MLF: offensive play calling.
Love dropped back to pass 33 times and targeted a TE 5 times, all to Kraft. Nothing to Musgrave or any other TE. With the state of the WR corps, that’s unconscionable. WTF was he thinking? You ain’t gonna beat the No.2 seed passing to Heath and Wicks yet that seemed to be the pass game intent.
Whether that’s MLF or Stenovich, somebody needs to answer for that. How in the $%@# do you go into a game expecting your season-long underperforming WR unit to carry your offense on the road in a playoff game when you’ve got two mismatch TE threats at your disposal?
So disappointed with the offensive approach to this game. MLF had to know Philly would focus on Jacobs and they did. And his answer was to throw to his ever more depleted WR corps? WTF??
3 weeks ago we heard Matt say we didn't think the Vikes would use so much man coverage, when our situation at WR dictated they would.
this game it was obvious the Eagles were best at stopping the run between the tackles, most of Jacobs runs were between the tackles, why not attack them outside the tackles with screens to our TE's or Jacbs.
it's as though Lafleur is playing a mano against mano hoping to beat the defenses at what they do best, versus attacking the weakness, Philly doesn't have many, but it's sure frustrating to watch what appears as ineptitude.
our passing offense has sucked all year, same with clock management, we brought in some coaches to help Lafleur, IMHO everything got worse, maybe it's to many voice in the decision room, whatever, this stuff has become monotonous, every game we lost this year was complete underachievement, silly mistakes like Nixon head butting and fumbling opening KO, like Valentine trying to shoulder tackle Goddard, who coaches that stuff? it's as though there coaching themselves.
maybe it's time our HC fires some assistants. very frustrating loss
Nixon head butting? He got hit in the face with the helmet of the Eagle's player. I'm surprised he didn't get a concussion. IMO Philly should have been penalized for hitting a defenseless player for 15 yards. Instead they are rewarded the ball after Nixon recovered it. We got royally screwed on that play and we never really recovered from it.
Nixon lowered his helmet right into that hit Pugger, he could have avoided the H to H hit, should have turned and led with his shoulder, or just let the kick go into the EZ and start at the 30 yrd line. that's why the refs didn't call it, what made it worse was the terrible call not to give Nixon the recovery though, plan to see he had control of that fumble
Last edited by Yoop on 13 Jan 2025 08:20, edited 1 time in total.
Take away how crappy the Packers played for a second....
It just makes you wonder if we could have actually won had the refs not botched the fumble recovery call at the very beginning of the game. Just so tough to recover from that on the road. That 7 point swing could have changed the entire landscape of the game considering how well our defense held up.
I'm not convinced the game was really all that close. Yeah that beginning sucked. But we kept turning the ball over and they had a 2 possession lead pretty much the entire game. Then we finally did do something, they swatted our defense off them like little children right down the field to go up by 2 scores again. and we lost by 12 with them giving up the last possession.
I said it before the game. This team fumbled the ball 1.1 times per game throughout the course of the season and it was getting worse as the season progressed. This was a sloppy team with no ball discipline all team and when you go against the best teams they will take advantage of that. Even in this game we fumbled another 2 times.
That really starts with the coaches preaching ball security and taking care of the ball. Im sure they did but whatever part about that message did not make it to the players. I just think there was a real lack of holding players accountable for their mistakes. But how can you hold players accountable when as a HC you dont understand basic clock management, simple analytics, or football tactics.
I said it before the game. This team fumbled the ball 1.1 times per game throughout the course of the season and it was getting worse as the season progressed. This was a sloppy team with no ball discipline all team and when you go against the best teams they will take advantage of that. Even in this game we fumbled another 2 times.
That really starts with the coaches preaching ball security and taking care of the ball. Im sure they did but whatever part about that message did not make it to the players. I just think there was a real lack of holding players accountable for their mistakes. But how can you hold players accountable when as a HC you dont understand basic clock management, simple analytics, or football tactics.
We hear a lot from coaches and players "we talked about that" related to any number of issues. But they don't PRACTICE these things.
I said it before the game. This team fumbled the ball 1.1 times per game throughout the course of the season and it was getting worse as the season progressed. This was a sloppy team with no ball discipline all team and when you go against the best teams they will take advantage of that. Even in this game we fumbled another 2 times.
That really starts with the coaches preaching ball security and taking care of the ball. Im sure they did but whatever part about that message did not make it to the players. I just think there was a real lack of holding players accountable for their mistakes. But how can you hold players accountable when as a HC you dont understand basic clock management, simple analytics, or football tactics.
We hear a lot from coaches and players "we talked about that" related to any number of issues. But they don't PRACTICE these things.
I heard they actually PRACTICED fumbling. No wonder!
Yes, we have heard how awful of a coach LaFleur is because... fumbles. It's about the 6th time in the last 24 hours...
In reality we took care of the football fairly well with 18 fumbles in the regular season, 10th fewest on the season. It definitely got worse as the season progressed. It was the least number of fumbles we have had since 2021, when we also had 18.
LaFleur most definitely deserves criticism for the handling of the latter half of the season. He did a masterful job in gameplanning for Malik Willis and got us through 3 games. However, when Love was in and healthy after the bye, the gameplan took a turn for the predictable. The concepts he had been known for and led to success last year, went out the window. That and the clock management guffaws are inexcusable.
He definitely needs to get back to the drawing board.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
3 weeks ago we heard Matt say we didn't think the Vikes would use so much man coverage, when our situation at WR dictated they would.
this game it was obvious the Eagles were best at stopping the run between the tackles, most of Jacobs runs were between the tackles, why not attack them outside the tackles with screens to our TE's or Jacbs.
it's as though Lafleur is playing a mano against mano hoping to beat the defenses at what they do best, versus attacking the weakness, Philly doesn't have many, but it's sure frustrating to watch what appears as ineptitude.
our passing offense has sucked all year, same with clock management, we brought in some coaches to help Lafleur, IMHO everything got worse, maybe it's to many voice in the decision room, whatever, this stuff has become monotonous, every game we lost this year was complete underachievement, silly mistakes like Nixon head butting and fumbling opening KO, like Valentine trying to shoulder tackle Goddard, who coaches that stuff? it's as though there coaching themselves.
maybe it's time our HC fires some assistants. very frustrating loss
Nixon head butting? He got hit in the face with the helmet of the Eagle's player. I'm surprised he didn't get a concussion. IMO Philly should have been penalized for hitting a defenseless player for 15 yards. Instead they are rewarded the ball after Nixon recovered it. We got royally screwed on that play and we never really recovered from it.
Nixon lowered his helmet right into that hit Pugger, he could have avoided the H to H hit, should have turned and led with his shoulder, or just let the kick go into the EZ and start at the 30 yrd line. that's why the refs didn't call it, what made it worse was the terrible call not to give Nixon the recovery though, plan to see he had control of that fumble
Go back and look at that play again, Yoop. Nixon never lowered his head. He got hit in the face from a helmet and fell backwards. I'd love to know how you feel he could have avoided that type of hit. If this was a NCAA game the Philly player would have been flagged for targeting. If he wasn't hit in the face like that he doesn't fumble either IMO. The officiating on that entire play was a bad joke. I do agree he never should have came out with the ball in that spot.
Nixon head butting? He got hit in the face with the helmet of the Eagle's player. I'm surprised he didn't get a concussion. IMO Philly should have been penalized for hitting a defenseless player for 15 yards. Instead they are rewarded the ball after Nixon recovered it. We got royally screwed on that play and we never really recovered from it.
Nixon lowered his helmet right into that hit Pugger, he could have avoided the H to H hit, should have turned and led with his shoulder, or just let the kick go into the EZ and start at the 30 yrd line. that's why the refs didn't call it, what made it worse was the terrible call not to give Nixon the recovery though, plan to see he had control of that fumble
Go back and look at that play again, Yoop. Nixon never lowered his head. He got hit in the face from a helmet and fell backwards. I'd love to know how you feel he could have avoided that type of hit. If this was a NCAA game the Philly player would have been flagged for targeting. If he wasn't hit in the face like that he doesn't fumble either IMO. The officiating on that entire play was a bad joke. I do agree he never should have came out with the ball in that spot.
I think we are looking at two separate views or camera angles, the 2nd video from this link from X shows Nixon just before the hit lower his crown of helmet into the hit, I agree had he not done that the refs may have called a penalty, either way they should have given him the recovery.
Nixon lowered his helmet right into that hit Pugger, he could have avoided the H to H hit, should have turned and led with his shoulder, or just let the kick go into the EZ and start at the 30 yrd line. that's why the refs didn't call it, what made it worse was the terrible call not to give Nixon the recovery though, plan to see he had control of that fumble
Go back and look at that play again, Yoop. Nixon never lowered his head. He got hit in the face from a helmet and fell backwards. I'd love to know how you feel he could have avoided that type of hit. If this was a NCAA game the Philly player would have been flagged for targeting. If he wasn't hit in the face like that he doesn't fumble either IMO. The officiating on that entire play was a bad joke. I do agree he never should have came out with the ball in that spot.
I think we are looking at two separate views or camera angles, the 2nd video from this link from X shows Nixon just before the hit lower his crown of helmet into the hit, I agree had he not done that the refs may have called a penalty, either way they should have given him the recovery.
I'm glad you showed me this. I suppose the way he fell backwards I assumed he was hit in the face. Perhaps he lowered his head to brace himself for the incoming hit? But the Philly player leading with his helmet is not without guilt either. The league professes to want to eliminate these types of actions but what can they call when both players do this?
I'm with you big time about the none recovery! Nixon recovered his fumble and should have been down by contact and play over. For some reason the zebras let the scrum commence and we got screwed.
Watching the game I couldn't help but feel like the two teams had a TON in common but we're just slightly behind them in most measures, which was disheartening.
Like, we both paid veteran RBs with both size and athleticism to be more physical and domineering in the run game. But they had the best in the league and we had like the 3rd or 4th best.
We both thrive with strong OL play but they had one of the 2-3 best in the league and we had one of the 5-6 best in the league.
We both changed our defensive scheme this year and signed/drafted heavy in need areas to vastly improve but they improved to top 2 and we improved to top 6.
We both draft a ton of defensive players for UGA but they have Carter and Davis and Dean and Smith and we have Wyatt and Walker and Stokes.
We both limit big plays on defense and produce a ton of explosives on offense.
We both have offenses that hit dry streaks and don't produce to our talent level consistently.
Kraft and Goedert.
We both have inconsistent kickers but ours missed a 3-pointer and theirs missed a 1-pointer
Their top 2 WRs are better than our top two WRs but we both spread the ball around to a variety of offensive weapons.
This is good because it shows we have keyed into a winning formula. It's bad because someone else is doing it better. It's good because a lot of our players aren't maxed out and may still improve these comparisons.
It just felt like two very similar teams who played two competitive games and each time they just produced a little more, a little better, on enough different areas to just be consistently a step ahead.
I agree with a lot of the comments made by Texas and Labrev and some of lupe's in the other thread. No need to re-hash. But it was interesting watching that game and seeing how much of our road here resembled theirs
Go back and look at that play again, Yoop. Nixon never lowered his head. He got hit in the face from a helmet and fell backwards. I'd love to know how you feel he could have avoided that type of hit. If this was a NCAA game the Philly player would have been flagged for targeting. If he wasn't hit in the face like that he doesn't fumble either IMO. The officiating on that entire play was a bad joke. I do agree he never should have came out with the ball in that spot.
I think we are looking at two separate views or camera angles, the 2nd video from this link from X shows Nixon just before the hit lower his crown of helmet into the hit, I agree had he not done that the refs may have called a penalty, either way they should have given him the recovery.
I'm glad you showed me this. I suppose the way he fell backwards I assumed he was hit in the face. Perhaps he lowered his head to brace himself for the incoming hit? But the Philly player leading with his helmet is not without guilt either. The league professes to want to eliminate these types of actions but what can they call when both players do this?
I'm with you big time about the none recovery! Nixon recovered his fumble and should have been down by contact and play over. For some reason the zebras let the scrum commence and we got screwed.
I'am Glad the linked video loaded for you Pugger, I'am not very good at this, last night I replayed my recording of the game, originally, like you I thought it was helmet to Helmet initiated by ex Packer Oren Burks on Nixon, but no, as the vid shows at the last instant, and as you suggest Nixon braced for the hit and in that process lowered his helmet, then the refs finished that off by giving Philly the ball, if only Nixon had let it go dead in the EZ and out to the 30, that was a gut punch to start the game, ouch
I think we are looking at two separate views or camera angles, the 2nd video from this link from X shows Nixon just before the hit lower his crown of helmet into the hit, I agree had he not done that the refs may have called a penalty, either way they should have given him the recovery.
I'm glad you showed me this. I suppose the way he fell backwards I assumed he was hit in the face. Perhaps he lowered his head to brace himself for the incoming hit? But the Philly player leading with his helmet is not without guilt either. The league professes to want to eliminate these types of actions but what can they call when both players do this?
I'm with you big time about the none recovery! Nixon recovered his fumble and should have been down by contact and play over. For some reason the zebras let the scrum commence and we got screwed.
I'am Glad the linked video loaded for you Pugger, I'am not very good at this, last night I replayed my recording of the game, originally, like you I thought it was helmet to Helmet initiated by ex Packer Oren Burks on Nixon, but no, as the vid shows at the last instant, and as you suggest Nixon braced for the hit and in that process lowered his helmet, then the refs finished that off by giving Philly the ball, if only Nixon had let it go dead in the EZ and out to the 30, that was a gut punch to start the game, ouch
I'm glad you showed me this. I suppose the way he fell backwards I assumed he was hit in the face. Perhaps he lowered his head to brace himself for the incoming hit? But the Philly player leading with his helmet is not without guilt either. The league professes to want to eliminate these types of actions but what can they call when both players do this?
I'm with you big time about the none recovery! Nixon recovered his fumble and should have been down by contact and play over. For some reason the zebras let the scrum commence and we got screwed.
I'am Glad the linked video loaded for you Pugger, I'am not very good at this, last night I replayed my recording of the game, originally, like you I thought it was helmet to Helmet initiated by ex Packer Oren Burks on Nixon, but no, as the vid shows at the last instant, and as you suggest Nixon braced for the hit and in that process lowered his helmet, then the refs finished that off by giving Philly the ball, if only Nixon had let it go dead in the EZ and out to the 30, that was a gut punch to start the game, ouch
That was Burks??
yes, that cast off came to play, seeking a bit of revenge I'am sure, and again as we know he went into that head first, I'am thinking if Keason simply keeps his face up we could have gotten a leading with the helmet penalty, but alas nothing about that play worked out for us.
Add the need for another interior lineman to the draft.
Tom to C and Morgan RT? Seems Tom got exposed a little at RT.
I don't think that Tom was "exposed" like you suggest. I just think that he wasn't fully prepared. And, no doubt he played against top caliber defense. Once or twice he was simply flat footed. Another time he was simply beat. But he didn't play a bad game. Just put his couple of failures together with his line mates' bad plays and it was a lot to overcome.
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Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
It's got a lot of "good enough" and not a lot of great
But I'm not going to let Zach Tom's worst performance taint my opinion of him as a player. He is a really really good NFL OT. I think the interior needs a revamp where Jenkins is no longer the best/only reliable option inside.
Watching the game I couldn't help but feel like the two teams had a TON in common but we're just slightly behind them in most measures, which was disheartening.
Like, we both paid veteran RBs with both size and athleticism to be more physical and domineering in the run game. But they had the best in the league and we had like the 3rd or 4th best.
We both thrive with strong OL play but they had one of the 2-3 best in the league and we had one of the 5-6 best in the league.
We both changed our defensive scheme this year and signed/drafted heavy in need areas to vastly improve but they improved to top 2 and we improved to top 6.
We both draft a ton of defensive players for UGA but they have Carter and Davis and Dean and Smith and we have Wyatt and Walker and Stokes.
We both limit big plays on defense and produce a ton of explosives on offense.
We both have offenses that hit dry streaks and don't produce to our talent level consistently.
Kraft and Goedert.
We both have inconsistent kickers but ours missed a 3-pointer and theirs missed a 1-pointer
Their top 2 WRs are better than our top two WRs but we both spread the ball around to a variety of offensive weapons.
This is good because it shows we have keyed into a winning formula. It's bad because someone else is doing it better. It's good because a lot of our players aren't maxed out and may still improve these comparisons.
It just felt like two very similar teams who played two competitive games and each time they just produced a little more, a little better, on enough different areas to just be consistently a step ahead.
I agree with a lot of the comments made by Texas and Labrev and some of lupe's in the other thread. No need to re-hash. But it was interesting watching that game and seeing how much of our road here resembled theirs
Their lines are much more stout than ours. Losing Jenkins really hurt. I believe this game was lost in the trenches (along with killer turnovers). These 2 areas must be better if want to take the next step.
He got hit in the face with the helmet of the Eagle's player. I'm surprised he didn't get a concussion. IMO Philly should have been penalized for hitting a defenseless player for 15 yards. Instead they are rewarded the ball after Nixon recovered it. We got royally screwed on that play and we never really recovered from it.
that's why the refs didn't call it, what made it worse was the terrible call not to give Nixon the recovery though, plan to see he had control of that fumble
